Levels of consent

[Comshaw]

Yes, and the fig leaf matters to the companies, mostly supposedly because it matters to the credit card companies and other payment processors. The same way, I guess, that the fig leaf of pretending that the schools are still full of eighteen year-old virgins matters to the owners of lit.

I saw a video last year that was funny, I think intentionally so, in that it featured an Australian performer who was possibly younger than the guy she was showering with and who was supposed to be her son. He kept calling her "Mom" and then alternating that with protests like "It's okay, you're my stepmother," and she responded with some eyerolling and "Oh, yeah. Stepmother. Right."

The above highlighted. I'm a member of another site (listed by Lit on the front page BTW) that has a whole list of words you can't use. Art's (the site owner) explanation is that the CC companies require the removal of such words or they will refuse to honor any charges from that site. It's all about the $.

 

[Auden James]

I'm not sure I fully understand to OP's question: Are you asking whether it is okay to write erotica which features nonconsensual sex? Or if writers on here ever stop themselves when they realize that they are veering into that direction in their current writing?

However that might be, I'd like to know if other story sites similar to this one are equally restrictive when it comes to nonconsensual sex? Is there anyone here who could answer this question?

 

[windar]

I'm not sure I fully understand to OP's question: Are you asking whether it is okay to write erotica which features nonconsensual sex? Or if writers on here ever stop themselves when they realize that they are veering into that direction in their current writing?

However that might be, I'd like to know if other story sites similar to this one are equally restrictive when it comes to nonconsensual sex? Is there anyone here who could answer this question?

They run the gamut from totally banned to anything goes...

As for whether it's OK, is it OK to write about murders? Does Dame Agatha Christie need to posthumously give back her knighthood? It's fiction; we should worry about what is happening to real living human beings not imaginary creations. JMO...

 

[SimonDoom]

They run the gamut from totally banned to anything goes...

As for whether it's OK, is it OK to write about murders? Does Dame Agatha Christie need to posthumously give back her knighthood? It's fiction; we should worry about what is happening to real living human beings not imaginary creations. JMO...

My feeling exactly. I'm regularly astonished by how much hand-wringing there is here in this forum. This is fiction, folks. It's fantasy. Have fun, and let others have their fun, even if their idea of fun is different from yours. Are there any negative consequences of any of this? I have no idea, and I doubt anyone else does either. There's no sense in fretting about harm that is totally speculative.

 

[Fantastic_Raven]

Relative newbie here, but my published story here relates to this topic, so... I think the line is in whether or not the participants, looking back later on, could think of it as sexy and positive. Lots of women irl love having little control in sex, albeit only with trusted partners. Here, you can get away with more as long as "retroactive consent" (which doesn't exist in reality, but again, this is fiction) can be inferred.

 

[TadOverdon]

My feeling exactly. I'm regularly astonished by how much hand-wringing there is here in this forum. This is fiction, folks...

People think about things sometimes

 

[Agiel]

This'll give you an idea.

https://www.literotica.com/s/together-ssn-02-ch-05-cum-dumpster

Level of consent has always been of interest of mine since I had a story refused some years ago because I mentioned the word rape. It was published without hesitation when I changed it to sexually violated. Subsequently, although the story scored high, I was so annoyed I had the story deleted.

Out of interest I looked up the story linked by XerXesXu. Submitted 12 days ago and extremely badly written (I can’t understand how it got through the vetting process on that alone) but hopefully the writer will improve with age. They’ve had 23 stories submitted in the last 3 months all of which seem to have been rated by readers as average which has been very generous of them.

My point is that it highlights one of the many criticisms of this site that Lovecraft68 bangs on about. The inconsistency regarding the application of the rules set by the site.

The story is about a gang rape of an innocent young woman who, as a result of the rape, loses the baby. After raping her they throw her in a dumpster. How did this story get through? Presumably because the word rape wasn’t used. “Sexually assaulted” and “the incident” are how it’s referred to.

It’s a harrowing tale of an attack, and the effects, on a woman which would, in real life, have people calling for the perpetrators to have their dicks chopped off. Pity it wasn’t written by someone better and with none of the awful inaccuracies, such as the police response, with which it’s riddled.

I’ll now hand the ranting baton back to LC.

 

[Agiel]

Here, you can get away with more as long as "retroactive consent" (which doesn't exist in reality, but again, this is fiction) can be inferred.

“Retroactive consent” is a get out by the site owners which is ridiculous, ruins the idea of the story, and just makes the story silly.

All the stories on here are fantasy (aren’t they?) and writers circumvent them accidentally and sometimes deliberately and cleverly. So what’s the point of having a rule which is randomly enforced but which even then can be got round easily.

 

[KeithD]

“Retroactive consent” is a get out by the site owners which is ridiculous, ruins the idea of the story, and just makes the story silly.

All the stories on here are fantasy (aren’t they?) and writers circumvent them accidentally and sometimes deliberately and cleverly. So what’s the point of having a rule which is randomly enforced but which even then can be got round easily.

Trust you are PMing this to Laurel, because there isn't single poster on the discussion board that can give you relief on this overandoverandoverandover again whine. And most of us wouldn't follow the required formula if it wasn't required.

