Anonymous grammar trolls?

[born2rebellis]

Did you miss that part of my losing interest in your issue, which I'm not finding to be the issue you're claiming it is?

Yeah I clearly did because I didn’t realise losing interest resulted in continuing to discuss, now you’re just sounding moronic.

Then reason you falsely CLAIM to lose interest and change the topic is that your claims have been refuted and you have nothing more to offer then hypocritical stupidity.

 

[born2rebellis]

Honestly, running people down because of grammar and punctuation is akin to a 10 year old harassing a 3 year old because he can walk better, shortly before tripping over backwards in reference to his hypocritical grammar and punctuation errors he also makes.

I use the 10 and 3 year old analogy as literacy is a learned trait that people get better with over time once they’ve applied it.

Unfortunately though a great writer requires a great mind and one can master literacy but still be a failed writer and technical writers come into the realisation of this in time and then all they’ve got to fall back on isn technicality

That’s the point I’m making, I’m not justifying bad spelling and a refusal to get better in time, I’m merely pointing things out for what they are Anne how so much time is wasted through irrelevance, hypocrisy and the refusal or incapability to rationalise and understand.

 

[born2rebellis]

Shakespeare never had six lines together without a fault. Perhaps you may find seven, but this does not refute my general assertion.
Samuel Johnson quoted in Life of Johnson

 

[windar]

There’s no need to be so literal, Can’t you have an opinion by viewing the matter just in general and think theoretically about the matter??


You see a story that is great with the occasional typo , and no reference in the comment about the story being great just a grammar nazi lambasting it

Why should I need to dig up the story again when you can just think theoretically about the situation

Perhaps the commenter didn't think the story was great and was being kind by focussing on spelling which can be easily fixed rather than a trite plot and uninteresting characters, which are much harder to fix.

Why are you afraid to tell us which story it is? Methinks there's a good chance it's a mediocre tale even if it were perfectly spelled.

 

[born2rebellis]

Yeah I clearly did because I didn’t realise losing interest resulted in continuing to discuss, now you’re just sounding moronic.

Then reason you falsely CLAIM to lose interest and change the topic is that your claims have been refuted and you have nothing more to offer then hypocritical stupidity.

There is a study suggesting personality traits of a reader influences their reactions to typos and grammos (who knew grammos was a word?). Some people just can’t get over you’re when it should have been your. When reading stories, some people get so focused on the errors it ruins their reading experience. I think it may partly be the fact they feel they are editing the story in their head as they read. I know this happens to me sometimes, but then I ignore it (unless it's a published book, where I shake my head and wonder, how did this get past the editor?).

But some people might feel a need to respond, where they have genuine good intents, trying to improve a writer. I’ve had a few comments about my use of pronouns ‘me’ and ‘I’, some contradicting one another, but at least one anonymous has recently bothered to take the time to explain how to determine the correct usage, something I already knew but never bothered to implement because I personally didn’t give two shits about how people use the pronouns. But some people do care, so perhaps I should too, and so I’ve vowed to take more care in future and maybe improve my writing.

Hence, if criticism is constructive, or the intent is to help the writer improve, it’s not a bad thing. Yes, it would be nice if they’d make more comment on the actual story in addition to their gramma pedantry, but hey, feedback is feedback and not mandatory, where they bothered to read something to find the errors and cared enough to say something. But readers might like to remember they come here to read free stories provided by amateurs for the purpose of entertainment, and if they want perfect writing, go read a published book. But even there they may not find grammatical perfection, where mistakes get past editors and proof readers. I’ve caught errors in the works of big-name commercial authors before. Which makes me feel better about any mistakes I’ve missed after three or four proof-reads.

By the way, b2r, your lack of full-stops is triggering

Haha thanks for detailed level headed response, I’ve been writing for quite a while but only philosophical stuff and for myself, I’m very new to ‘technical writing’ and beginning to apply proper grammar and punctuation and enjoying the process,
However as you noted, even mistakes get past professional editors so my point is when people get the gist then it’s easier to overlook a slight typo rather then lambaste someone for it or be nasty about it as that’s not constructive to me, that’s merely attempting to put someone down and a form of bullying and cowardice hiding behind a computer screen, they wouldn’t do that face to face because their true intentions would be revealed and they’d probably get socked in the jaw lol

I agree with you, it’s easy to look for the dirt but be the one who looks for the gold that’s a proverb that I apply when it comes to reading any kind of material and it’s a more logical outlook I would presume as I’m understanding and never annoyed or triggered or disappointed and so buyer and twisted that I feel the need to make hate filled remarks LOL

That says way more about the critic then the actual writer especially the hypocrisy of it, that’s another thing I can’t stand, hypocrisy, these same people make typos and errors in their own works so they’re really just mad at themselves I think.

