What "liberal" means

[pecksniff]

European liberalism:

Conservative liberalism (= European style liberalism)
It is literally liberalism that values the conservative side of liberalism. Conservative liberalism is generally classified as 'center to center-right', but some are hard-line right-wing. Right-wing conservative liberalism generally inherits the classical liberal philosophy, but centrist conservative liberals partially accept elements of social liberalism.(In this case, it is simply referred to as liberalism in Europe/Australia.) European/Australian liberalism is more like conservative liberalism than social liberalism in modern times.

The following are ideologies derived from Conservative liberalism.

Related Ideologies
Liberal conservatism: This is a centre-right ideology that combines classical liberalism and conservatism. It pursues a moderate form of liberalism based on a conservative philosophy. It is one of the representative conservative political ideologies. The philosophical origin of liberal conservatism is Edmund Burke. In a global context, 'liberal conservatism' is used in a similar sense to what is called moderate conservatism in the United States.
Fiscal conservatism: This is an ideology that opposes the government's excessive fiscal spending and aims for fiscal soundness. Many fiscal conservatives have socially moderate to liberal views. In other parts of the United States, fiscal conservatism has been called liberal economic policy.[5]
American Neoconservatism: Some scholars see American neoconservatism as an idea based on conservative liberalism. The values of private property rights, independent individuals, small governments, and the spread of liberal democracy around the world pursued by neoconservatives in the U.S. clearly have elements to be seen as liberalism in academic sense, albeit right-wing.[6]
Representative people and parties
Raymond Aron
Michael Oakeshott
Angela Merkel
Forza Italia
Silvio Berlusconi - He is classified as a "liberal" in the context of Italian politics. Of course it has nothing to do with what we call a "liberal" in the United States.[note 2]
David Cameron
Lech Wałęsa - Democratic leader who led the independent Solidarity labor Union in Communist Poland.
Liberal Party of Australia
Malcolm Turnbull - He is a member of the party's centrist factionWikipedia.
Danish "Venstre"
FDP.The Liberals - Switzerland's center-right liberal party.
Zac Goldsmith
Andrew Sullivan‎‎
Milton Friedman[7]

American liberalism:

Social liberalism (= U.S. style liberalism)
This is an ideology that focuses more on social justice than on general liberalism. It is an ideology that is simply referred to as liberalism in the United States. The idea of radicalism, a kind of left-wing classical liberalism, can be seen as a moderated form. Social liberals see the market as a power and support a balance of power between the government and the market.

Social liberalism in Europe and Asia means 'center to center-left', but 'center-left to left-wing' social democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are also called "liberal" or "social liberal" in the United States. This is only an American exceptional term, and they are not described as "liberal" outside the United States because they are negative about free trade.

In the United States, left-wing democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is called "Ultra-liberal"(=radical left).[8] In most countries other than the United States, Emmanuel Macron is called "Ultra-liberal"(=radical centrist). In the United States, 'liberal' means 'leftist', but in most countries other than the United States, 'liberal' means 'centrist', so Americans need to understand world politics considering that the concept of 'liberal' is an American exceptional concept and does not exist in other countries.

Representative people and parties
John Stuart Mill
John Maynard Keynes
David Lloyd George‎
U.S. Democratic party
Franklin D. Roosevelt[note 3]
John F. Kennedy
John Rawls
Karl Popper
Justin Trudeau
Mohammad Mossadegh
Robert Biedroń

This is a U.S.-centric board, therefore, the latter sense is what the word means here.

 

[GothTalk]

Britannica > Wiki> Rationalwiki.

liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism

 

[Lazaran]

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Emobo

Soooo predictable

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[GothTalk]

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Emobo

Soooo predictable

JFC

SAD!!!

Laz.... cant refute the facts.

JFC!!!

SAD!!!

 

[YDB95]

Laz.... cant refute the facts.

JFC!!!

SAD!!!

The facts are that the link provided doesn't reflect the outlook you present here at all. Sad indeed!

 

[Lazaran]

The facts are that the link provided doesn't reflect the outlook you present here at all. Sad indeed!

Also; it doesn't respond to the verity of the OP.

Emobo cries everytime someone correctly uses the word "Libera" in reference to decent, freedom and justice loving American Democrats. Then Emobo's eyeliner really starts getting messy.

*nods* AND *chuckles*

 

[WillJ8787]

Also; it doesn't respond to the verity of the OP.

Emobo cries everytime someone correctly uses the word "Libera" in reference to decent, freedom and justice loving American Democrats. Then Emobo's eyeliner really starts getting messy.

*nods* AND *chuckles*

Bobodopey loves the Britannica....he doesn't know it's not used as a source after about 5th grade ... because he never achieved a high level of education.

We did exactly this with him multiple times...he is proud of his ignorance. Proudly dumb....such a good GOP conservative.

 

[GothTalk]

The facts are that the link provided doesn't reflect the outlook you present here at all. Sad indeed!

What I present and what you try to dishonestly smear me as are not the same thing. I'm a consistent proponent of both civil and individual liberty and put it at the front of my politics......that's why I'm a liberal, not a "progressive", which is a different and very authoritarian thing.

I don't understand your compulsion for dishonesty here but I can say it's typical of authoritarian illiberal types like yourself.

Control freaks gotta control freak.

Bobodopey loves the Britannica....he doesn't know it's not used as a source after about 5th grade ... because he never achieved a high level of education.

We did exactly this with him multiple times...he is proud of his ignorance. Proudly dumb....such a good GOP conservative.

