Anonymous grammar trolls?

[born2rebellis]

I saw a comment recently on a really great story, the story was incredible
And the first comment said “lots of spelling mistakes, hindered my ability to enjoy the story” it’s always under ‘anonymous’

LOL, literally zero feedback or anything constructive offered
It made me realise, with content that great why would anyone focus on a few slight spelling mistakes which are often just made from spellcheck anyway and not the writers fault and then missed through not fine comb proof reading 4 times?

I’ve had experienced editors still have sentences out of place
Even read books published by professionals that had mistakes
I believe it says more about the people that can’t overlook such things than material with the ‘mistakes’
Especially when these people are major hypocrites and act like they’ve never made a mistake before intended or unintended, they have zero sense of understanding and borderline mental issues like some weird obsessive compulsive thing
Therefore I believe the problem is with them and to not be deterred

I would like to say that the English dialect has changed so much over the years aswell and there’s really no such thing as ‘correct’ English.

The English language is ridiculous at its best to begin with and I wouldn’t even consider it to be ‘correct’ by its own standards let alone anyone else’s

Also, any story I posted on here wouldn’t be directed at such small minded idiots in the first place spelling mistakes or no spelling mistakes.

 

[windar]

I saw a comment recently on a really great story, the story was incredible
And the first comment said “lots of spelling mistakes, hindered my ability to enjoy the story” it’s always under ‘anonymous’ aswell
LOL, literally zero feedback or anything constructive offered
It made me realise, with content that great why would anyone focus on a few slight spelling mistakes which are often just made from spellcheck anyway and not the writers fault and then missed through not fine comb proof reading 4 times?
I’ve had experienced editors still have sentences out of place
Even read books published by professionals that had mistakes
I believe it says more about the people that can’t overlook such things than material with the ‘mistakes’
Especially when these people are major hypocrites and act like they’ve never made a mistake before intended or unintended, they have zero sense of understanding and borderline mental issues like some weird obsessive compulsive thing
Therefore I believe the problem is with them and to not be deterred

I would like to say that the English dialect has changed so much over the years aswell and there’s really no such thing as ‘correct’ English
The English language is ridiculous at its best to begin with and I wouldn’t even consider it to be ‘correct’ by its own standards let alone anyone else’s

Also, any story I posted on here wouldn’t be directed at such small minded idiots in the first place spelling mistakes or no spelling mistakes

"Pay more attention to spelling" is, in fact constructive criticism.

Honestly, it depends how frequent the spelling errors were, which I have no way of judging, nor do I have any way of judging whether it was indeed a really great story. If it really is great, then re-editing it to correct the spelling errors would be a good investment of time.

 

[born2rebellis]

You failed to understand anything I said or were simply being obtuse

Is not great content what stands out more then a slight typo? If not then the problem is with the nazi and falls into the mental disorder I was mentioning
Most people would admit that they come here to get their rocks off, over content, however it appears some people actually get off over correct punctuation which is also kind of disturbing to me

As far as constructive criticism goes, I wouldn’t say that, there’s no mention of the quality of the story , no mention of the story at all
Just negative attention towards slight typos and trolling remarks like “learn to smell” with negative condescending undertones that don’t encourage anyone at all, and only give the site a bad name and is a bad look
A rather toxic environment of harassment, and it speaks volumes these comments are under ‘anonymous’ and only proves my point as they’re just trolls

 

[born2rebellis]

Flawless punctuation and spelling has never made for good writing and good story telling, it never has and never will especially if the content is boring

“Omg, your grammar and punctuation in this story was amazing” said nobody ever

 

[SimonDoom]

You failed to understand anything I said or were simply being obtuse

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No, he didn't. He just has a difference of opinion.

People vary greatly in their tolerance for grammar, spelling, and punctuation mistakes. Many readers don't care. Speaking for myself, poor grammar, poor spelling, poor punctuation, careless tense shifts, and careless point-of-view shifts can significantly reduce my enjoyment of the story. I'm not wrong to feel that way, any more than someone with much laxer standards than mine is wrong.

I think there is a helpful middle ground on this issue. Grammar perfection should not be required at Literotica, and critics should be careful that their comments don't come across as pedantic demands for perfection. But it's just as wrong, in my view, to throw standards and conventions out the window and say they don't matter. Knowing, and knowing when and how to use, grammar conventions is part of the art of writing.

