So they all knew the China Virus was from China s Trump said

[AlterErgo]

but didnt wanna say so

so as not to piss off the Chinx


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...d-covid-leaked-wuhan-lab-feared-debate-could/

 

[AlterErgo]

So rather than telling the obvious truth they lied about and really harmed “science” probably for generations.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Fauci and the media lied to us for two years, I'd say. And that's just about the 'rona

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK and probably the rest of the world, we all knew it started in Wuhan, China. How it started? That we still don't know because China won't let anyone find out.

 

[AlterErgo]

china virus

 

[Champakian]

Yeah busybody, it is the China Virus, the Wuhan flu, the Kung Flu,

but let us not let the main perpetrator (and funder of the research) off the hook...



It's the Fauci Flu.

 

[Champakian]

In the UK and probably the rest of the world, we all knew it started in Wuhan, China. How it started? That we still don't know because China won't let anyone find out.

Which is why we know, for a fact, that it had to be the lab.

If they could prove wet market, they would be ecstatically proclaiming it,
letting the world in to investigate and jailing innocent people with low social scores.

 

[ll74]

How many threads on the same topic do we need in order for trumpies to feel heard?

 

[mayfly13]

How many threads on the same topic do we need in order for trumpies to feel heard?

^ This.

 

[mayfly13]

but didnt wanna say so

so as not to piss off the Chinx


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...d-covid-leaked-wuhan-lab-feared-debate-could/

one can only access the article if they have a subscription, so I've quoted the essential parts.
*yw*


telegraph.co.uk
Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’

Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.
The new details came to light after members of the US Republican House Oversight Committee were granted access to the documents, after complaining that their content had been heavily redacted when released under Freedom of Information requests.

1. The following emails were sent to Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Francis Collins of the US National Institutes of Health on 1-4 February 2020.

Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, said that “a likely explanation” was that Covid had rapidly evolved from a Sars-like virus inside human tissue in a low-security lab.
Sir Jeremy said that other scientists also believed the virus could not have evolved naturally.
One such scientist was Professor Mike Farzan, of Scripps Research, the expert who discovered how the original Sars virus binds to human cells.
The emails also show that Bob Garry, of the University of Texas, was unconvinced that Covid-19 emerged naturally.“I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature,” he said.

Scientists were particularly concerned by a part of Covid-19 called the furin cleavage site, a section of the spike protein which helps it enter cells and makes it so infectious to humans.
Professor Andrew Rambaut, from the University of Edinburgh, also said that furin cleavage site “strikes me as unusual”.

2.The emails also show that by February 2 2020, scientists were already trying to shut down the debate into the laboratory leak theory.
A leading scientist (Dr Ron Fouchier) told Sir Jeremy that “further debate would do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular”. Dr Collins, the former director of the US National Institutes of Health, warned it could damage “international harmony”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...d-covid-leaked-wuhan-lab-feared-debate-could/

 

[mayfly13]

HEY icanhelp1

"Scientists were particularly concerned by a part of Covid-19 called the furin cleavage site, a section of the spike protein which helps it enter cells and makes it so infectious to humans."


Remember that you kept relaying to Litsters similar concerns?
you were right

 

[bellisarius]

one can only access the article if they have a subscription, so I've quoted the essential parts.
*yw*


telegraph.co.uk
Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’

Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.
The new details came to light after members of the US Republican House Oversight Committee were granted access to the documents, after complaining that their content had been heavily redacted when released under Freedom of Information requests.

1. The following emails were sent to Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Francis Collins of the US National Institutes of Health on 1-4 February 2020.

Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, said that “a likely explanation” was that Covid had rapidly evolved from a Sars-like virus inside human tissue in a low-security lab.
Sir Jeremy said that other scientists also believed the virus could not have evolved naturally.
One such scientist was Professor Mike Farzan, of Scripps Research, the expert who discovered how the original Sars virus binds to human cells.
The emails also show that Bob Garry, of the University of Texas, was unconvinced that Covid-19 emerged naturally.“I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature,” he said.

Scientists were particularly concerned by a part of Covid-19 called the furin cleavage site, a section of the spike protein which helps it enter cells and makes it so infectious to humans.
Professor Andrew Rambaut, from the University of Edinburgh, also said that furin cleavage site “strikes me as unusual”.

2.The emails also show that by February 2 2020, scientists were already trying to shut down the debate into the laboratory leak theory.
A leading scientist (Dr Ron Fouchier) told Sir Jeremy that “further debate would do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular”. Dr Collins, the former director of the US National Institutes of Health, warned it could damage “international harmony”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...d-covid-leaked-wuhan-lab-feared-debate-could/

Science is a never ending search for the truth. By engaging in a cover-up for political reasons they have actually done more damage to themselves and science than they can possibly imagine.