WillJ is just made because academic references shit all over his idea that the REAL liberals are leftist totalitarians like himself, who absolutely LOATHE liberty of any sort.

He can't argue that liberalism is what he pretends it is. He can't even try. So he tries ad hom against them and me. It's all he has.

Also; it doesn't respond to the verity of the OP.

Emobo cries everytime someone correctly uses the word "Libera" in reference to decent, freedom and justice loving American Democrats. Then Emobo's eyeliner really starts getting messy.

*nods* AND *chuckles*

Democrats do no love freedom or justice.

They love security and equity..... that's why they actively restrict freedoms and undermine the rule of law.

Again. Democrats, especially "progressive" democrats, are not liberal by any stretch of the term.

 

[WillJ8787]

Lol...heading out to enjoy my freedom and liberty today. What a wonderful Country i live in...short of a few insignificant turds it's an awesome place.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Goth's cite is authoritative. He's spot-on.

 

[GothTalk]

Lol...heading out to enjoy my freedom and liberty today.

While condemning others freedom and liberties that you don't approve of.

This is what makes you the illiberal authoritarian that you and every other "progressive" is.

What a wonderful Country i live in...short of a few insignificant turds it's an awesome place.

What a conservative thing to say, so why do you want to "progress" it into the opposite???

 

[GothTalk]

Goth's cite is authoritative. He's spot-on.

Most other citations of any reputation back it up rather consistently too.


Bottom line is "liberalism" is never going to be "Authoritarianism that leftist approve of." no matter how much folks like WillJ, YDB and peck stamp their feetsies otherwise.

And that is forever going to trigger them.

 

[RobDownSouth]

GoofTalk workin' round the clock to redefine "liberalism" to fit his toxic worldview.

Coming up next: Lit's Semi-White Nationalist mansplains how "2+2=5".

 

[GothTalk]

GoofTalk workin' round the clock to redefine "liberalism" to fit his toxic worldview.

Coming up next: Lit's Semi-White Nationalist mansplains how "2+2=5".

Rob cant refute the facts, so he ups the projection to 11.


Rob, the only people trying to redefine liberalism to fit their toxic worldview are the authoritarian leftist Democrats trying to hide their authoritarianism behind the term.

 

[LittleDixie]

Jesus, again with the rationalwiki.

I'm not even going to bother to read it. Fuck rationalwiki.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rob cant refute the facts, so he ups the projection to 11.


Rob, the only people trying to redefine liberalism to fit their toxic worldview are the authoritarian leftist Democrats trying to hide their authoritarianism behind the term.

Rob can and does refute your twisted interpretation of facts on a near-daily basis here, as do many other people.

You're just not man enough to accept the obvious.

So go ahead and continue to live in your little reality distortion cocoon, insulated from the cold hard truths of the real world.

Keep insisting that 2+2=5.

 

[LittleDixie]

I agree with GothTalk on this. Much better definition.

liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism

MUCH better.

 

[WillJ8787]

I agree with GothTalk on this. Much better definition.



MUCH better.

You should bobodicksie...lol!

 

[WillJ8787]

While condemning others freedom and liberties that you don't approve of.

This is what makes you the illiberal authoritarian that you and every other "progressive" is.



What a conservative thing to say, so why do you want to "progress" it into the opposite???

Sure I do ...you have the same freedom as I do.

Lol...you have the same freedom in Minnesota as California or here in Pa.

You are a whiner....with just as much freedom and liberty as I or anyone else.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://i.imgur.com/xj15J0r.png

 

[GothTalk]

Rob can and does refute your twisted interpretation of facts on a near-daily basis here, as do many other people.

You're just not man enough to accept the obvious.

So go ahead and continue to live in your little reality distortion cocoon, insulated from the cold hard truths of the real world.

Keep insisting that 2+2=5.

Shit talk from the rafters isn't refutation of anything Rob.

Where am I insisting that 2+2=5???

I'm the ones with the facts and citations on my side.

You've brought nothing but name calling and lies.

 

[GothTalk]

Sure I do ...you have the same freedom as I do.

That doesn't mean you don't want to shit can those freedoms....for me and those like me, especially those with the same skin color.

As you've stated so many times in the past.

Lol...you have the same freedom in Minnesota as California or here in Pa.

No.

State laws are a thing.

I'm significantly more free in MN than CA, and a good bit more free than you in PA.

You are a whiner....with just as much freedom and liberty as I or anyone else.

Freedom you want either restricted or eliminated, this is why you're not a liberal.

 

[WillJ8787]

Lol.... please....you need an enemy.

I want everyone to have as much freedom, liberty and happiness as is possible...it is what makes life worth living.

 

[GothTalk]

Lol.... please....you need an enemy.

Not at all, you're deflecting.

I want everyone to have as much freedom, liberty and happiness as is possible...it is what makes life worth living.

Now you're claiming to be a big L Libertarian....LOL that's fucking hysterical

So if you're a Libertarian then why are you a Democrats and so supportive of their authoritarian policies and a big centralized totalitarian government???

There is literally NOTHING about them that reflects your stated sentiment in the above quote, not a SINGLE civil right or liberty they don't want to restrict heavily if no straight up take from the people, at the federal level.

 

[WillJ8787]

You can't win this....just not smart enough.

And

I'm all for small govt, less regulation and more freedoms(which is just keeping the very good freedom we already have).

Cut the military budget way down(you new "Repubs" should be for this) and start providing education to our citizens so they can get jobs and can build on a sense of achievement and growth....the best way I know if taking those at risk for poverty, drugs, crime out of it.