Saying that nobody calls a story great because of its grammar is a little like saying it doesn't matter whether a road is smooth or not. It's true, people don't usually notice when a road is smooth. But they notice when it gets bumpy. A smoother road makes a better ride, and smoother grammar makes a better read.

I note you didn't name the story or the comment, or link to it, so none of us can review and determine for ourselves whether our assessment of the comment and its opinion of the author's grammar would agree with yours.

 

[jaF0]

I saw a comment recently on a really great story, the story was incredible
And the first comment said “lots of spelling mistakes, hindered my ability to enjoy the story” it’s always under ‘anonymous’ aswell
LOL, literally zero feedback or anything constructive offered
It made me realise, with content that great why would anyone focus on a few slight spelling mistakes which are often just made from spellcheck anyway and not the writers fault and then missed through not fine comb proof reading 4 times?
I’ve had experienced editors still have sentences out of place
Even read books published by professionals that had mistakes
I believe it says more about the people that can’t overlook such things than material with the ‘mistakes’
Especially when these people are major hypocrites and act like they’ve never made a mistake before intended or unintended, they have zero sense of understanding and borderline mental issues like some weird obsessive compulsive thing
Therefore I believe the problem is with them and to not be deterred

I would like to say that the English dialect has changed so much over the years aswell and there’s really no such thing as ‘correct’ English
The English language is ridiculous at its best to begin with and I wouldn’t even consider it to be ‘correct’ by its own standards let alone anyone else’s

Also, any story I posted on here wouldn’t be directed at such small minded idiots in the first place spelling mistakes or no spelling mistakes

OK Bub. And that doesn't highlight all the missing punctuation marks.

 

[Thefireflies]

There is a study suggesting personality traits of a reader influences their reactions to typos and grammos (who knew grammos was a word?). Some people just can’t get over you’re when it should have been your. When reading stories, some people get so focused on the errors it ruins their reading experience. I think it may partly be the fact they feel they are editing the story in their head as they read. I know this happens to me sometimes, but then I ignore it (unless it's a published book, where I shake my head and wonder, how did this get past the editor?).

But some people might feel a need to respond, where they have genuine good intents, trying to improve a writer. I’ve had a few comments about my use of pronouns ‘me’ and ‘I’, some contradicting one another, but at least one anonymous has recently bothered to take the time to explain how to determine the correct usage, something I already knew but never bothered to implement because I personally didn’t give two shits about how people use the pronouns. But some people do care, so perhaps I should too, and so I’ve vowed to take more care in future and maybe improve my writing.

Hence, if criticism is constructive, or the intent is to help the writer improve, it’s not a bad thing. Yes, it would be nice if they’d make more comment on the actual story in addition to their gramma pedantry, but hey, feedback is feedback and not mandatory, where they bothered to read something to find the errors and cared enough to say something. But readers might like to remember they come here to read free stories provided by amateurs for the purpose of entertainment, and if they want perfect writing, go read a published book. But even there they may not find grammatical perfection, where mistakes get past editors and proof readers. I’ve caught errors in the works of big-name commercial authors before. Which makes me feel better about any mistakes I’ve missed after three or four proof-reads.

By the way, b2r, your lack of full-stops is triggering

 

[windar]

You failed to understand anything I said or were simply being obtuse

Is not great content what stands out more then a slight typo? If not then the problem is with the nazi and falls into the mental disorder I was mentioning
Most people would admit that they come here to get their rocks off, over content, however it appears some people actually get off over correct punctuation which is also kind of disturbing to me

As far as constructive criticism goes, I wouldn’t say that, there’s no mention of the quality of the story , no mention of the story at all
Just negative attention towards slight typos and trolling remarks like “learn to smell” with negative condescending undertones that don’t encourage anyone at all, and only give the site a bad name and is a bad look
A rather toxic environment of harassment, and it speaks volumes these comments are under ‘anonymous’ and only proves my point as they’re just trolls

Since you have provided neither a title nor a link, how do we know it's "great content"?

 

[lovecraft68]

There's an expression-very appropriate for today's generation of the professionally offended- If you look for something, you'll find it.

There are people here who scour stories for errors then cackle in glee as they comment about the error. These people are not here to do anything but put people down. Not only are they always anon, but odds are have never published anything in their lives.

