Equal Rights Amendment

[pecksniff]

Boy, this takes you back -- I can hear the disco playing!

Three Republican senators are calling on the Archivist of the United States David Ferriero to commit to not certifying the Equal Rights Amendment as part of the Constitution, as ERA advocates demand Ferriero publish the amendment before he retires.

In a letter dated February 8, Sens. Rob Portman of Ohio, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Mitt Romney of Utah wrote to Ferriero, seeking his "reassurance" that he won't act on the ERA "until it has been properly ratified and legal questions regarding such ratification have been resolved."

Backers of the ERA have been pressuring Ferriero, who's set to leave office in April, to publish the ERA as the 28th Amendment to the Constitution as part of his ministerial duties, arguing that it has satisfied all the necessary constitutional requirements and in fact took effect last month. However, key legal questions remain unresolved such as whether states can rescind ratifications of an amendment and if Congress has the power to lift a deadline retroactively.

"In light of the calls for you to disregard your duty and certify the ERA, we write to ask for your commitment that you, and the acting Archivist who will take over in April, will not certify or publish the ERA," the Republican senators wrote to Ferriero, arguing that the ERA has "failed to achieve ratification by the states and is no longer pending before them."

Gimme some cocaine! No, not that rock, the powder kind! Are the lapels on my leisure suit wide enough?

 

[GothTalk]

We already have equal rights though.

14th amendment already covered this.

 

[pecksniff]

We already have equal rights though.

14th amendment already covered this.

Doesn't mention sex. Women couldn't even vote when the 14A was enacted, nor for some decades after.

 

[GothTalk]

Doesn't mention sex. Women couldn't even vote when the 14A was enacted, nor for some decades after.

It doesn't have to.... citizens and persons include women.

The ERA is a redundant virtue derp by idiots who don't have a fucking clue what they are doing.

 

[pecksniff]

It doesn't have to.... citizens and persons include women.

The ERA is a redundant virtue derp by idiots who don't have a fucking clue what they are doing.

The courts do not interpret the 14A to forbid sex discrimination like it forbids racial discrimination. The ERA could open the door to pay equity for women.

Of course, in the 1970s, hardly anybody had heard of transgenderism. If the ERA becomes part of the Constitution now, there will be a whole slew of litigation about what it means by "sex."

 

[YDB95]

Keep in mind, too, that much of the opposition to ERA was driven by (totally baseless) fear of unisex bathrooms. If it heats up again, that dovetails all too well with the anti-trans-rights push of the moment. There were also concerns about women being subject to the draft. Nowadays, of course, there hasn't been a draft in almost 50 years, plus the military is a LOT more open to women than it was in the '70s.

 

[pecksniff]

And, of course, Phyllis Schlafly is dead now, thank Og.

But her son Andrew . . .

 

[YDB95]

And, of course, Phyllis Schlafly is dead now, thank Og.

To be honest, I wish she were around to see her crusade just might fail after all.
But then, I suspect she is now in a place where equal rights are the law of the land...

 

[BidudeinWi]

Boy, this takes you back -- I can hear the disco playing!



Gimme some cocaine! No, not that rock, the powder kind! Are the lapels on my leisure suit wide enough?

Pray that this never passes. The legislation doesn’t say it now, but SCOTUS will be forced to rule that MEN, (Egaads!) have an EQUAL say, in the life of a child that has not yet been born. If not, there is NO “equal””,” and the entire thing fails!! Hehehehe! Can’t wait! Dipshit LibFucks!

 

[pecksniff]

Schlafly on the ERA:

In a ten-year battle, Schlafly led the "pro-family" movement to victory over the Equal Rights Amendment, the principal legislative goal of feminists at the time. Recreating that pivotal moment, "[Schlafly], looking crisp and composed in a red shirtwaist dress, red-white-and-blue scarf and frosted hair, arrived at the Illinois capitol with 500 followers. To symbolize their opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment, which was about to be voted on in the House, the women had brought loaves of home-baked bread—apricot, date nut, honey-bran and pumpkin. But as she climbed onto a kitchen stool to address the cheering crowd, Schlafly the demure housewife turned into Schlafly the aggressive polemicist. The passage of ERA, she declared, would mean Government-funded abortions, homosexual schoolteachers, women "forced" into military combat, men refusing to support their wives, and unisex bathrooms."[9]

Of course we do have homosexual schoolteachers now -- and did in the 1970s. Government-funded abortions are no-brainer unobjectionable, but persistently blocked by no-brain objectors, and that won't change if the ERA is adopted. Nobody is forced into combat any more. Wives often earn more than their husbands. And feminists don't even want unisex bathrooms, that I've heard of.

