Putin Denies A Coup Attempt, What Do You Think?

[Rightguide]

Putin just moved 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian Border. Is he bluffing, or is he about to take advantage of Joe Biden?:

Ukraine's Zelenskyy alleges coup will be attempted against him next week; Russia denies involvement
Putin spokesman says Russia 'never does such things at all'
By Jessica Chasmar | Fox News

Russia has denied any involvement after Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that an attempted coup d'etat is being planned in his country to take place next week.

Zelenskyy told reporters that Ukraine had uncovered a plot for an attempted coup and that Ukrainians and Russians were involved, The Washington Post reported. While he also spoke of a threat of military escalation from Russia, he fell short of accusing the Kremlin of an involvement in the planned coup, according to Reuters.

"We have challenges not only from the Russian Federation and possible escalation – we have big internal challenges. I received information that a coup d'etat will take place in our country on Dec. 1-2," Zelenskyy said, adding that his country was prepared for any escalation, Reuters reported.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, denied Russia’s involvement in any coup against Ukraine.

"Russia had no plans to get involved. Russia never does such things at all," Peskov said Friday, according to state media.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-zelenskyy-coup-next-week-russia-denies

 

[pecksniff]

I think a coup can't happen if the government sees it coming. Wouldn't put it past Putin to try one, but in this case he'd better give up on it.

 

[LupusDei]

Even a failed coup attempt, or even a false, alleged coup attempt may play right on to Putin's goals.

The current assessment is that Putin is building up for military action against Ukraine sometime January--February. I can -- somewhat -- buy the notion he's free to move his troops inside his country however he wishes, and he has played such games before, but some recent developments are troubling.

However, it's somewhat hard to imagine that even after wide publicity of the allegations they just do and move through with the plan. Even so -- and as always -- Putin needs some kind of excuse, if not otherwise then for internal consumption.

A staged coup can offer opportunities to claim hurrying in to protect "national brothers" or something. Even if an alleged conspiracy results in nothing but heavy handed police actions against certain people or organizations.

 

[WillJ8787]

Even a failed coup attempt, or even a false, alleged coup attempt may play right on to Putin's goals.

The current assessment is that Putin is building up for military action against Ukraine sometime January--February. I can -- somewhat -- buy the notion he's free to move his troops inside his country however he wishes, and he has played such games before, but some recent developments are troubling.

However, it's somewhat hard to imagine that even after wide publicity of the allegations they just do and move through with the plan. Even so -- and as always -- Putin needs some kind of excuse, if not otherwise then for internal consumption.

A staged coup can offer opportunities to claim hurrying in to protect "national brothers" or something. Even if an alleged conspiracy results in nothing but heavy handed police actions against certain people or organizations.

Yep, I agree with you...a staged coup to get opposition forces moving....then he sweeps in saying he has to defend "allies" from these evil outside forces.

 

[pecksniff]

Even a failed coup attempt, or even a false, alleged coup attempt may play right on to Putin's goals.

The current assessment is that Putin is building up for military action against Ukraine sometime January--February.

Why? Hasn't he already grabbed all the Ukrainian territory he wants?

 

[Rightguide]

Why? Hasn't he already grabbed all the Ukrainian territory he wants?

I think he wants the entire enchilada.

 

[pecksniff]

I think he wants the entire enchilada.

What, the whole old territory of the USSR, or of the Russian Empire? Seriously? That would be a very quixotic ambition. I doubt he'll ever even manage to annex Belarus. (Not that it isn't a Russian puppet state already.) And what approach could he possibly take to reconquer Central Asia? (We should ask Borat about that.)

What Russia has now is a large sphere within which Russia has trade advantages, because of geographic proximity and historic ties, and because everybody still speaks Russian as a second language. I daresay most Russians, if asked, would be entirely satisfied with that.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Putin just moved 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian Border. Is he bluffing, or is he about to take advantage of Joe Biden?:

Ukraine's Zelenskyy alleges coup will be attempted against him next week; Russia denies involvement
Putin spokesman says Russia 'never does such things at all'
By Jessica Chasmar | Fox News

Russia has denied any involvement after Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that an attempted coup d'etat is being planned in his country to take place next week.

