Greater Idaho?

[pecksniff]

Article. Apparently there are some RWs in rural eastern Oregon who want to secede -- not from the U.S., but from blue Oregon -- and become part of red Idaho.

Nothing like this has happened since the Civil War, when West Virginia seceded from Virginia.

It's worth speculating whether this might have roots in the old Northwest Territorial Imperative, a white nationalist idea of forming an independent all-white homeland in the Northwest.

 

[Chernosoth]

The state of Jefferson would make more sense, with the northern third of California and a slice of Oregon.

 

[Chernosoth]

The bottom line is the west coast is becoming too dry to sustain its current population. As more than half evacuates over the next few decades, the remainder will have a different spread.

 

[GothTalk]

Article. Apparently there are some RWs in rural eastern Oregon who want to secede -- not from the U.S., but from blue Oregon -- and become part of red Idaho.

Nothing like this has happened since the Civil War, when West Virginia seceded from Virginia.

It's worth speculating whether this might have roots in the old Northwest Territorial Imperative, a white nationalist idea of forming an independent all-white homeland in the Northwest.

No it's not worth speculating.

You're just desperately trying to paint anyone who's not a civil liberties loathing anti-American leftist as a racist.

Because civil liberties loathing anti-American leftist gotta be civil liberties loathing anti-American leftist.

 

[Chernosoth]

I forgot the dying. That may reduce population enough in the next few years.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

There is also Here’s Why Some In Maryland Want To Secede And Join West Virginia. Maybe you can come up with some moronic speculation for this also?

 

[WillJ8787]

No it's not worth speculating.

You're just desperately trying to paint anyone who's not a civil liberties loathing anti-American leftist as a racist.

Because civil liberties loathing anti-American leftist gotta be civil liberties loathing anti-American leftist.

Ah, we all know where Cornturd is moving to if it happens.

I think a great experiment would be to let a State do this as an example of how bad an idea this would be....they will fail miserably at governoring themselves.

 

[Dribble]

Let them go. The numbers lost isn't worth the headaches. They won't change the makeup of the House. The taxes lost are nothing compared to the money they take.

 

[GothTalk]

Let them go. The numbers lost isn't worth the headaches. They won't change the makeup of the House. The taxes lost are nothing compared to the money they take.

It's like you're the only one who's smart enough to not want to give people who hate you money.

Too bad the rest of your comrades are too fucking stupid to figure it out.

 

[GothTalk]

Ah, we all know where Cornturd is moving to if it happens.

Nope. WRONG again.

I think a great experiment would be to let a State do this as an example of how bad an idea this would be....they will fail miserably at governoring themselves.

They will??

Why hasn't this happened yet, and why are people leaving blue states for red ones at record rates??

 

[JohnnySavage]

I was stationed at Lake Pend Oreille for a few months.

 

[Rightguide]

Article. Apparently there are some RWs in rural eastern Oregon who want to secede -- not from the U.S., but from blue Oregon -- and become part of red Idaho.

Nothing like this has happened since the Civil War, when West Virginia seceded from Virginia.

It's worth speculating whether this might have roots in the old Northwest Territorial Imperative, a white nationalist idea of forming an independent all-white homeland in the Northwest.

It won't happen in this case either.

 

[Comshaw]

Article. Apparently there are some RWs in rural eastern Oregon who want to secede -- not from the U.S., but from blue Oregon -- and become part of red Idaho.

Nothing like this has happened since the Civil War, when West Virginia seceded from Virginia.

It's worth speculating whether this might have roots in the old Northwest Territorial Imperative, a white nationalist idea of forming an independent all-white homeland in the Northwest.

No this has nothing to do with a white nationalist agenda. If you want to check, this went on back in the 80's in Washington state. The state is geographically split by the Cascade mountains. The east side is full of farms and ranches and much more conservative than the major population centers (Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Vancouver) on the west side. The same thing is going on with eastern Oregon. They don't like the liberal politics of the Portland, coastal area and want to be affiliated with a political body that reflects their political view point.

In Washington, the east side started a petition to break away from the state and form their own state, Cascadia. It fizzled for the same reason the greater Idaho one will, to do so requires that the state legislature endorse the plan as well as the federal government. That didn't happen back then and it won't happen now for Oregon.

Actually I don't see where it would be a bad thing, for Oregonians any way. In Washington, it wouldn't go well for the Eastside if it happened. The reason is the west side is the big tax producer and the reason the east side has such good roads.

Anyway, that be what that be.

Comshaw

 

[Chernosoth]

The state is geographically split by the Cascade mountains. The east side is full of farms and ranches and much more conservative than the major population centers (Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Vancouver) on the west side.

When residents finally draw their own borders, the west coasts of Oregon and Washington may be one state and the eastern sides may be another state, or merged with Idaho and Jefferson. That whole corner of the US may eventually be a Cascadian nation, maybe with British Columbia.

 

[pecksniff]

The idea does make a certain sense geographically -- western Oregon is part of The Other Rainforest, the east is part of the dry Far West.

 

[pecksniff]

And I've never heard anyone who beats the drum for "states' rights" make any case that the established historical boundaries of states are sacred and inviolate.
The internal boundaries of the United States could be redrawn substantially, and still retain whatever of value there is in decentralized government.

We should start by making separate states out of our 20 or 30 largest metropolitan areas.

And as the next step, look at this map and divide each region into states.

 

[GothTalk]

And I've never heard anyone who beats the drum for "states' rights" make any case that the established historical boundaries of states are sacred and inviolate.

Me either, I don't think there is one.

The internal boundaries of the United States could be redrawn substantially, and still retain whatever of value there is in decentralized government.

100%, and I think doing so at this point would be a very healthy thing in a number of cases.

