Biden invites Russia to attack Ukraine

[LupusDei]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...aine-could-come-very-short-notice-2022-01-19/

I understand the sentiment, but sometimes telling truth is seen as a weakness.

I have to employ significant mental gymnastics to see how this could be deterrent -- unfortunately U.S. doesn't employ the confidence at this time for this invitation to be interpreted as elaborate trap.

However, I can only hope Putin takes the obvious advice and concentrate on a limited action. That they may in fact lose.

 

[ll74]

I'm assuming we have had boots on the ground there for quite some time working with Ukrainians where we might give them hell from the inside if they invade.

Hard to tell...Putin is an asshole.

 

[pecksniff]

So, does this mean war?

 

[JohnnySavage]

So, does this mean war?

Absolutely not. You assured us, repeatedly, that Putin would not go to war. Some of your words were even bolded!

 

[bellisarius]

Absolutely not. You assured us, repeatedly, that Putin would not go to war. Some of your words were even bolded!

"Pecker for president."

 

[Dribble]

Biden is weak. But compared to Trump he is a bull. Bottomline....Putin will invade and no one will do anything except some sanctions....

 

[ll74]

Biden is weak. But compared to Trump he is a bull. Bottomline....Putin will invade and no one will do anything except some sanctions....

NATO's reaction to the annexation in 2014 really set up a lot of this. A country, the economic size of Portugal, is wanting to get noticed.....NATO (and specifically the US) needs to put them in their place.

 

[coati]

Biden is weak. But compared to Trump he is a bull. Bottomline....Putin will invade and no one will do anything except some sanctions....

Yes, policy-wise the only difference between Trump and Biden on Russia is that Trump admires Putin and would suck up to him before and after appeasement.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Biden is weak. But compared to Trump he is a bull. Bottomline....Putin will invade and no one will do anything except some sanctions....

Biden has done nothing but capitulate to Putin. From doing all he can to prop up oil prices to the Nord Stream II pipeline and now green-lighting Putin on Ukraine, Biden has been the lapdog that you all accused Trump of being.

 

[coati]

Biden has done nothing but capitulate to Putin. From doing all he can to prop up oil prices to the Nord Stream II pipeline and now green-lighting Putin on Ukraine, Biden has been the lapdog that you all accused Trump of being.

No, Biden is as unwilling as Trump was to engage in war with Russia or to even sacrifice fossil fuel pipelines to Europe. No difference there.

The difference is Trump actually admired and sucked up to Putin. It's one thing to appease, and another thing to be a lap-poodle who likes that Putin said some nice things about Trump. Appeasement reflects the weak negotiating position of the U.S. in the context of European desires for fossil fuel. Being a lap poodle is simply one corrupt autocrat sucking up to another.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

No, Biden is as unwilling as Trump was to engage in war with Russia or to even sacrifice fossil fuel pipelines to Europe. No difference there.

The difference is Trump actually admired and sucked up to Putin. It's one thing to appease, and another thing to be a lap-poodle who likes that Putin said some nice things about Trump. Appeasement reflects the weak negotiating position of the U.S. in the context of European desires for fossil fuel. Being a lap poodle is simply one corrupt autocrat sucking up to another.

You need to go dust off your copy of "The Prince."

As Walter Russell Mead noted:

If Trump were the Manchurian candidate that people keep wanting to believe that he is, here are some of the things he’d be doing:

Limiting fracking as much as he possibly could
Blocking oil and gas pipelines
Opening negotiations for major nuclear arms reductions
Cutting U.S. military spending
Trying to tamp down tensions with Russia’s ally Iran.

He did none of those. You know who did most? Biden.

 

[Rightguide]

Joe Biden, the weakest of American Presidents, seemingly gave the Russians a green light to move into Ukraine, leaving Putin to define the word "minor."

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Joe Biden, the weakest of American Presidents, seemingly gave the Russians a green light to move into Ukraine, leaving Putin to define the word "minor."

Maybe we have Gropey Joe all wrong. Maybe he said "minor incursion" thinking about taking another shower with Ashley.

 

[SugarDaddy1]

Ukrainian officials 'stunned' by Biden's weak response on Russia

Later in the news conference, the president strangely predicted that Russian President Vladimir Putin "will move in" because "he has to do something."

In response to Biden's remarks Wednesday, CNN senior intelligence correspondent Matthew Chance read directly from his prepared notes to relay that one Ukrainian official was "shocked that President Biden would give a green light to Vladimir Putin in this way."

The two anonymous officials were soon joined in their rebuke of Biden by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba.

In a tweet Thursday morning, Zelensky said, "We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones. I say this as the President of a great power."

Source

 

[pecksniff]

Absolutely not. You assured us, repeatedly, that Putin would not go to war. Some of your words were even bolded!

No, I only wondered why. Seems he already has control of all the Russian-majority parts of Ukraine, including the Crimea, to which Russia does at least have a colorable historic claim (it was part of Russia until Khrushchev, a Ukrainian, transferred it to Ukraine).