It’s inner conflict and they seem to be using grammar as an outlet to vent their loathing and bitterness LOL

The other point I was making was technical writing doesn’t make a good writer anyway, I read a quote today from a Shakespeare critic that he couldn’t get 6 lines together without a flaw yet nobody remembers a single critic do they? So it’s really not the end of the world and I won’t be turned off writing by such people.

In a way I enjoy that it triggers them, because these kind of people as I mentioned lack in any kind of creativity so they use punctuation and grammar as a weapon against others as that’s all they’ve got to fall back on and their correction of others can easily stem from spite, they know it’s quality material they’re reading yet fail to mention this and choose to focus on grammar to shoot someone down.

That to me is just criminal as it’s not encouraging and out of hate they’re giving writing and the forum a bad name in general and there’s no place for these kind of people when their interiors are to do harm and not better others.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[AlinaX]

born2rebellis: Your original post and many of your subsequent responses read as aggressive. Don't be surprised if other people react badly.

1. Grammar is very important. Correct use allows for greater subtlety of meaning and expression, and through familiarity and consistency it becomes invisible to the reader - and *that* is the ultimate goal. We don't write so that readers admire our grammar. We write so that readers are not distracted from the story by the grammar.

2. Plenty of authors have good reasons to be poor at grammar. Often they're not native English speakers, or they're dyslexic, or they're very new to writing and grammar simply hasn't been important before.

a. A teenager I know recently got very confused trying to read Frankenstein because they thought a comma necessarily meant a pause, when in fact two hundred years ago commas were used far more structurally.
b. There was a Twitter thread yesterday talking about how a certain generation uses ellipsis (...) for emphasis - they were taught not to use exclamation marks and so used the ellipsis instead.

3. Following on from the previous point: grammar is not an absolute. Style guides exist at major publishers in an attempt to bring some uniformity, but any attempt to adhere absolutely to grammar rules will ultimately get in the way of free expression in informal writing.

Ultimately, if you think your grammar is good enough and readers still complain about it, then you're in the wrong. If your grammar were truly good enough, the readers wouldn't notice it - except for pedants who should know better than to comment.

 

[Agiel]

English English and American English.

OK Bub. And that doesn't highlight all the missing punctuation marks.

You highlighted three things on the post by Born2Rebellis as faults but only two are incorrect. “Realise” is the correct spelling when written by a British writer whereas an American spells it “realize.” There are many words in which an American uses a Z whereas the S is used in the UK.

I had a story edited by an American (who did a splendid job) who highlighted every word they would have spelled with a Z as incorrect because they weren’t aware other countries spell words differently.

I dislike the word “gotten” being used instead of “got” but I accept it’s common usage in the US. So when an American writer uses it it’s no big deal. What does annoy me is when a British writer uses it. As long as any errors are minor and they don’t spoil the enjoyment of the reader it’s not all that important. Is it?

 

[rescatooor]

Honestly what makes anyone think they know the correct way to write?

The answer is because somebody told them so and they’re too institutionalised to see outside the box.

Do you go about stalling people in public mid conversation because they didn’t pause after a change of thought and provide you with paragraph? Lol life’s just too short for nitpicking, especially when you get the gist.

What’s more alarming is your defending a flawed language as it is where two words mean two different things amongst many, many idiosyncrasies, so your entire foundation and premise is flawed in the first place, even Shakespeare experimented with the language and if you people were around in his day you would have lambasted him

Good thing nobody remembers a single one of his critics. Lol remember that!!

My take is that all language is based on convention and agreement. Commas and full stops aren't part of spoken language but there is a need for them in the written representation of that language.

I am personally a sucker for good grammar, language and vocabulary. One could say they turn me on. To me, representation is just as important as the information that is being relayed. I can squint my eyes at occasional errors and read the text. I will probably mention them at the end, saying it's something the author might want to try and practice since then fewer people will pass on the great stories they are capable of telling.

Thing is that grammar and even composition and rhetorics are all something that can be learned by most of us. A good knowledge of them is fairly practical. For anyone who writes fiction or anything else at all, professionally or amateurishly, these are skills that are worth practicing. No one is born a blacksmith (or a wordsmith, for that matter), but practice will get you there.