I once noticed, at a nudist camp, that the restrooms were screened from public view and segregated by sex. There are some things not even nudists want to do with the opposite sex watching.

 

[GothTalk]

The courts do not interpret the 14A to forbid sex discrimination like it forbids racial discrimination.

How many decades did you have to get a case where the court excluded women from being citizens and people???

My wife just got her citizenship a couple years back, that kinda shits all over this almost certain lie.

The ERA could open the door to pay equity for women.

Nothing can open the door to pay equity, for anyone.

You can have equality, and we do, but not equity.

Of course, in the 1970s, hardly anybody had heard of transgenderism. If the ERA becomes part of the Constitution now, there will be a whole slew of litigation about what it means by "sex."

Yes we get that leftist want to legally challenge objective reality and deny science.

But equal rights is already a thing. So good luck with the science denial and fantasy pay.

 

[pecksniff]

Nothing can open the door to pay equity, for anyone.

You can have equality, and we do, but not equity.

Regardless of the terminology, there is a gender pay gap in the United States, and the ERA might put an end to that.

 

[GothTalk]

Regardless of the terminology, there is a gender pay gap in the United States, and the ERA might put an end to that.

No, there is an earning gap.

Big fucking difference.

ERA isn't putting an end to women working fewer hours in lower risk, more comfortable jobs that pay less.

 

[PaxNurgle]

It doesn't have to.... citizens and persons include women.

The ERA is a redundant virtue derp by idiots who don't have a fucking clue what they are doing.

Holy fuck, this is ignorant even by your abysmally low standards. Do you even believe half of the bullshit you post? Women did not gain the right to vote until the early 20th century. Read your history books. (or don't, because you will probably just get mad and think reading about history is "Indoctrination," in your petty little mind.) And so, what, the ERA is "Redundant Virtue Derp? So what, you don't want equal rights for women? Then move to fucking Saudi Arabia then. Jeez.

Its so hard to have a respectable and adult discussion on here when I have to wade through garbage like these kind of posts. I'm almost sinking down to their level sometimes.

 

[GothTalk]

Holy fuck, this is ignorant even by your abysmally low standards.

What ignorance???

Do you even believe half of the bullshit you post?

100%... where am I wrong??

Women did not gain the right to vote until the early 20th century. Read your history books. (or don't, because you will probably just get mad and think reading about history is "Indoctrination," in your petty little mind.)

Yea, so??

That doesn't mean 14A doesn't already guarantee equal rights.... which everyone has now.

And so, what, the ERA is "Redundant Virtue Derp?

In case you haven't realized it yet, it's not 1900 anymore!!!

And yea, 100% redundant.

What rights do women not have that men do??

So what, you don't want equal rights for women?

Of course I do... and they have them.

Have for quite some time!..... welcome to not 1950 anymore!!!

Its so hard to have a respectable and adult discussion on here when I have to wade through garbage like these kind of posts. I'm almost sinking down to their level sometimes.

You can't even say where I'm wrong, ignorant and you damn sure can't name a single right women don't have that men do.

You're just mad I didn't accept the virtue signal of the ERA for being anything more than that....a virtue signal for something that was done along time ago.

We have equal rights, they are legally protected as such by 14A..... we don't need the equal rights act, we already have equal rights.

 

[Thunderbolt_e]

Regardless of the terminology, there is a gender pay gap in the United States, and the ERA might put an end to that.

As much as I usually disagree with GothTalk, he does have a point this time though, to a certain extent at least.
There really isn't a pay gap for the same amont of job because of gender difference generally.
The employers dont care about gender. If hiring women cost them less and still get the job done, why don't we see more jobs that only open to women?
I don't think it's a good idea to pay people the same regardless of their working output. It's not unfair to pay less if one person works shorter hours and has lower skill set, which are the main reasons why the pay gap exists.
That said, in the US, employers usually keeps the wages of employees secret. And one has to negotiate with the employer individually to get a raise. This may be a factor that do cause unfair pay gaps. There are studies showed that women in general aren't negotiating as aggressively as men. But I doubt Equal Rights Amendment can do anything about this.

 

[Champakian]

PeckerSniffer is right on the issues about as often as Joe Biden is...

 

[bellisarius]

PeckerSniffer is right on the issues about as often as Joe Biden is...

And is just as positive.

The legal issues are very real. First and foremost the ERA is LONG past it's sunset clause. SCOTUS is going to have to render a decision on this.

 

[GothTalk]

That said, in the US, employers usually keeps the wages of employees secret. And one has to negotiate with the employer individually to get a raise.

Yup... yay freedom!!

This may be a factor that do cause unfair pay gaps. There are studies showed that women in general aren't negotiating as aggressively as men. But I doubt Equal Rights Amendment can do anything about this.