 

[mayfly13]

Science is a never ending search for the truth. By engaging in a cover-up for political reasons they have actually done more damage to themselves and science than they can possibly imagine.

Yes!
I'm no expert, but I wonder if our vaccines would have been more effective too,
had they revealed the truth ---that engineered spike protein-- to the scientific community.
And private research labs could have gotten more funding too.

 

[Thunderbolt_e]

Science is a never ending search for the truth. By engaging in a cover-up for political reasons they have actually done more damage to themselves and science than they can possibly imagine.

The evidences of the lab leak theory are circumstantial at best, some of those are even outright misinformation. And plenty of scientists think it’s most likely not the case.
The fact is, it’s incredibly hard to prove this theory, almost impossible actually. And China certainly won’t allow the US to dig around their labs forever.
When you think about China’s reaction, it’s somewhat understandable even if they really did nothing wrong. This is like being pulled over by a police officer because he saw you drive near drug dealer, didn’t see the exchange or even you stopping. But he want to tear down you car and do a full search of your house, “just to be sure”. What’s worse, you and this officer had some history and he’s known for planting evidences (Iraqi WMD and Saddam linked to 911).

 

[bellisarius]

The evidences of the lab leak theory are circumstantial at best, some of those are even outright misinformation. And plenty of scientists think it’s most likely not the case.
The fact is, it’s incredibly hard to prove this theory, almost impossible actually. And China certainly won’t allow the US to dig around their labs forever.
When you think about China’s reaction, it’s somewhat understandable even if they really did nothing wrong. This is like being pulled over by a police officer because he saw you drive near drug dealer, didn’t see the exchange or even you stopping. But he want to tear down you car and do a full search of your house, “just to be sure”. What’s worse, you and this officer had some history and he’s known for planting evidences (Iraqi WMD and Saddam linked to 911).

You make a case, but it's far from compelling.

There is NO evidence of a natural source for the Wuhan Flu. None. If there were any evidence the Chinese along with every researcher that was in anyway connect to that lab would be screaming it from the roof tops. Crickets. Papers riddled with "I think" and "I believe." Rationalizations sans evidence. Everyday that that natural source doesn't show up only adds to the probability of a lab leak.

 

[ll74]

You make a case, but it's far from compelling.

There is NO evidence of a natural source for the Wuhan Flu. None. If there were any evidence the Chinese along with every researcher that was in anyway connect to that lab would be screaming it from the roof tops. Crickets. Papers riddled with "I think" and "I believe." Rationalizations sans evidence. Everyday that that natural source doesn't show up only adds to the probability of a lab leak.

That is a dumb statement. There is not enough evidence for either theory to be proven. But time doesn't reduce the probability of either.

Neither has been ruled out. That's about all you can say at this point.

 

[Rightguide]

More evidence we've been scammed by domestic enemies:


Scientists Believed Coronavirus Leaked From Wuhan Lab, But Top U.S. Official Warned Against Debate: Report
By Ryan Saavedra
•
Jan 13, 2022 DailyWire.com

Top U.S. and British scientists reportedly thought that SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, likely escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, but some were hesitant to let the debate play out in the media because they were concerned about “international harmony.”

“An email from Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, on February 2 2020 said that ‘a likely explanation’ was that Covid had rapidly evolved from a Sars-like virus inside human tissue in a low-security lab,” The Telegraph reported. “The email, to Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Francis Collins of the US National Institutes of Health, went on to say that such evolution may have ‘accidentally created a virus primed for rapid transmission between humans.'”

However, a top Dutch scientist and a top U.S. public health official warned that discussing the lab leak theory could cause serious geopolitical issues and could harm China.

Dr. Francis Collins, the then-director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), replied to Farrar, writing: “I share your view that a swift convening of experts in a confidence-inspiring framework is needed or the voices of conspiracy will quickly dominate, doing great potential harm to science and international harmony.”

Another scientist, Dr. Ron Fouchier, a Dutch virologist and Deputy Head of the Erasmus MC Department of Viroscience, responded to Farrar, “Further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from their active duties and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/scie...top-u-s-official-warned-against-debate-report

 

[YooserName]

Leftists still think government is the answer to solving our country's problems. It's called stuck on stupid.

 

[bellisarius]

That is a dumb statement. There is not enough evidence for either theory to be proven. But time doesn't reduce the probability of either.

Neither has been ruled out. That's about all you can say at this point.

Shut up SFB.

 

[mayfly13]

RE ANTI-VAX MOVEMENT

The problem as I see it is that they haven't organised into two distinct groups.

Because some of them are radical right wing, anti-science morons.
Whereas the moderate ones are thoughtful and present valid arguments.