 

[PrevertOne]

I like this thread. Grammar has always been a concern when I write. Not so much for perfection but whether I can use it for effect. It annoys me when I get feedback, and back and forth, focusing overmuch on grammar and not the quality of the story. I recognize the importance of grammar, yes, but I'm given to understand the rules of grammar are fluid. Sometimes you have to bend the rules to create an effect, that wouldn't necessarily work if you wrote a "correct" sentence. Some editors don't seem to recognize this. I get annoyed with editors who edit a story like a textbook. I hope to find editors who can balance the rules of grammar with the needs of storytelling.

 

[born2rebellis]

Perhaps the commenter didn't think the story was great and was being kind by focussing on spelling which can be easily fixed rather than a trite plot and uninteresting characters, which are much harder to fix.

Why are you afraid to tell us which story it is? Methinks there's a good chance it's a mediocre tale even if it were perfectly spelled.

LOL oooooo yes I’m terrified! Shaking in my boots haha, I can’t even remember the name of the story now, however it had many positive comments

I’m telling you now, there was no way this asshole was being kind by being condescending and belittling someone over a few typos!
Methinks you’re a paranoid/delusional thinking there’s some dark and sinister ulterior motive I’m withholding from you

You actually think I’d find some mediocre story and then go to effort of starting a thread over the mediocre story having some grammar nazi / troll act like a condensing twat to the author

Why would I bother in the first place if the story was mediocre? Where’s the logic behind that? That’s like me complaining over a car that was at the rubbish dump and somebody threw a rock at it

Are you suggesting I’m stupid are you? It appears that’s your insinuating, perhaps read over what you’re saying and really think about it before commenting

 

[born2rebellis]

My take is that all language is based on convention and agreement. Commas and full stops aren't part of spoken language but there is a need for them in the written representation of that language.

I am personally a sucker for good grammar, language and vocabulary. One could say they turn me on. To me, representation is just as important as the information that is being relayed. I can squint my eyes at occasional errors and read the text. I will probably mention them at the end, saying it's something the author might want to try and practice since then fewer people will pass on the great stories they are capable of telling.

Thing is that grammar and even composition and rhetorics are all something that can be learned by most of us. A good knowledge of them is fairly practical. For anyone who writes fiction or anything else at all, professionally or amateurishly, these are skills that are worth practicing. No one is born a blacksmith (or a wordsmith, for that matter), but practice will get you there.

Thanks for the comment, Oh I agree with you, I’m forever googling the meanings of words and looking to increase my vocabulary, I also enjoy hearing new words and phrases, however there’s a fine line, people often use vocabulary to create the illusion of intelligence by throwing abstract words around without actually making any points in an attempt to come across as ‘intellectuals’

I’m cool with people experimenting with vocabulary without coming across as some pretentious intellect and using grammar as a weapon to put others down and that’s all I’m getting at with this thread

I appreciate the response and once again, I totally agree with you, there’s nothing better then learning a new word and I have great respect for the language and vocabulary in general, criticism is warranted at times if people aren’t improving, as you pointed out with the blacksmith/wordsmith analogy, could you imagine a blacksmith who’s been at it for over 20 years, boasting about how much greater he is then someone who’s just started? That doesn’t make the beginner stupid, it would make the experienced blacksmith/wordsmith stupid for lack of understanding

And rather then point out any good the beginner black/smith wordsmith has done, to encourage them on their path, choose to be critical of minor flaws and completely ignore anything good the beginner has done which would only result in negative consequences on the beginner stemming from malicious intentions from the more experienced and that’s what I’m getting at.

 

[rescatooor]

LOL oooooo yes I’m terrified! Shaking in my boots haha, I can’t even remember the name of the story now, however it had many positive comments

I’m telling you now, there was no way this asshole was being kind by being condescending and belittling someone over a few typos!
Methinks you’re a paranoid/delusional thinking there’s some dark and sinister ulterior motive I’m withholding from you

You actually think I’d find some mediocre story and then go to effort of starting a thread over the mediocre story having some grammar nazi / troll act like a condensing twat to the author

Why would I bother in the first place if the story was mediocre? Where’s the logic behind that? That’s like me complaining over a car that was at the rubbish dump and somebody threw a rock at it

Are you suggesting I’m stupid are you? It appears that’s your insinuating, perhaps read over what you’re saying and really think about it before commenting

I think he's just saying one man's trash is another man's treasure. Very common at Lit, to be honest. I have been bored by highly-rated stories and preferred the 2 or 3 star stories instead.