Zelenskyy told reporters that Ukraine had uncovered a plot for an attempted coup and that Ukrainians and Russians were involved, The Washington Post reported. While he also spoke of a threat of military escalation from Russia, he fell short of accusing the Kremlin of an involvement in the planned coup, according to Reuters.

"We have challenges not only from the Russian Federation and possible escalation – we have big internal challenges. I received information that a coup d'etat will take place in our country on Dec. 1-2," Zelenskyy said, adding that his country was prepared for any escalation, Reuters reported.

Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, denied Russia’s involvement in any coup against Ukraine.

"Russia had no plans to get involved. Russia never does such things at all," Peskov said Friday, according to state media.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-zelenskyy-coup-next-week-russia-denies

Why don't you just move to Russia so that you can worship his commie ass in person?! He still has his commie card in his wallet, just like you.

 

[pecksniff]

Why don't you just move to Russia so that you can worship his commie ass in person?! He still has his commie card in his wallet, just like you.

Actually, as I understand it, there is still a Russian Communist Party, but it is Putin's main opposition.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Actually, as I understand it, there is still a Russian Communist Party, but it is Putin's main opposition.

It's not about the philosophy of communism. It's about who he really is and what he values. He is still KGB Colonel Putin. Kind of like Marines, once a Marine, always a Marine.

 

[pecksniff]

It's not about the philosophy of communism. It's about who he really is and what he values. He is still KGB Colonel Putin. Kind of like Marines, once a Marine, always a Marine.

So, the so-called Communists were always really just Russian nationalists and imperialists?

That's not hard to believe, actually, in light of Soviet history, or of Communism in general -- Communism is internationalist in theory, but Communists in power have always acted like nationalists, putting their own country's interests ahead of any notion of international proletarian solidarity. Did Stalin impose Communist governments on Eastern Europe for the sake of the Revolution? More likely he just wanted a buffer zone against any future invasions from the west.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Right-wing posters like the OP want everyone to believe that Russia, in practice, is different from the Soviet Union.

 

[pecksniff]

Right-wing posters like the OP want everyone to believe that Russia, in practice, is different from the Soviet Union.

Actually, it seems like they want everyone to believe it's the same.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Actually, it seems like they want everyone to believe it's the same.

Then we should agree to disagree.

 

[colddiesel]

Actually, as I understand it, there is still a Russian Communist Party, but it is Putin's main opposition.

Wake up! In Putin's Empire the Communist party is the only opposition that is tolerated. It is of course totally ineffectual.

 

[pecksniff]

Then we should agree to disagree.

Since you live in Latvia I am usually ready to defer to your judgment about Russian politics -- but this is a question of American politics.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

It's a coup in russia and klanguide still made it about biden. Talk about BDS.

 

[pecksniff]

It's a coup in russia and klanguide still made it about biden. Talk about BDS.

No, it's a coup in Ukraine, and not even that looks like it's going to happen.

 

[LupusDei]

Why? Hasn't he already grabbed all the Ukrainian territory he wants?

For starters, Crimea is running out of water. There is a channel build that bring it in, but Ukrainians closed that. So that's the practical minimum. Next is, overland access to Crimea. They built a long bridge (that was planned for over a century, and of course it was extremely expensive because there was Putin's friend in charge squandering budget monies), but they would like to take the whole coast connecting Donetsk and Crimea, that includes a major city and minor port Mariopol with has Ukrainian nationalist majority. Third is to deny Ukraine joining NATO. Fourth, regain control over Ukraine.