Wait let me get this right.

Because women on average are too chicken shit to go negotiate better pay....and men do, that makes the pay unfair??

LMFAO!!!!!

What happened to STRAWNG independent whamenz that don't nee no fuckin' man???

 

[Chernosoth]

Single employed parenting is more work for less money. The government tried to correct that with aid programs, but the result is more single and unemployed parenting. The government can't continue the aid forever. The easy answer is tell the dads to marry the moms, usually while droning on about family values and religious shit. We will eventually find a solution, or watch kids starve. Some of that solution could be kids at work with their parents, such as on farms.

 

[GothTalk]

Single employed parenting is more work for less money.

Parenting is a privilege, not employment.

The government tried to correct that with aid programs, but the result is more single and unemployed parenting.

And lower quality results in adult offspring.

The easy answer is tell the dads to marry the moms, usually while droning on about family values and religious shit. We will eventually find a solution, or watch kids starve. Some of that solution could be kids at work with their parents, such as on farms.

Well, that's the "nicened up" version.

The easy answer is to just let people suffer the consequences of their life choices.

 

[Thunderbolt_e]

Yup... yay freedom!!



Wait let me get this right.

Because women on average are too chicken shit to go negotiate better pay....and men do, that makes the pay unfair??

LMFAO!!!!!

What happened to STRAWNG independent whamenz that don't nee no fuckin' man???

It's a US thing. I don't know the point of negotiating wages individually. Seems only benifit the employer and cause people doing the exactly same job getting paid differently.
In other parts of the world, we usually use a formula that taking into account one's performance, position and other quantifiable factors to determain wage. So without the negotiation, it insures eveybody in the company with the same job and same porfamance get exactly the same pay. Saves the hassle of bargaining. You work harder or move to a higher position, you get paid more, sample as that.

 

[JohnnySavage]

It's a US thing. I don't know the point of negotiating wages individually. Seems only benifit the employer and cause people doing the exactly same job getting paid differently.
In other parts of the world, we usually use a formula that taking into account one's performance, position and other quantifiable factors to determain wage. So without the negotiation, it insures eveybody in the company with the same job and same porfamance get exactly the same pay. Saves the hassle of bargaining. You work harder or move to a higher position, you get paid more, sample as that.

That sounds like one of those tall tales told with a look of smugness, but is completely untrue and told by those in lesser countries trying to look relevant.


I may find some nuggets to put in the Today in Europe thread.

 

[GothTalk]

It's a US thing.

Western "feminist" thing... seen plenty of Canuck/European women who are STRAWNG WAHMENZ!!!! Until it comes time to pull a 90 hour work week in the worst and or most unforgiving/dangerous circumstances.... or take the trash out.... or deal with the bad guy coming in the window.... or....ask for a raise.

I don't know the point of negotiating wages individually.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Seems only benifit the employer and cause people doing the exactly same job getting paid differently.

No, it's often a benefit to skilled labor and management too.

That's just it, most people don't do exactly the same job, even though the titles or profession might be the same.

Why is getting paid differently such a bad thing?? Should employees who do better not make more than the minim requirements fuck who's late 1/2 the time?? Even though they might have the same job title?

In other parts of the world, we usually use a formula that taking into account one's performance, position and other quantifiable factors to determain wage. So without the negotiation, it insures eveybody in the company with the same job and same porfamance get exactly the same pay. Saves the hassle of bargaining. You work harder or move to a higher position, you get paid more, sample as that.

Yes, most of the world prioritizes equity so the shit bags and weenies get the same pay as the movers and hustlers....cuz that's "fair".

In the US we prioritize liberty.

This helps the individual employee.

If I'm the fuckin' man in my department/line/ company etc. and know where to go and who to talk to to get shit done??? Or maybe I develop or get certified in some special skill?? I know that because I've made myself more valuable than the bare minimum folks who punch in and can't wait to punch out, I can go ask for more while the minim effort folks stagnate like minimum effort folks do without the protection of some kind of equity/collectivist (left wing) policy to protect their fee fees by oppressing the go-getters who want more.

 

[Thunderbolt_e]

Why is getting paid differently such a bad thing?? Should employees who do better not make more than the minim requirements fuck who's late 1/2 the time?? Even though they might have the same job title?

Getting paid differently isn't a bad thing, of course those who did their job better should get paid more.
But getting paid differently for exactly the same job performance is unfair. That's my point. For example, the next dude in the office is doing worse than you, but getting better paid because he's better at bargaining HR. And the bargaining skill is completely irrelevant when it comes to doing the actual job. That is a real thing you know. Sure you can try to renegotiate, but then again, it's a hustle.