And you know, that's fine. Some stories resonate with us, others don't. The commenter clearly did not like the story enough to ignore the grammar. And their opinion could be just as valid as yours.

 

[born2rebellis]

I like this thread. Grammar has always been a concern when I write. Not so much for perfection but whether I can use it for effect. It annoys me when I get feedback, and back and forth, focusing overmuch on grammar and not the quality of the story. I recognize the importance of grammar, yes, but I'm given to understand the rules of grammar are fluid. Sometimes you have to bend the rules to create an effect, that wouldn't necessarily work if you wrote a "correct" sentence. Some editors don't seem to recognize this. I get annoyed with editors who edit a story like a textbook. I hope to find editors who can balance the rules of grammar with the needs of storytelling.

Great comment and fantastic point, there’s times when you literally have to bend the rules to create fluid dialect before it becomes very much robotic like and text-book.

Not to mention bland, I enjoy putting my own sig on the language, I enjoy seeing ‘flaws’ which aren’t ‘flaws’ to me, I get what the person is saying and not going to act otherwise and play stupid like ‘I can’t read it’ boo hoo and go to the effort of being hypocritical and calling someone out on punctuation and grammar.

Lol that’s what I can’t stand, hypocrisy, anyone who calls out grammar errors is just a major hypocrite to me, not smart, it’s even more bizarre they choose to focus on grammar rather then content as you mentioned, these people really need to get their priorities straight, especially when they focus on grammar alone with demeaning undertones, I would say keep writing and not be deterred, I started this thread for people like yourself as I respect the craft of writing and wish to encourage anyone to continue to write not discourage them as I’ve seen so often on this forum, cheers.

 

[born2rebellis]

I think he's just saying one man's trash is another man's treasure. Very common at Lit, to be honest. I have been bored by highly-rated stories and preferred the 2 or 3 star stories instead.

And you know, that's fine. Some stories resonate with us, others don't. The commenter clearly did not like the story enough to ignore the grammar. And their opinion could be just as valid as yours.

One man’s trash is another man’s treasure without even seeing the story? Attempting to hold a crystal ball? What kind of mentalist nonsense is that.

“The commenter clearly did not enjoy the story enough to ignore the grammar” Is that so? You know what the commenters intentions were? You also hold a crystal ball and can read peoples minds? I don’t attempt to read peoples minds, but I’m aware of human nature and how people often shoot down others they feel threatened by
Bullying exists in many levels, especially on the internet, it’s a free reign, and quite telling when the person chooses to comment as anonymous isn’t it?

Let’s say you read a quality story, a hard hitting tale that was incredibly unique, and many people agreed
And you seen an ‘anonymous’ comment saying “learn to fking spell!, I couldn’t even read this shit’ And berating the person with exaggerated criticism over a few typos
That to me wouldn’t really be about the grammar, It’s more about the commenter feeling inferior or envious and feeling the need to shoot someone down whom they see as above themselves due to their complex

This happens in the work place all the time, I see it on a daily basis, assholes have NOTHIMG good to say about anyone only negative bullshit under the guise they’re ‘helping them’ when it’s just an elaborate and sinister plan to bully them because they feel threatened by the person who they view as above them and the same BS goes on here by the same like-minded folk

They proceed to act condescending and belittle others whilst never mentioning anythin good the author has done, their criticism of grammar is directed in an extremely harsh manor and further more this type of harassment is justified by fellow idiots on this forum? I was actually warned on reddit about LIt and the toxic amounts of trolls it contains

I won’t be putting any more threads up in the foreseeable future and will likely be muting my comments on stories just as I walk away from the same type of idiots I meet in my day to day life

I don’t wish to engage with mentally ill people who are corrupted beyond belief, I don’t need that kind of toxicity in my life

 

[rescatooor]

One man’s trash is another man’s treasure without even seeing the story? Attempting to hold a crystal ball? What kind of mentalist nonsense is that.

“The commenter clearly did not enjoy the story enough to ignore the grammar” Is that so? You know what the commenters intentions were? You also hold a crystal ball and can read peoples minds? I don’t attempt to read peoples minds, but I’m aware of human nature and how people often shoot down others they feel threatened by
Bullying exists in many levels, especially on the internet, it’s a free reign, and quite telling when the person chooses to comment as anonymous isn’t it?

Let’s say you read a quality story, a hard hitting tale that was incredibly unique, and many people agreed
And you seen an ‘anonymous’ comment saying “learn to fking spell!, I couldn’t even read this shit’ And berating the person with exaggerated criticism over a few typos
That to me wouldn’t really be about the grammar, It’s more about the commenter feeling inferior or envious and feeling the need to shoot someone down whom they see as above themselves due to their complex

I am speculating as much over the commenter's intentions as you are. Comments can be deleted. If the author doesn't see any credit to it, they can quietly do so. If they wanted to shoot them down, they can just one bomb.