What, the whole old territory of the USSR, or of the Russian Empire? Seriously? That would be a very quixotic ambition. I doubt he'll ever even manage to annex Belarus. (Not that it isn't a Russian puppet state already.) And what approach could he possibly take to reconquer Central Asia? (We should ask Borat about that.)

Belarus is in special united quasi-state with Russia already. Lukashenko is Putin's governor, an ambitious and a bit unruly one he can't really fire as easily as most (believe me he tried, Btjka killed one of Putin's guys and dropped another in jail right before the last elections). Still, Putin then helped Lukashenko to deal with protests against the rigged election, and can move his army around in Belarus as he wishes.

And yes, at large we talk about ambition to take all the empire back to the maximum extent. Yes, that includes Poland eventually. But the immediate targets are Ukraine and Georgia. Baltic states are high on the list afterwards.

So, the so-called Communists were always really just Russian nationalists and imperialists?

Actually they were/are. Political ideology and nationalism are independent dimensions. The official communist party line was way more lenient against national minorities than prior or current government stance, but russification policy in all Soviet republics was still heavy and very deliberate.

Since you live in Latvia I am usually ready to defer to your judgment about Russian politics -- but this is a question of American politics.

You're mixing up shit again. It's me the Latvian.

 

[LupusDei]

It's a coup in russia and klanguide still made it about biden. Talk about BDS.

If he really wants to bring Biden in the discussion.... he should talk about how Biden's hawkish rhetoric about sending weapons to Ukraine is provoking Russia, tramping on their national interest defined "Red Lines" unlike Trump's "reasonable" peace seeking politics that seek previously promised package withhold (...of course that was actually done in stupid huff out of strictly personal interest and with zero considerations about far going consequences).

 

[mayfly13]

For starters, Crimea is running out of water. There is a channel build that bring it in, but Ukrainians closed that. So that's the practical minimum. Next is, overland access to Crimea. They built a long bridge (that was planned for over a century, and of course it was extremely expensive because there was Putin's friend in charge squandering budget monies), but they would like to take the whole coast connecting Donetsk and Crimea, that includes a major city and minor port Mariopol with has Ukrainian nationalist majority. Third is to deny Ukraine joining NATO. Fourth, regain control over Ukraine.

Out of the countries open to the Black Sea,
I just read that American-led NATO naval forces have military bases in Romania and Bulgaria, both of which are NATO members.

Not sure about Turkey's allegiances.
On one hand it is a NATO member.
But I also understand that Erdogan was pissed off that Americans &EU armed Kurdish separatists in Syria, which ended up ominously amassing near the Turkish border, leading to Erdogan's incursion in Syria 2 years ago.

 

[pecksniff]

Out of the countries open to the Black Sea,
I just read that American-led NATO naval forces have military bases in Romania and Bulgaria, both of which are NATO members.

Not sure about Turkey's allegiances.
On one hand it is a NATO member.
But I also understand that Erdogan was pissed off that Americans &EU armed Kurdish separatists in Syria, which ended up ominously amassing near the Turkish border, leading to Erdogan's incursion in Syria 2 years ago.

The Kurds of northeastern Syria had established a de facto autonomous state called Rojava -- wonder how that stands now?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Since you live in Latvia I am usually ready to defer to your judgment about Russian politics -- but this is a question of American politics.

O.k, let me try another way. Russian politics aside, in regard to Russia's relationship and intent to its global neighbors, do you believe that there is a significant difference between Russia and the Soviet Union?

 

[pecksniff]

O.k, let me try another way. Russian politics aside, in regard to Russia's relationship and intent to its global neighbors, do you believe that there is a significant difference between Russia and the Soviet Union?

Only that they have almost certainly given up any hope of global hegemony. The Chinese think in those terms, now, or say they do, but the Russians don't, any more. There was a time when it was (or seemed) possible Communism would triumph, and a Communist world would be Russian-led by default.

See Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

No, it's a coup in Ukraine, and not even that looks like it's going to happen.

Shaddup.