Just chatted with an acquaintance.
(nobody knows me here so her privacy is protected)
She's a cancer survivor, has an older autistic kid, a very young one.
She is terrified of taking the vaccine or give it to her kids, due to fears about her own health (what if she'll develop clots? she IS at risk), and that the research on what leads to autism is still in it's infancy.
Yet she wasn't able to obtain a medical exemption, and will probably be barred from most venues.

Rand Paul, a doctor, thinks that doctors should discuss more thoroughly whether younger children should be vaccinated with the pfizer shot, given that it doesn't fully protect against re-infection.

They all have a point.

Unfortunately, this stuff has been POLITICISED by both team Faucci (who tried to cover his tracks that he funded the research) and by team Reps. (for electoral purposes)....

 

[ll74]

Shut up SFB.

Sorry for the objective truth ruining your narrative.

 

[bellisarius]

Sorry for the objective truth ruining your narrative.

You ruined nothing. Parroting what I had already said and pretending that you contributed to the conversation is a form of insanity.

To be clear, there are but two possible sources of the Wuhan Flu. It either originated in that lab or it came from a natural source.

We know that the Chinese will never allow a thorough examination of that lab so it is highly unlikely that any forensic evidence that it originated in that lab will ever be found.

However the forensic evidence of a natural source is always a possibility. The fact that we are now into the third year since the Wuhan Flu manifested itself without any evidence of a natural source the lab becomes the primary culprit.

Why is that? Very simple process of elimination. Given only two possible sources if it did not originate with one, it has to have originated with the other. The longer that no natural source is found, the greater the evidence that it originated at the lab.

Now, you can reword and regurgitate the above in any manner you want but your efforts will not, and cannot, change the fact that no natural source has been identified.

 

[ll74]

There is not ruling out of the source of the virus for any theory because there is not enough evidence to do so.

Not finding a natural source is not an indication that it's not natural nor does timing impact that assessment. The Chinese not allowing access precisely makes it even more likely the natural source has not been found because of the lack of access.

I'm not rewarding anything or anyone - just stating the truth. You're pushing the - "it's a lab creation" theory, which is fine.

I originally dismissed the lab theory and was wrong in doing so, just as you are wrong for dismissing the natural theory.

Now, you can reword and regurgitate the below in any manner you want but your efforts will not, and cannot, change the fact that no lab source has been identified.

You ruined nothing. Parroting what I had already said and pretending that you contributed to the conversation is a form of insanity.

To be clear, there are but two possible sources of the Wuhan Flu. It either originated in that lab or it came from a natural source.

We know that the Chinese will never allow a thorough examination of that lab so it is highly unlikely that any forensic evidence that it originated in that lab will ever be found.

However the forensic evidence of a natural source is always a possibility. The fact that we are now into the third year since the Wuhan Flu manifested itself without any evidence of a natural source the lab becomes the primary culprit.

Why is that? Very simple process of elimination. Given only two possible sources if it did not originate with one, it has to have originated with the other. The longer that no natural source is found, the greater the evidence that it originated at the lab.

Now, you can reword and regurgitate the above in any manner you want but your efforts will not, and cannot, change the fact that no natural source has been identified.

 

[mayfly13]

So I was chatting with a friend who lives in the US,
and when I said "did you see what bloody Faucci did? Tried to shut up the scientists who thought it was man-made"

he laughed: "You think Faucci did that just because? Faucci's a nobody, just a doctor employed by the higher-ups.
If he funded gain-of function research and then tried to suppress the theories about it, he did it because US Army ordered him to keep quiet.
But we'll never know because these things stay classified for 10 or 50 years."

Apparently there was an article a few months ago about it,involving some US military official's leaked opinion.


You know what?
It makes sense and I felt stupid
and all our Faucci good versus Faucci bad threads look stupid.

 

[mayfly13]

june 2021: The Pentagon funneled $39million to a charity that funded Wuhan lab, federal data reveals.


"The charity, EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), has come under intense scrutiny after it emerged that it had been using federal grants to fund research into coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.

A political storm broke when former president Donald Trump canceled a $3.7 million grant to the charity last year amid claims that Covid-19 was created in, or leaked from, the Wuhan lab funded by EHA.

But federal grant data assembled by independent researchers shows that the charity has received more than $123 million from the government – from 2017 to 2020 - and that one of its biggest funders is the Department of Defense, funneling almost $39 million to the organization since 2013.

Despite his close connections to the Chinese lab, Daszak (the head of EcoHealth Alliance) was also picked by the World Health Organization (WHO) to be part of its 13-member team that was tasked with finding the cause of the pandemic which began in Wuhan, a city of some 11 million people in Central China.
Prominent scientists have criticized the WHO probe, which dismissed lab leak theories, as lackluster and incomplete."


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...neled-39million-charity-funded-Wuhan-lab.html