 

[born2rebellis]

I am speculating as much over the commenter's intentions as you are. Comments can be deleted. If the author doesn't see any credit to it, they can quietly do so. If they wanted to shoot them down, they can just one bomb.

I’m not speculating I’m stating the obvious,


When you choose to comment as anonymous, and employ extremely harsh undertones with exaggerated and over the top ‘criticism’ at fellow authors whilst offering nothing encouraging at the greater good in which they’ve done that outweighs any typos or ‘grammos’ then it’s not really criticism, its the result of trolling or as I’ve called in this thread, the result of mental illness.

So I’m just clearing the air on that so anyone who would experiences this kind of atrocious trolling behaviour to not be deterred and think of it as their problem and feel like they’re inferior and stupid by design

Yes, when you’re reading something and it has that effect on you, then I assure you, it’s not designed to benefit you, lol there’s a way of doing things even when directing criticism and it’s called a tone and empathy and a willingness to actually want to see them improve not just spew mindless vitriol

 

[born2rebellis]

As far as “comments can be deleted” that doesn’t take it back, nor does it excuse it.


If I notice someone being bullied in the work place, I’m going to call it out not just tell the victim not to listen to it therefore it magically doesn’t exist anymore and isn’t happening

 

[rescatooor]

I’m not speculating I’m stating the obvious,


When you choose to comment as anonymous, and employ extremely harsh undertones with exaggerated and over the top ‘criticism’ at fellow authors whilst offering nothing encouraging at the greater good in which they’ve done that outweighs any typos or ‘grammos’ then it’s not really criticism, its the result of trolling or as I’ve called in this thread, the result of mental illness.

So I’m just clearing the air on that so anyone who would experiences this kind of atrocious trolling behaviour to not be deterred and think of it as their problem and feel like they’re inferior and stupid by design

Yes, when you’re reading something and it has that effect on you, then I assure you, it’s not designed to benefit you, lol there’s a way of doing things even when directing criticism and it’s called a tone and empathy and a willingness to actually want to see them improve not just spew mindless vitriol

It might be obvious to you but we have not seen the comment or the story.

Lots of people comment here as anonymous, mostly because they have no accounts. My experience with anonymous comments is that there are both good and bad comments in the mix. Some of them are nonsensical, even if they're neutral.

I have seen nasty comments here that were not by written by anonymous. Some might just complain about some mild violence in a story and use that as a justification to rate the story one star. It's their right to do so, even if it might not feel right to you or me. That still does not mean that these people were necessarily trolling. And for you to be able to tell, who is or isn't, is just reading into a magic ball.

 

[SimonDoom]

I’m not speculating I’m stating the obvious,


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Nothing is obvious. You have no idea what the mental processes, thoughts, intentions, or motives are of this commentator. You cannot possibly say, with any credibility, that they have a "mental illness." You accuse others of speculating, but that's what you are doing.

I'll note you still haven't provided a link to the story or the comment. We have no reason to take your word for the accuracy of your representation of the comment or of the quality of the story, because your own posts -- and your two stories, which were published only two days ago -- are so rife with fundamental punctuation and grammar errors that it calls your judgment on these issues into question.

I'm not trying to be belligerent with you, as you seem to wish to be belligerent with everyone who disagrees with you. I'm telling you the plain truth.

An author has no right to feel entitled to be taken seriously if the author does not show respect for the most elemental conventions of grammar and spelling and punctuation. I see writing as a form of communication between author and reader, and if the author's attitude toward grammar is "F#$% You" there's no reason for me to take that author seriously because that author doesn't take me, the reader, seriously.

It isn't all about you, the author.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'll add this, too, based on my experience, and in response to the theme that began this thread: that there are many ticky-tacky critical comments being made about grammar in wonderful, excellent stories.

In my experience as a reader on this Site for over almost 20 years and as an author for 5 five years, this is simply not true. The overwhelming number of comments about grammar, including comments about the grammar in my stories, are accurate, and I regard them as appropriately made and useful. If I make a grammar, spelling, or punctuation error, I want a reader to point it out to me, every single time. I don't care if it's an otherwise wonderful story. I learn from criticism, and my own belief is that writers should be adults, put aside their defensiveness, accept criticism, and learn from it as best they can.