We should start by making separate states out of our 20 or 30 largest metropolitan areas.

Disagree, we need more consolidation, not further division.

City states at this point are not really the most feedable since they are so dependent upon the natural resources around them.

And as the next step, look at this map and divide each region into states.

Not a bad guidepost.

I personally think you would have to have more of a compromise with the current state lines.

1) Cascadia
2) California
3) Northern Mountain
4) Southern Mountain
5)Central Plains
6) Great Lakes
7) Texas
8) South
9) New England
10)The Dirty Filthy South
11) FLorida
12) Alaska or put them with the N. Mtn
13) Hi, or maybe also California??

Then send almost EVERYTHING back to each state that isn't interstate/international affair, border crossing infrastructure or national defense.

Even most civil rights. 8th and 13th amendment should be the only thing on the BoR.

 

[Lazaran]

The bottom line is the west coast is becoming too dry to sustain its current population. As more than half evacuates over the next few decades, the remainder will have a different spread.

The "West coast is becoming too dry"???

Wake the fuck up.

Inform yourself on current drought conditions beyond California.

Deplorables are a collection of ignorant non-aborted cell clots.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[pecksniff]

I forgot the dying.

By dysentery? (This is Oregon, after all.)

 

[pecksniff]

Ah, we all know where Cornturd is moving to if it happens.

I think a great experiment would be to let a State do this as an example of how bad an idea this would be....they will fail miserably at governoring themselves.

I don't see why -- it would simply be a matter of certain counties and towns, with governments now existing, sending their taxes and representatives to a different state capital, also now existing.

 

[pecksniff]

There is also Here’s Why Some In Maryland Want To Secede And Join West Virginia. Maybe you can come up with some moronic speculation for this also?

Sure, why not, panhandles never make any sense anyway.

 

[pecksniff]

Article. Apparently there are some RWs in rural eastern Oregon who want to secede -- not from the U.S., but from blue Oregon -- and become part of red Idaho.

Nothing like this has happened since the Civil War, when West Virginia seceded from Virginia.

It's worth speculating whether this might have roots in the old Northwest Territorial Imperative, a white nationalist idea of forming an independent all-white homeland in the Northwest.

From the article:

In McCarter and his allies’ eyes, they’re preserving a version of the last American frontier—lands still unfettered by the progressive ideas from cities such as Portland that are seeping into every place in America and threatening rural life. It’s a charming myth. “The frontier fantasy of armed white men who made the West and can remake it because they are autonomous or independent from political forces back east is something that really probably fires the imagination of a lot of people,” the historian Joe Lowndes, of the University of Oregon, told me. Localism, autonomy, and regionalism are entrenched in the literary imagination of Oregon—take, for example, Don Berry’s Trask and Ken Kesey’s Sometimes a Great Notion. Greater Idaho is adjacent to the bioregion of Cascadia and the environmental utopia of Ernest Callenbach’s Ecotopia, as well as to the “American Redoubt,” a supposed haven for survivalists in the sparsely populated lands of Montana, Idaho, and the eastern sides of Washington and Oregon—“the last refuge of the American patriot,” as a Redoubt-centric real-estate company describes it. (“Rural America gives you ultimate freedom and safety far away from the Sanctuary City,” the firm promises.)

Oregon was itself founded in dispossession. Its constitution banned free Black people from living in the state. “It’s difficult to disentangle the nonthreatening parts of this group from the threatening white-supremacist aspects, because the region gained a reputation as a safe home for these ideas,” Steven Beda, a historian at the University of Oregon, told me. “It’s about articulating a rural identity, a return to a rural past; and ruralness is frequently used as a synonym for whiteness. Nostalgia is often rooted in white-supremacist ideals—‘we were all better off before people of color started demanding rights.’” Most supporters I spoke with skewed toward retirement age; they diligently collected signatures at farmers’ markets and gun shows and chatted in small groups at thinly attended meetups in church basements, peddling a far-fetched cause among their neighbors. But McCarter mentioned to me in passing that some supporters had gone to Washington, D.C., on January 6. A conservative-leaning separatist movement isn’t definitionally exclusionary or violent, but movements like Greater Idaho can’t be entirely decoupled from the context of menacing and violent right-wing organizing in the region. The Patriot movement, a set of anti-government conspiracist militias, remains active today, and Timber Unity, a rural solidarity group with extremist connections, gives money and support to county-commissioner candidates, including many who go on to win.

 

[KeithD]

Me either, I don't think there is one.



100%, and I think doing so at this point would be a very healthy thing in a number of cases.



Disagree, we need more consolidation, not further division.

City states at this point are not really the most feedable since they are so dependent upon the natural resources around them.



Not a bad guidepost.

I personally think you would have to have more of a compromise with the current state lines.

1) Cascadia
2) California
3) Northern Mountain
4) Southern Mountain
5)Central Plains
6) Great Lakes
7) Texas
8) South
9) New England
10)The Dirty Filthy South
11) FLorida
12) Alaska or put them with the N. Mtn
13) Hi, or maybe also California??

Then send almost EVERYTHING back to each state that isn't interstate/international affair, border crossing infrastructure or national defense.

Even most civil rights. 8th and 13th amendment should be the only thing on the BoR.

You left out Mid-Atlantic, which has already become a region: Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia (with maybe New Jersey and North Carolina)

 

[Cubantripod]

It's worth speculating whether this might have roots in the old Northwest Territorial Imperative, a white nationalist idea of forming an independent all-white homeland in the Northwest.

No different that eastern parts of California. The rural parts feel that the urban areas always win come election time, so they have no representation.

 

[pecksniff]

The state of Jefferson would make more sense, with the northern third of California and a slice of Oregon.

Jefferson.