 

[Dribble]

Putin will not go to war. He doesn't have to. No one...including the Ukraine military will shoot one bullet. He will simply take it.

 

[Rightguide]

Maybe we have Gropey Joe all wrong. Maybe he said "minor incursion" thinking about taking another shower with Ashley.

Or maybe a minor inclusion.

 

[pecksniff]

Maybe we have Gropey Joe all wrong. Maybe he said "minor incursion" thinking about taking another shower with Ashley.

Biden is no more a pedo than you are.

 

[Rightguide]

Biden is no more a pedo than you are.

He is according to Ashley.

 

[Rightguide]

White House scrambles to clean up Biden gaffe that appeared to signal green light for ‘minor incursion' by Russia into Ukraine
by Jamie McIntyre, Senior Writer | | January 20, 2022 07:27 AM

‘MINOR INCURSION’ — MAJOR GAFFE: In his marathon news conference yesterday, President Joe Biden started out sounding tough on Vladimir Putin should the Russian president order his troops into Ukraine. “He’s never seen sanctions like the ones I promised will be imposed if he moves,” Biden said.

But then, in the next breath, Biden inexplicably seemed to signal that sanctions might not be so bad if Russia doesn’t go too far. “It depends on what it does,” he said. “It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion, and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do.”

Biden went on to say that if “they actually do what they’re capable of doing … invade Ukraine,” it would be a “disaster for Russia” with the U.S. and its allies ready to impose “severe costs and significant harm on Russia and the Russian economy.”

But by then, the “minor incursion” exception had ricocheted around the world and shocked U.S. allies in Europe. CNN’s Matthew Chance, reporting from the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, said that officials there were aghast that Biden seemed to be giving Putin the green light for his “preferred option,” a limited military action to open a land corridor through Ukraine.

Rep. Mike Rogers:

“Let’s be clear, Mr. President: an invasion of another country is an invasion. There is no such thing as a ‘minor incursion’ into another country, especially when Russia already occupies large portions of Ukraine,” Rogers said. “The Biden response has been almost as incoherent and disjointed as the remarks we heard from President Biden tonight.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ht-for-minor-incursion-by-russia-into-ukraine

 

[Rightguide]

If Putin comes across that border it will be Biden's fault, like the Crimean example was Obama's fault.

I think Joe Biden is on the cusp of initiating a nuclear war. He's going to fuck around until Iran gets a nuclear weapon and Israel has to nuke them. Meanwhile, he's going to encourage the Chinese into attacking and occupying Taiwan.

 

[icanhelp1]

If Putin comes across that border it will be Biden's fault, like the Crimean example was Obama's fault.

I think Joe Biden is on the cusp of initiating a nuclear war. He's going to fuck around until Iran gets a nuclear weapon and Israel has to nuke them. Meanwhile, he's going to encourage the Chinese into attacking and occupying Taiwan.

Funny things is is that this Russian debacle that Biden help create was avoidable. If Biden promotes an even more aggressive energy posture including the continuation of the sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, price of oil drops and leaves Putin with a financial dilemma.

Even still if Putin invades it could turn out to be the biggest mistake in Putin's political career, both at home and on the battlefield.

 

[icanhelp1]

If Putin comes across that border it will be Biden's fault, like the Crimean example was Obama's fault.

I think Joe Biden is on the cusp of initiating a nuclear war. He's going to fuck around until Iran gets a nuclear weapon and Israel has to nuke them. Meanwhile, he's going to encourage the Chinese into attacking and occupying Taiwan.

Biden is no George HW Bush.

 

[Rightguide]

Funny things is is that this Russian debacle that Biden help create was avoidable. If Biden promotes an even more aggressive energy poster including the continuation of the sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, price of oil drops and leaves Putin with a financial dilemma.

All he had to do was leave the Trump era sanctions in place and none of this would have happened. The left's hate for Trump and need to erase him from presidential history has endangered the nation and the world.

Even still if Putin invades it could turn out to be the biggest mistake in Putin's political career, both at home and on the battlefield.

True, but if like his incursion into Crimea, an incursion into Ukraine becomes a forgivable matter of fact over time, Putin might be willing to stay the course and trade newfound power and territory for the always short-lived enmity of the craven western elites. We will see.

I'm beginning to sense weakness in the White House for supplying continued lethal aid to Ukraine. Could be wrong. I'm not wrong about this however, despite what the media and the Pentagon tell us, we'd be really hard-pressed to move a force of even 80-to 100,000 combat-ready troops anywhere, as we speak. The last Reforger Exercise we held in Europe was in 1993 and that one was severely reduced in scope compared to those in previous years. We just canceled another big planned exercise with South Korea scheduled for this year. All of our military war planning is based on assumptions the biggest one being that we still know how to fight a major war. Here for your perusal is a list of ten of those assumptions that might help bring sobriety to the subject:

https://warontherocks.com/2018/04/the-u-s-militarys-dangerous-embedded-assumptions/

 

[pecksniff]

If Putin comes across that border it will be Biden's fault, like the Crimean example was Obama's fault.

That was not Obama's fault.