 

[lifeis2short2b]

Frustrating

I do agree that misspelled words can be a distraction especially with spell check on every device available. Whats even more frustrating a year ago I submitted a story and it was denied. Not because of content or grammar or spelling. I really took my time and followed all criteria. Yet this was posted !When someone doesn't even bother to look at all the red lines on their story it shows lack of effort.
Also no one should pay any attention to an anonymous post.

 

[SimonDoom]

Also no one should pay any attention to an anonymous post.

I totally disagree with this. My view is it makes no difference whether it's anonymous or not. A comment stands or falls on its merits, not based on who makes it.

Most Literotica comments are anonymous, and most anonymous comments are positive. I see little difference in quality between anonymous comments and non-anonymous comments.

 

[windar]

I'll add this, too, based on my experience, and in response to the theme that began this thread: that there are many ticky-tacky critical comments being made about grammar in wonderful, excellent stories.

In my experience as a reader on this Site for over almost 20 years and as an author for 5 five years, this is simply not true. The overwhelming number of comments about grammar, including comments about the grammar in my stories, are accurate, and I regard them as appropriately made and useful. If I make a grammar, spelling, or punctuation error, I want a reader to point it out to me, every single time. I don't care if it's an otherwise wonderful story. I learn from criticism, and my own belief is that writers should be adults, put aside their defensiveness, accept criticism, and learn from it as best they can.

Certainly. If a story is good despite typos, it would be even better without them.

There are exceptions. If you have characters who could be expected to speak ungrammatically-say a gangster- then not only may you render their speech ungrammatically, you more or less have to. My co-author and I did a very successful story on another site, in which we had 18th century British sailors speaking in the dialect they would have used at the time (yes, we did some research). A commenter said, "Don't you use Spell Check?". In that case, that was a silly comment. Was this story a similar case? Since its title is a deep dark secret, who knows?

And of course there have been authors who invented words and grammatical constructions-James Joyce is probably the most famous example. He, of course, did it intentionally, not through sloppiness. And I have to say, if someone is as good as James Joyce, they would be foolish to waste their time posting here for free...

 

[Lifestyle66]

I saw a comment recently on a really great story, the story was incredible
And the first comment said “lots of spelling mistakes, hindered my ability to enjoy the story” it’s always under ‘anonymous’

I've realized with my own stories posted and receiving dozens of 1 ratings, nasty comments, 5 ratings, editors reviewing and saying "Good story, but not what I like to read", and even that the stories are TOO sex intensive ... there are a lot of different opinions about what is good or bad, and what distracts one is easily ignored by another.

So, don't "waist" your time critiquing what others might find annoying. If they are annoyed, it's just who they are. And you can't tell people to "Don't be who you are! Be like me!"

 

[born2rebellis]

It might be obvious to you but we have not seen the comment or the story.

Lots of people comment here as anonymous, mostly because they have no accounts. My experience with anonymous comments is that there are both good and bad comments in the mix. Some of them are nonsensical, even if they're neutral.

I have seen nasty comments here that were not by written by anonymous. Some might just complain about some mild violence in a story and use that as a justification to rate the story one star. It's their right to do so, even if it might not feel right to you or me. That still does not mean that these people were necessarily trolling. And for you to be able to tell, who is or isn't, is just reading into a magic ball.

I swear you’re the 4th person who’s said that, this is beginning to appear like a the children of the korn movie .

Are you capable of thinking hypothetically? Are you capable of thought? I’m not being critical of you, I’m just curious because it seems like you’re incapable of thought? As you’re unable to think of a situation and evaluate?

Not only that but if you were reading this thread you would have seen me respond to that exact same statement around 3 times now.

A ‘magic ball’ hmmmm, I’ve never heard of such thing,, I honestly find your very comment trolling, You completely ignore what I’m saying, most likely because you feel it’s an attack on your precious grammar god / foundation , you refuse to entertain a hypothesis and attempt to see my point and prefer to just comment to simply disagree me?
That’s ignorance at its finest, Ignorance or stupidity because you either can’t entertain a hypothesis or are simply incapable.


When somebody is using harsh undertones, exaggerated criticism, and abusive language to someone regarding grammar, which I see all the time in the comments on stories here, without saying anything good about their story, even if the story is good, even if the story isn’t

Then it’s still a form of harassment and bullying, it’s not ‘criticism’

What don’t you understand about that? I believe you’re simply being obtuse, I don’t believe you’re some clone that’s incapable of thought, maybe you are, This forum is either filled with clones or trolls