Do you own your body?

[adrina]

The Nebraska Governor is on record that rape victims MUST CARRY the child to birth because it was God's Will. Well Republicans...understand...what goes around comes around. Our actions will be also considered God's Will.

And Texas is in the process of reviewing the exceptions for the life of the mother to tighten them.

 

[icanhelp1]

Pregnancy is hard child bearing is hard. You're minimizing what it is and trashing women in the process....and somehow believe you're holding some moral high ground. That's laughable
The people getting abortions aren't the people you think are getting them

The Nebraska Governor is on record that rape victims MUST CARRY the child to birth because it was God's Will. Well Republicans...understand...what goes around comes around. Our actions will be also considered God's Will.

That governor's attempt I'm sure will be struck down just on medical and psychological reasons. People say shit all the time, it doesn't mean they can do it.

 

[Vetteman]

The Nebraska Governor is on record that rape victims MUST CARRY the child to birth because it was God's Will. Well Republicans...understand...what goes around comes around. Our actions will be also considered God's Will.


That governor's attempt I'm sure will be struck down just on medical and psychological reasons. People say shit all the time, it doesn't mean they can do it.

The governor is right. Women shouldn’t be allowed to go out and have sex just because they want to and then not have to deal with the aftermath.

 

[adrina]

The Nebraska Governor is on record that rape victims MUST CARRY the child to birth because it was God's Will. Well Republicans...understand...what goes around comes around. Our actions will be also considered God's Will.


That governor's attempt I'm sure will be struck down just on medical and psychological reasons. People say shit all the time, it doesn't mean they can do it.

How fucking quaint, liar.

As states across the country prepare for the likely overturning of Roe v. Wade in June, attention has shifted to the forthcoming efforts to outlaw abortion in Republican-controlled states. And, despite the unpopularity of such measures, it seems that many red states are planning to ban abortion without any exceptions for rape or incest.
Of the 22 states with abortion bans that will instantly take effect if the landmark Supreme Court ruling is overturned, 10 have passed laws that make no exceptions for rape or incest: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.

one hell of an ugly yahoo url link

 

[jomar]

The shithead liberals will never understand this. If a woman is pregnant it’s only because she wanted to get pregnant. If she didn’t want to be pregnant she would have shut her reproductive system off.

hear, hear! And if a woman gets raped she should just lay back and enjoy it!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

All of the anti abortion legislation - especially in the past 50 years since Roe - hasn't been based on medical science. It's been based on hysteria and lies. I'm going to call you out on that bullshit and for the liar you are.

You can say look towards precedent but oddly all the ones you point to came after Roe.

All of this rationalization and not one word, not one bit of reasoning in law which allows a right to a fetus which NO PERSON has.

You are the one who asked for examples of abortion law precedent. It pointed out 200 years of legislative and judicial precedent, including Roe and Casey.

Now you have pivoted to whether or not past, present, or future laws are based on medical science. There is little to no debate over how pregnancy occurs or the stages of pregnancy. Nor is there debate over how various forms of contraception work.

For the most part, abortion policy and debate is driven by moral, ethical, and legal questions. Given the science, lawmakers must decide what should public policy be. Lawmakers in different states (and countries for that matter) have reached different conclusions.

The weakness of your arguments are reflected in your near-singular reliance on name calling and insults.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Since so far as I know, you don't sit in any legislature, your position is not determinative. The democratic process is tainted by gerrymandering, money and the power of incumbency and very often reflects minority interests. Without court checks, some states will jail women for getting or trying to get abortions, including by ordering pills from places where it is perfectly legal. For God's sake Missouri wants to criminalize travelling to other states (perhaps other countries as well) to get an abortion. Just think of the intrusion and massive over-reach of state power. Troopers at the Mississippi bridges, "Why did you travel to Illinois, ma'am?" Opening mail from other states and countries to see if there are abortion pills inside.

That you hope or believe that won't happen is immaterial. The decision you support provides literally zero protection against that. Zero.

Like it or not, our democratic institutions are what we have to work with. Sorry.

 

[icanhelp1]

The governor is right. Women shouldn’t be allowed to go out and have sex just because they want to and then not have to deal with the aftermath.

Getting raped is a crime of sexual assault and battery, your comment is ridiculous. The governor is showing the lack of empathy and judgement.

 

[_mattycatfish]

The governor is right. Women shouldn’t be allowed to go out and have sex just because they want to and then not have to deal with the aftermath.

Do you understand what rape is?

 

[adrina]

You are the one who asked for examples of abortion law precedent. It pointed out 200 years of legislative and judicial precedent, including Roe and Casey.

Now you have pivoted to whether or not past, present, or future laws are based on medical science. There is little to no debate over how pregnancy occurs or the stages of pregnancy. Nor is there debate over how various forms of contraception work.

For the most part, abortion policy and debate is driven by moral, ethical, and legal questions. Given the science, lawmakers must decide what should public policy be. Lawmakers in different states (and countries for that matter) have reached different conclusions.

The weakness of your arguments are reflected in your near-singular reliance on name calling and insults.