For years I have gotten feedback from who I believe is the same person who will put the title of the story in the feedback, then proceed to list anything they saw as a grammar error, and all I can think is that person spent a lot of time on that and it was all wasted because as soon as I see what the message is I click off.

I do believe story telling is more important than grammar. Technical writing can be taught, story telling cannot. But there is a line between making an effort, but having some mistakes and saying "fuck it" and not trying at all.

 

[born2rebellis]

No, he didn't. He just has a difference of opinion.

People vary greatly in their tolerance for grammar, spelling, and punctuation mistakes. Many readers don't care. Speaking for myself, poor grammar, poor spelling, poor punctuation, careless tense shifts, and careless point-of-view shifts can significantly reduce my enjoyment of the story. I'm not wrong to feel that way, any more than someone with much laxer standards than mine is wrong.

I think there is a helpful middle ground on this issue. Grammar perfection should not be required at Literotica, and critics should be careful that their comments don't come across as pedantic demands for perfection. But it's just as wrong, in my view, to throw standards and conventions out the window and say they don't matter. Knowing, and knowing when and how to use, grammar conventions is part of the art of writing.

Saying that nobody calls a story great because of its grammar is a little like saying it doesn't matter whether a road is smooth or not. It's true, people don't usually notice when a road is smooth. But they notice when it gets bumpy. A smoother road makes a better ride, and smoother grammar makes a better read.

I note you didn't name the story or the comment, or link to it, so none of us can review and determine for ourselves whether our assessment of the comment and its opinion of the author's grammar would agree with yours.

There’s no need to be so literal, Can’t you have an opinion by viewing the matter just in general and think theoretically about the matter??


You see a story that is great with the occasional typo , and no reference in the comment about the story being great just a grammar nazi lambasting it

Why should I need to dig up the story again when you can just think theoretically about the situation

 

[born2rebellis]

There's an expression-very appropriate for today's generation of the professionally offended- If you look for something, you'll find it.

There are people here who scour stories for errors then cackle in glee as they comment about the error. These people are not here to do anything but put people down. Not only are they always anon, but odds are have never published anything in their lives.

For years I have gotten feedback from who I believe is the same person who will put the title of the story in the feedback, then proceed to list anything they saw as a grammar error, and all I can think is that person spent a lot of time on that and it was all wasted because as soon as I see what the message is I click off.

I do believe story telling is more important than grammar. Technical writing can be taught, story telling cannot. But there is a line between making an effort, but having some mistakes and saying "fuck it" and not trying at all.

Exactly my point technical writing can be taught creative ideas can not, therefore I feel technical writers use technicality to attack anything creative with slight typos as it somehow makes them feel better about their material being so boring

 

[TxRad]

There is an old saying: You get what you pay for. I do my best here on Lit where things are free. For my pay stuff, I have a professional editor and a dozen proof readers.

And there are still typos. Grammar is in the eye of the beholder. I write like people speak and that puts grammar out the window without a parachute.

 

[born2rebellis]

There's an expression-very appropriate for today's generation of the professionally offended- If you look for something, you'll find it.

There are people here who scour stories for errors then cackle in glee as they comment about the error. These people are not here to do anything but put people down. Not only are they always anon, but odds are have never published anything in their lives.

For years I have gotten feedback from who I believe is the same person who will put the title of the story in the feedback, then proceed to list anything they saw as a grammar error, and all I can think is that person spent a lot of time on that and it was all wasted because as soon as I see what the message is I click off.

I do believe story telling is more important than grammar. Technical writing can be taught, story telling cannot. But there is a line between making an effort, but having some mistakes and saying "fuck it" and not trying at all.

Thank you for observing my post, thinking about it and evaluating


And that’s the point I was making these trolls who are just out to put people down when they’re so hypocritical
There’s no need for assholes like this on this kind of platform as they only turn people off writing and there’s nothing constructive about them

 

[KeithD]

That acknowledged, if your stories are delivered like your posts are, they are really, really hard to read and challenging to bother to get to any content.

 

[born2rebellis]

There is an old saying: You get what you pay for. I do my best here on Lit where things are free. For my pay stuff, I have a professional editor and a dozen proof readers.

And there are still typos. Grammar is in the eye of the beholder. I write like people speak and that puts grammar out the window without a parachute.

Myself included, I like to write how I speak instead of typing like a robot and don’t care if that’s technically correct or not as if we all typed the same it would be so boring and flavourless which is what these kind of grammar nazis are after as it matches their material, as soon as they see anything slightly more creative that’s less technical they feel threatened by it and go about putting people down.