 

[windar]

“Retroactive consent” is a get out by the site owners which is ridiculous, ruins the idea of the story, and just makes the story silly.

All the stories on here are fantasy (aren’t they?) and writers circumvent them accidentally and sometimes deliberately and cleverly. So what’s the point of having a rule which is randomly enforced but which even then can be got round easily.

I did a whole thread on this topic and got flamed for it https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-rules-on-non-consent-here-are-frankly-ridiculous.1560123/

"It's Laurel's site, she can do as she wishes". Legally, sure. Legally, we can also complain about it and ridicule what is clearly ridiculous. When stories that have been on pay sites that have to satisfy credit card companies with not a single complaint can't go on a free site that literally advertises as being uncensored (Yes, I got a pop-up on another site claiming that very thing) then something is wrong.

Having rules and then having clever ways to get around them (which I found and actually profited from) is simply ridiculous by any definition of that word. Now flame me and see if I care.

 

[AlinaX]

 

[windar]

 

[Agiel]

Trust you are PMing this to Laurel, because there isn't single poster on the discussion board that can give you relief on this overandoverandoverandover again whine. And most of us wouldn't follow the required formula if it wasn't required.

Okay.

 

[Agiel]

I did a whole thread on this topic and got flamed for it https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-rules-on-non-consent-here-are-frankly-ridiculous.1560123/
Having rules and then having clever ways to get around them (which I found and actually profited from) is simply ridiculous by any definition of that word. Now flame me and see if I care.

It’s just like in real life. “I’m the boss and if you don’t like my rules then go find another job.” Whether you agree or not it is, as has been said many times before, up to the site owner what rules she introduces and how she interprets them. It’s not as if anyone has to pay a fee to upload their stories.

 

[KeithD]

The point is that the other users have nothing to do with this and this whining goes on incessantly. Could you two just stop flaming the other board users irrelevantly about it? Your kick is with Laurel. She shows little evidence of reading the discussion board--or in caring what the users wish, for that matter. And this has nothing to do with the other users of the board other than making them grind their teeth over the tediousness of it all.

 

[windar]

It’s just like in real life. “I’m the boss and if you don’t like my rules then go find another job.” Whether you agree or not it is, as has been said many times before, up to the site owner what rules she introduces and how she interprets them. It’s not as if anyone has to pay a fee to upload their stories.

You can't fire me, I quit!

The fact is that without the authors, this site is a bunch of cam girls and a sex toy store that has nothing you can't get a hundred other places. Without this site, all the authors can find plenty of other places to post.

By the way, Keith D, I'm ignoring you, but obviously you feel a need to engage..Warms my heart....

 

[AlinaX]

~ Checks definition of 'ignoring'... ~

 

[SimonDoom]

Now flame me and see if I care.

I'm not going to flame you. You have a right to your opinion. You state it well. it makes some sense. But I don't agree with it.

I think this Site's approach to nonconsent makes perfect sense and is just hunky-dory to me. I don't care. I don't think it's a big issue. I lose no sleep about it.

It's a rule that has its weird wrinkles and invariably results in inconsistent applications. And I don't care, whatsoever. I think people get way too wrapped around the axle here about inconsistency, whether it concerns nonconsent, or underage, or whatever. None of it has ever gotten in the way of my being able to write stories and have fun and connect with readers. If I wanted to write underage or snuff or bestiality stories, there are places I could go for that. I don't, so I stay here.

This is an erotic story website run by two people, with their own opinions about what they do and do not want to publish. There is no right or wrong. I don't understand the sense of injustice. Anybody who doesn't like it can go somewhere else.

 

[windar]

~ Checks definition of 'ignoring'... ~

I can see that he's posting. Are you quite OK? You seem to be afflicted with defendlaurelatallcostsitis.

 

[windar]

If I wanted to write underage or snuff or bestiality stories, there are places I could go for that. I don't, so I stay here.

I don't write any of those.

This is an erotic story website run by two people

I am aware of that. What difference does that make?

 

[AlinaX]

I can see that he's posting. Are you quite OK? You seem to be afflicted with defendlaurelatallcostsitis.

You are a tiresome fellow. No one is defending Laurel, merely pointing out that she's in charge and that's that, so why are you so determined to tilt at windmills?

 

[windar]

No one is defending Laurel, merely pointing out that she's in charge and that's that, so why are you so determined to tilt at windmills?

Don Quixote is remembered centuries later. People who shrug and say, someone else is in charge rarely are...

Anyway, who cares? If you're content posting here so that your wonderful Laurel can make money from camgirls and not give you a share, go right ahead...

 

[AlinaX]

Content? It's my kink.

 

[SimonDoom]

Don Quixote is remembered centuries later. People who shrug and say, someone else is in charge rarely are...

Remembered, but not admired. He is a comical and pathetic figure, famous for fighting battles that could not be won, and that did not need to be fought.

If you feel like there are stories you want to write that Literotica doesn't want to publish, you can go elsewhere to publish them.

 

[NotWise]

Remembered, but not admired. He is a comical and pathetic figure, famous for fighting battles that could not be won, and that did not need to be fought.

If you feel like there are stories you want to write that Literotica doesn't want to publish, you can go elsewhere to publish them.

I think he wants attention and found that annoying people is the way to get it.