Omicron.

[Champakian]

Fan of Welles, but not kid's cartoons.

 

[Chernosoth]

One list to keep for future reference is people who say the unvaxed should be denied healthcare. Hypocrites are piling up some crow to eat later, when the shots are obviously much worse than the virus and many more people are dying. But that may be a moot point if we have a severe decline of healthcare availability and standards.

 

[oggbashan]

One list to keep for future reference is people who say the unvaxed should be denied healthcare. Hypocrites are piling up some crow to eat later, when the shots are obviously much worse than the virus and many more people are dying. But that may be a moot point if we have a severe decline of healthcare availability and standards.

Where is the proof that people are dying from the vaccines?

Many thousands of unvaccinated people are dying from Covid. What are the numbers for vaccine deaths?

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I've merged this thread with Wat's since it's basically the same chat room.

~Admin

 

[Sean]

the shots are obviously much worse than the virus and many more people are dying.

This is utter bullshit. The only retards that believe shit like this are the same people that think there is a New World Order run by lizard people.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Huh. The Sunrise Schmuck Squad got triggered over their bullshit again, it seems.

https://y.yarn.co/5ef57f0a-1305-4a4a-990a-dc4fe5ca2d49_text.gif

 

[PaxNurgle]

Where?
I haven't researched it recently,
but I was under the impression that more and more scientists are coming out
and complaining that any "pro-lab leak" voices have been censored by mainstream media, Faucci or WHO.

Pro lab leak voices are NOT being censored. They are being DEBUNKED.

There is a key difference here.

"Debunked" means, not just exposing an untruth, but prohibiting a potentially damaging falsehood from being spread.

Censored means not allowing a statement from being made regardless of whether it is true or not.

The lie that the virus was deliberatly created in a lab had been DEBUNKED numerous times. People simply choose to believe it anyway. Much like there are still people who insist that the U.S. presidential election was "Fraudulent" and that "Trump really won"- despite this being debunked countless times. Deep down most people know these things are not true- but they believe falsehoods because they choose to. Blaming Chinese scientists for creating a deadly virus is easier for them than believing it was an act of nature. It conveniently gives people a scapegoat to direct their anger at.

 

[Chernosoth]

Where is the proof that people are dying from the vaccines?

Many thousands of unvaccinated people are dying from Covid. What are the numbers for vaccine deaths?

The numbers at the USA's VAERS may be only a tenth of adverse effects that doctors witness, for various reasons starting with the deliberate difficulty of reporting an adverse effect at the site. Many patients who had the shots are still recorded as unvaccinated if they're less than two weeks from the last shot, or didn't have all three or whatever we're up to now, or they're "vaccination status unknown" to shift the blame. Spike proteins doing all kinds of damage that doesn't show in standard tests will be confusing doctors for a long time. Here's Dr. Peter McCullough, who was very highly respected until he spoke against the shots. He was pro-vax until he saw the effects on his own patients:
https://rumble.com/embed/vhjd7q/?pub=4#?secret=6vhnm0m70j#?secret=2cl96haw4s

 

[Sean]

The numbers at the USA's VAERS may be only a tenth of adverse effects that doctors witness, for various reasons starting with the deliberate difficulty of reporting an adverse effect at the site. Many patients who had the shots are still recorded as unvaccinated if they're less than two weeks from the last shot, or didn't have all three or whatever we're up to now, or they're "vaccination status unknown" to shift the blame. Spike proteins doing all kinds of damage that doesn't show in standard tests will be confusing doctors for a long time. Here's Dr. Peter McCullough, who was very highly respected until he spoke against the shots. He was pro-vax until he saw the effects on his own patients:
https://rumble.com/embed/vhjd7q/?pub=4#?secret=6vhnm0m70j#?secret=2cl96haw4s

Isn't he the cunt Baylor kicked to the kerb because he kept pushing hydroxychloroquine long after it was proved to be fucking useless against covid?

 

[bellisarius]

Pro lab leak voices are NOT being censored. They are being DEBUNKED.

There is a key difference here.

"Debunked" means, not just exposing an untruth, but prohibiting a potentially damaging falsehood from being spread.

Censored means not allowing a statement from being made regardless of whether it is true or not.

The lie that the virus was deliberatly created in a lab had been DEBUNKED numerous times. People simply choose to believe it anyway. Much like there are still people who insist that the U.S. presidential election was "Fraudulent" and that "Trump really won"- despite this being debunked countless times. Deep down most people know these things are not true- but they believe falsehoods because they choose to. Blaming Chinese scientists for creating a deadly virus is easier for them than believing it was an act of nature. It conveniently gives people a scapegoat to direct their anger at.

You are part of the SFB's that latch onto a fragment and attempt to apply it to the whole. No one that I know in the scientific community claim that the Wuhan Flu was "engineered." Nor does anyone I know of in the scientific community claim that the virus was purposely released.

On the other hand the growing consensus is that it DID originate in that lab and most likely spread by a worker in that lab.

So take your parsing and shove it where the Sun doesn't shine.

 

[Chernosoth]

And there's Vaccine Enhanced Illness, which happened every time a coronavirus vaccine was previously attempted. That's why a coronavirus vaccine was not approved until now, and why people are still dying of covid.

 

[Sean]

On the other hand the growing consensus is that it DID originate in that lab and most likely spread by a worker in that lab.

Bullshit.

 

[Lazaran]

Isn't he the cunt Baylor kicked to the kerb because he kept pushing hydroxychloroquine long after it was proved to be fucking useless against covid?