The other point I was making is how there’s no such thing as correct dialect, I’ve read many old books where the spelling of the words are now they’re pronounced and this gives it character and style and is less robotic however by today’s standards it’s deemed technically incorrect.

Honestly if we all spoke the same what a boring world that would be and I guess I’m
Drawing the line with it.

As most spelling errors occur through spellcheck so these hypocrites can just get their head around that as times money here, I’m not painstakingly proof reading a story of mine with 8000 words 10 times before I submit it

Only then to get it published and did another error and re edit it when people can just over look it

I’m not panning to peoples mental health problems nor will be ran down on behalf of their mental health problems and will call this out for what it is .

 

[born2rebellis]

That acknowledged, if your stories are delivered like your posts are, they are really, really hard to read and challenging to bother to get to any content.

Was this directed at me? If you’re finding this difficult to read then I suggest you get an eye test as it’s not my English that’s the problem nor will I accept unwarranted put downs.

I’m content with who I am and in my ability to write, does this offend you that I don’t feel demoralised like you intend me to be? That I don’t feel belittled and inferior?

 

[KeithD]

Myself included, I like to write how I speak instead of typing like a robot and don’t care if that’s technically correct or not as if we all typed the same it would be so boring and flavourless which is what these kind of grammar nazis are after as it matches their material as soon as they see anything slightly more creative that’s less technical they feel threatened by it and go about putting people down .

Now you're revealing a disregard for basic reader understanding, and I think you've lost the justification of your argument. I don't think you're really talking about grammar nazis anymore (and you haven't identified a story example of what has set you off). *shrug*

 

[KeithD]

Was this directed at me?

Yep, and I've lost interest in your claimed issue.

 

[born2rebellis]

Yep, and I've lost interest in your claimed issue.

“Justification”

 

[born2rebellis]

Yep, and I've lost interest in your claimed issue.

Now you're revealing a disregard for basic reader understanding, and I think you've lost the justification of your argument. I don't think you're really talking about grammar nazis anymore (and you haven't identified a story example of what has set you off). *shrug*

It’s hilarious to me you attempt to speak on behalf of millions of ‘basic readers’ to justify your subjective opinion. LOL

 

[jaF0]

If you’re finding this difficult to read then I suggest you get an eye test as it’s not my English that’s the problem nor will I accept unwarranted put downs.

Myself and at least two others have made note of your numerous errors.

 

[born2rebellis]

Now you're revealing a disregard for basic reader understanding, and I think you've lost the justification of your argument. I don't think you're really talking about grammar nazis anymore (and you haven't identified a story example of what has set you off). *shrug*

And in general, it seems you are incapable of thinking theoretically and evaluating a situation?

That to me shows incredible lack of imagination as require me to take something and draw it on a blackboard with instructions in order for you to ATTEMPT to understand it


BTW. This isn’t an argument lol, the intention of my post was to put VALID points across as nothing is set in stone for me nor do I hold a ‘right or wrong’ mentality as there’s no such thing only according to standards set by society, rules are meant to be broken and language is meant to be experimented with I don’t follow any guidelines or instruction manual, and I don’t care for readers that do.

 

[born2rebellis]

Myself and at least two others have made note of your numerous errors.

LMAO so what? That still isn’t an accurate assumption of ‘the basic reader’ as by your own logic there’s people in this post who agree with me LOL

And I couldn’t care that you don’t to be honest as I still got your attention didn’t i? Why did I get your attention? Because of my ‘terrible writing that’s so hard to understand’ LOL

 

[KeithD]

Did you miss that part of my losing interest in your issue, which I'm not finding to be the issue you're claiming it is?

 

[born2rebellis]

Honestly what makes anyone think they know the correct way to write?

The answer is because somebody told them so and they’re too institutionalised to see outside the box.

Do you go about stalling people in public mid conversation because they didn’t pause after a change of thought and provide you with paragraph? Lol life’s just too short for nitpicking, especially when you get the gist.

What’s more alarming is your defending a flawed language as it is where two words mean two different things amongst many, many idiosyncrasies, so your entire foundation and premise is flawed in the first place, even Shakespeare experimented with the language and if you people were around in his day you would have lambasted him

Good thing nobody remembers a single one of his critics. Lol remember that!!