Florida Giving CRT the Hard Goodbye

[SgtSpiderMan]

Nope, no change. Not even a slight one. As I said earlier, your perception is flawed, and frankly, your schitck is wearing thin.

Ok, so even though your definition is very different from the textbook definition, there's been no change.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Ok, so even though your definition is very different from the textbook definition, there's been no change.

My definition is identical. Ypu do realize, Sarge, that I'm citing a book? Even Delgado and Stefancic didn't just fashion a definition and leave it at that. There is an entire book of text that fleshes out what that efinition means and how it is applied. In addition, there are other books and papers by DiAngelo, Kendi, Applebaum, Crenshaw, etc. that also contribute to what CRT is.

Do you think that definitions are the full range of what words and concepts are?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

My definition is identical. Ypu do realize, Sarge, that I'm citing a book? Even Delgado and Stefancic didn't just fashion a definition and leave it at that. There is an entire book of text that fleshes out what that efinition means and how it is applied. In addition, there are other books and papers by DiAngelo, Kendi, Applebaum, Crenshaw, etc. that also contribute to what CRT is.

Do you think that definitions are the full range of what words and concepts are?

Well now that we have one of your definitions, why don't you post the textbook definition....?
Or a definition from someone who has read the book.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Well now that we have one of your definitions, why don't you post the textbook definition....?
Or a definition from someone who has read the book.

The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars engaged in studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power. The movement considers many of the same issues that conventional civil rights and ethnic studies discourses take up but places them in a broader perspective that includes economics, history, setting, group and self-interest, and emotions and the unconscious. Delgao and Stefancic, Critical Race Theory: An Introduction (third edition)

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars engaged in studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power. The movement considers many of the same issues that conventional civil rights and ethnic studies discourses take up but places them in a broader perspective that includes economics, history, setting, group and self-interest, and emotions and the unconscious. Delgao and Stefancic, Critical Race Theory: An Introduction (third edition)

And so you can see, here's one of the definitions you gave.

A. CRT is the idea that America was founded as a racist state, that all of our institutions are shot through with racism and that racism is the normal order of the day in America. The only evidence proffered for this is disparities between whites and blacks in desirable categories.

B. It is being taught. Not directly as something called CRT, but as a lens through which to interpret events.

C. We're right

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I did, and it's 100% correct. CRT isn't neutral about all of those things it lists in its definition. It has a certain point of view from which it analyzes all of those fields of human interction, and (A) is what that POV is. Those are some of its central assumptions, left unproven and unexamined.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I did, and it's 100% correct. CRT isn't neutral about all of those things it lists in its definition. It has a certain point of view from which it analyzes all of those fields of human interction, and (A) is what that POV is. Those are some of its central assumptions, left unproven and unexamined.

Textbook definition:
The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars engaged in studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power.


Bud's definition.
CRT is the idea that America was founded as a racist state, that all of our institutions are shot through with racism and that racism is the normal order of the day in America

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Textbook definition:
The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars engaged in studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power.


Bud's definition.
CRT is the idea that America was founded as a racist state, that all of our institutions are shot through with racism and that racism is the normal order of the day in America

i just posted the definition, above, and here you are pretending I said something else. The definition is what I posted, and the second is some of the specific, central beliefs that CR Theorists hold. This isn't as hard as you're making it, Private.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

i just posted the definition, above, and here you are pretending I said something else. The definition is what I posted, and the second is some of the specific, central beliefs that CR Theorists hold. This isn't as hard as you're making it, Private.

So again, just to document your deflection & goal post moving, at one time they were both the definition, but now that you see them side by side the 2nd one is no longer the definition.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Dud believes anything he disagrees with is obviously Dems planting CRT in our schools. It's funny too because people like him rail against public education but when it comes to to teaching children the truth, he throws a toddler's tantrum.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

So again, just to document your deflection & goal post moving, at one time they were both the definition, but now that you see them side by side the 2nd one is no longer the definition.

The definition is accurate, but not really helpful in understanding what CRT is, specifically. Tht definition is prety broad, so I included speciics of what CRT believes when asked about it so people would have a better idea of its point of view. Nothing in the second passage contradicts what is in the first, I think you will agree.

 

[pecksniff]

The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars engaged in studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power. The movement considers many of the same issues that conventional civil rights and ethnic studies discourses take up but places them in a broader perspective that includes economics, history, setting, group and self-interest, and emotions and the unconscious. Delgao and Stefancic, Critical Race Theory: An Introduction (third edition)

That does not translate to "white people suck."

 

[Bud_Spencer]

That does not translate to "white people suck."

There's plenty more in it that does.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The definition is accurate, but not really helpful in understanding what CRT is, specifically. Tht definition is prety broad, so I included speciics of what CRT believes when asked about it so people would have a better idea of its point of view. Nothing in the second passage contradicts what is in the first, I think you will agree.

Just to continue to document your deflection & goal post moving, the definition in the book is not really accurate so you gave a better definition than the people who wrote the book on CRT. Which is a different story from your original story that you & the authors of the textbook were using the same definition.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Just to continue to document your deflection & goal post moving, the definition in the book is not really accurate so you gave a better definition than the people who wrote the book on CRT. Which is a different story from your original story that you & the authors of the textbook were using the same definition.

No, as I've said a couple of time already in this thread, the definition is accurate, but so broad as to be almost meaningless. I add the basic tenets of CRT to show what the analyitical lens of CR Theorists is. What I added in (A) is accurate and does not contradict the short definition at all.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No, as I've said a couple of time already in this thread, the definition is accurate, but so broad as to be almost meaningless. I add the basic tenets of CRT to show what the analyitical lens of CR Theorists is. What I added in (A) is accurate and does not contradict the short definition at all.

Then we're in complete agreement that your definition is different than the definition the authors of the textbook give.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Then we're in complete agreement that your definition is different than the definition the authors of the textbook give.

Nope, it's identical. See above. (A) only expands on the definition, it doesn't contradict it. There isn't a CR Theorist that would disagree that (A) contains tenets of CRT.

 

[Rotadom]

At this point, I'm sure you could find CRT tenents in a children's pop-up book.

 

[Lazaran]

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Pud's in even better company now, as Putin's Russia is also in the process of whitewashing it's history.

And Deplorables like Pud wonder why.....

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Rotadom]

Bud hates CRT.
Putin hates CRT.
Ergo Bud loves Putin.

 

[pecksniff]

Bud hates CRT.
Putin hates CRT.
Ergo Bud loves Putin.

Why would Putin have any opinion on it? It's not an issue in Russia.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

LOL @ Dud. Keep on keepin' on.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

At this point, I'm sure you could find CRT tenents in a children's pop-up book.

That's an easy one: https://www.amazon.com/Antiracist-B...=1640811986&sprefix=anti-racist,aps,87&sr=8-1

From a guy who wants the US to become a racial dictatorship in the name of "equity."

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Bud hates CRT.
Putin hates CRT.
Ergo Bud loves Putin.

Not sure how Putin feels about it, but I do know Macron loathes it.

 

[pecksniff]

Not sure how Putin feels about it, but I do know Macron loathes it.

How is CRT an issue in France?