Baylor actually sued him for affiliating himself with them and for using his former title at Baylor in interviews where he peddled his Covid vaccine nonsense.

He's a pariah.

*nods*

 

[bellisarius]

Bullshit.

Wrong. Even St. Fauci isn't denying the possibility. Of course you are going to latch onto the word, "possibility." And then you can follow that up with "there is no proof it originated in that lab."

I suggest you go back and reread your 'Sherlock Holmes' stories. " "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" Playing off that notion we are faced with the FACT that NO other source has ever been identified. The longer time passes without a 'natural' source being identified the stronger the focus on the lab as a source. The fact that the Chinese have steadfastly stonewalled any attempt to thoroughly investigate the lab has done nothing to ally any thoughts otherwise. Their alternate accusations aren't helping either, in fact they're laughable.

Add to that that there is evidence, inconclusive evidence but evidence none the less, that the disease actually manifested itself as early as Sept. 2019. The Chinese have also refused to have that investigated.

The "truth" is neither racist nor political. The "truth" is a stand alone product of thorough investigation. When a thorough investigation is being thwarted at every instance then the "truth" must be inferred from what meager facts are known, or in some cases, such as this, the lack of fact.

 

[Champakian]

True Believers, Eric Hoffer

Their argument is almost always of the assumed a priori variation.

Everyone knows that it didn't originate in a lab,
and if you don't, you are a denier.
Everyone I know "knows"
that it came from the
wet market, you
know, the one
next to the
lab...

 

[Champakian]

From Australia (worth a read):

https://reason.com/2021/12/10/australia-falls-back-into-arbitrary-restrictions-as-omicron-emerges/

 

[ericalauren]

Random memory from college: My professor of ancient Greek used to cringe at my pronunciation of omicron. I never thought it would come in handy, anyway. I was wrong.

 

[oggbashan]

Random memory from college: My professor of ancient Greek used to cringe at my pronunciation of omicron. I never thought it would come in handy, anyway. I was wrong.

At school, my classic teacher used to say that the mark of an educated person was the ability to recite, from memory in the original Greek, the catalogue of ships from Homer's Iliad.


I was an obvious failure. I could only remember the beginning of Virgil's Aeneid - Arma virumque cano... and the start of Chaucer's prologue - When that in...

ARMA virumque cano, Troiae qui primus ab oris
Italiam, fato profugus, Laviniaque venit
litora, multum ille et terris iactatus et alto
vi superum saevae memorem Iunonis ob iram;
multa quoque et bello passus, dum conderet urbem,
inferretque deos Latio, genus unde Latinum,
Albanique patres, atque altae moenia Romae.

Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote,
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote,
And bathed every veyne in swich licóur
Of which vertú engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open ye,
So priketh hem Natúre in hir corages,
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,

 

[Champakian]

Where I went to school, English passed as a foreign language credit.

 

[Chernosoth]

This is utter bullshit. The only retards that believe shit like this are the same people that think there is a New World Order run by lizard people.

Using ad hominem and hasty generalization shows the weakness of your position.

 

[oggbashan]

Using ad hominem and hasty generalization shows the weakness of your position.

Maybe. But he is right. It is bullshit and disproven by any accurate statistics.

 

[Sean Renaud]

~snip~

The thesis is that an individual with a severe cold also contracted the Wuhan Flu Delta variant. The two viruses formed a merger in that individuals body an now we have Omicron. This is actually quite possible in that both the Wuhan Flu and the common Cold are Corona viruses. Their hopes are that we end up with a more communicable, but less lethal form of the disease. Let's hope they're right.

The long term outlook is considerably more troubling. If this mixing can occur once, it can happen again and again and again. This implies that at some point in the future a variant might emerge that is considerably more lethal than that which we've seen so far.

Those experts are either morons or more likely don't exist. Covid and Influenza are about as closely related as a clam and an ostrich. Everything after his moot based on the foundation you tried to build. ITs not impossible that some interactioin happened that caused a mutation but this isn't like family traits mixing around.

Besides Omnicron doesn't seem to be too big a deal aside from we should keep an eye on it.

 

[oggbashan]

...

Besides Omnicron doesn't seem to be too big a deal aside from we should keep an eye on it.

We still don't know much about Omnicron except that case numbers in the UK are doubling every week. It appears to be much more transmittable than the Delta variant but whether it causes severe disease? We don't know and won't for a few weeks yet. We can hope that it is milder.

The UK is going hard to get everyone with a third jab because it seems two aren't enough to deter Omnicron but three jabs seem to provide 75% protection.

So far the numbers of hospitalizations in the UK seem to have plateaued at a lowish level but the impact of Omnicro hasn't really come through yet.

If Omicron is transmitted more easily and produces some hospitalizations? We in the UK could be in deep shit.

 

[hobbit.]

This is utter bullshit. The only retards that believe shit like this are the same people that think there is a New World Order run by lizard people.

WTF have NUFC got to do with this?

But....

Variants such as the indian variant (Delta) started... where ?

Moronic variant (omicron) started.......... where?

while people in the first world squabble and scramble for a third and fourth injection to protect them from variants what happens in the counteries who couldnt afford the big pharma fees, or who have no geo political value? millions go unprotected, in places with no health care, or vaccine programme and..... variants occur.

The only lizzards are in governments, big pharma, and vaccine nazis.

 

[hobbit.]

We in the UK could be in deep shit.

We already are. We have a tory government.