The laws against abortion originated as a movement by male doctors to ostracize and displace midwives. It was not about safety or life. Just like it isn't now.

They are guided by hysteria and lies. That's all. Don't lie more.

You are a liar. If you don't want to be called a liar, then quit lying. If you don't like being called a liar, too bad.

Anti abortion fanatics are liars. Always have been, always will be.

Again, you will support a national ban. Don't fucking lie.

 

[windar]

Like it or not, our democratic institutions are what we have to work with. Sorry.

They tolerated slavery for a few centuries. It's likely Jim Crow laws would still be in place if left to red state legislatures. No, we have to do better than that.

Someone at "National Review" (the name escapes me for the moment) wrote recently that liberals shouldn't get so exercised. because if Roe were overturned the US would have abortion laws like France, where abortions are legal in the first trimester and have gradually increasing restrictions after that. Well, name me a single US state that will have such laws in place at the end of June. There are none. Also in France, abortions are paid for by the Securite Sociale and so income isn't a barrier to getting one as it is here.

 

[windar]

The laws against abortion originated as a movement by male doctors to ostracize and displace midwives. It was not about safety or life. Just like it isn't now.

That is true. And taking the 19th century as the origin point is a bit rich. Prior to that, abortion was tolerated until the "quickening" which is somewhere late in the second trimester. That was true under English Common Law and in the US at the time the Constitution was ratified. So, if one is an "originalist", then that should be taken as what the Framers envisioned as far as abortion. They didn't need to put that in the Constitution, because that was the accepted practice at the time.

 

[windar]

Okay, well, I would point out that the woman's body MADE the fetus.

Not true. The man ejaculates mini homunculi into the woman. This is known fact with strong historical background, much stronger and older than abortion laws...

 

[ll74]

The Nebraska Governor is on record that rape victims MUST CARRY the child to birth because it was God's Will. Well Republicans...understand...what goes around comes around. Our actions will be also considered God's Will.


That governor's attempt I'm sure will be struck down just on medical and psychological reasons. People say shit all the time, it doesn't mean they can do it.

Nothing is a "I'm sure" situation when extremists are in government (and they are)

 

[adrina]

That is true. And taking the 19th century as the origin point is a bit rich. Prior to that, abortion was tolerated until the "quickening" which is somewhere late in the second trimester. That was true under English Common Law and in the US at the time the Constitution was ratified. So, if one is an "originalist", then that should be taken as what the Framers envisioned as far as abortion. They didn't need to put that in the Constitution, because that was the accepted practice at the time.

There can be zero expectation of honesty from anyone in the anti-abortion camp. None. I hate to be the broken record but this is the reality.

They have 8 million excuses - all of them based on lies - to try to foist their fanaticism down our throats. Whether it's the safety of the procedure (TRAP laws), the psychological welfare of the pregnant woman (those fake taxpayer funded propaganda clinics), the health of the woman (remember when they tried telling us abortion and cancer were linked), to the supposed "personhood" rights of the fetus (as they try to give a fetus rights which no person has) and now to states rights (which they have already said they are going for a national ban.)

At every step, at every stage, at every turn these motherfuckers lie. They don't care about truth - only their ability to control.

 

[schism666]

 

[schism666]

 

[icanhelp1]

Nothing is a "I'm sure" situation when extremists are in government (and they are)

Well, unless what the governor is implying is codified in the state constitution I guess the governor can hold its hand on his/her ass till the cows come home, it goes before the state legislators and the people first. Calling a state's majority vote extremist is contradictory.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Do you understand what rape is?

I understand that rape shouldn't be a serious part of the conversation.

 

[_mattycatfish]

I understand that rape shouldn't be a serious part of the conversation.

Why not?

i Assume your position is that choice should be baked in. I don’t disagree. But I don’t understand why you’d damage your position with people that do by ignoring the fact that abortion isn’t just lazy birth control.

 

[windar]

Interesting how many of the states that are putting in restrictive abortion laws have the highest infant mortality rates https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

It seems that "pro-life" ends at birth...

 

[ll74]

Well, unless what the governor is implying is codified in the state constitution I guess the governor can hold its hand on his/her ass till the cows come home, it goes before the state legislators and the people first. Calling a state's majority vote extremist is contradictory.

Yes, which is the reason it should be codified at the national level

 

[ll74]

Okay, well, I would point out that the woman's body MADE the fetus.

If you don't give consent to have a fetus in your body, then don't fucking MAKE a fetus in your body.

Do you know the number of ways where a woman "makes a fetus" that aren't her choice?

Fuck off.

 

[ll74]

The shithead liberals will never understand this. If a woman is pregnant it’s only because she wanted to get pregnant. If she didn’t want to be pregnant she would have shut her reproductive system off.

Maybe talk to a woman about their choices in the matter

Then maybe talk to a woman who needs an abortion for an intended pregnancy.

Jfc, you fucking dipshits can't see outside your religious bullshit to actually understand the multitude of different reasons a woman seels an abortion

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

hear, hear! And if a woman gets raped she should just lay back and enjoy it!

Well yeah. Not sure I get your point.