Foreign disinformation driving American vaccine resistance

[mayfly13]

"On May 18, German social media influencer Mirko Drotschmann was contacted by an advertising company called Fazze, offering him compensation to disparage U.S. COVID-19 vaccines.
The same thing happened to some colleagues in France.

“The website said it was located in the U.K., but (...) when I did some research, I found out that this agency had a connection to a bigger agency in Russia, called ADNow.”
During the course of multiple investigations, intelligence and police authorities noted similarities between the Fazze disinformation campaign and the Russian government’s Sputnik V Twitter feed.

Late last year, the State Department released a report exposing the Kremlin’s use of evolving digital technology to amplify divisions among Americans.
And COVID-19 is a popular theme: Dozens of social media platforms are exploited to inundate millions of Americans, often without their knowledge, with anti-vaccine messaging.

“I’ve never seen the Soviet Union or Russia this effective in their covert action campaigns,” said former CIA covert operative Robert Baer.
Baer and many other intelligence experts and officials believe this campaign was designed to do three things: divide Americans, physically harm or kill Americans and promote Russia’s own vaccine.


https://wtop.com/j-j-green-national...ormation-driving-american-vaccine-resistance/

 

[mayfly13]

I get a bit irked from time to time by the fact that "Counsellor 738", an obvious paid poster, floods the board with C&P links to Right wing sites.

But it's more about me than him, I shouldn't act like the Board monitor especially since many posters seem to enjoy his threads.

However, his latest moves (to start ++ anti-masks/vaxx threads) made me confused and curious, instead of angry:
why is someone who's role is to promote the Republican party, be so interested in promoting covid conspiracy theories?

So I researched & came across this great article.

 

[BidudeinWi]

I get a bit irked from time to time by the fact that "Counsellor 738", an obvious paid poster, floods the board with C&P links to Right wing sites.

But it's more about me than him, I shouldn't act like the Board monitor especially since many posters seem to enjoy his threads.

However, his latest moves (to start ++ anti-masks/vaxx threads) made me confused and curious, instead of angry:
why is someone who's role is to promote the Republican party, be so interested in promoting covid conspiracy theories?

So I researched & came across this great article.

Yet another ignorant lemming who believes what his government says! What a moron!

 

[pecksniff]

Why would Russia want to spread covid-vaccine disinformation here? Have they got their own vaccine and they're fighting for market share, or what?

 

[BidudeinWi]

"On May 18, German social media influencer Mirko Drotschmann was contacted by an advertising company called Fazze, offering him compensation to disparage U.S. COVID-19 vaccines.
The same thing happened to some colleagues in France.

“The website said it was located in the U.K., but (...) when I did some research, I found out that this agency had a connection to a bigger agency in Russia, called ADNow.”
During the course of multiple investigations, intelligence and police authorities noted similarities between the Fazze disinformation campaign and the Russian government’s Sputnik V Twitter feed.

Late last year, the State Department released a report exposing the Kremlin’s use of evolving digital technology to amplify divisions among Americans.
And COVID-19 is a popular theme: Dozens of social media platforms are exploited to inundate millions of Americans, often without their knowledge, with anti-vaccine messaging.

“I’ve never seen the Soviet Union or Russia this effective in their covert action campaigns,” said former CIA covert operative Robert Baer.
Baer and many other intelligence experts and officials believe this campaign was designed to do three things: divide Americans, physically harm or kill Americans and promote Russia’s own vaccine.


https://wtop.com/j-j-green-national...ormation-driving-american-vaccine-resistance/

You dipshits are just sooo far gone, you just cannot believe that intelligent people can think for themselves and don’t need to be told what to do for their own good! We don’t need “foreign” anything! ICYMI, over 100K medical professionals including nurses and MD’s, would rather be fired that get stuck with that poisen! That SHOULD alarm you, but it won’t! “Vaccinated” pose more of a risk to EVERYONE, than the un-vaccinated, should they get covid again, which if they’ve been “vaccinated” shouldn’t happen but it is, because they carry a MUCH higher viral load than a person, unvaccinated but having survived covid, does! They spread the virus MUCH more easily and THEY should be on lock down due to the risk they pose to the rest of us!

 

[pecksniff]

You dipshits are just sooo far gone, you just cannot believe that intelligent people can think for themselves and don’t need to be told what to do for their own good! We don’t need “foreign” anything! ICYMI, over 100K medical professionals including nurses and MD’s, would rather be fired that get stuck with that poisen! That SHOULD alarm you, but it won’t! “Vaccinated” pose more of a risk to EVERYONE, than the un-vaccinated, should they get covid again, which if they’ve been “vaccinated” shouldn’t happen but it is, because they carry a MUCH higher viral load than a person, unvaccinated but having survived covid, does! They spread the virus MUCH more easily and THEY should be on lock down due to the risk they pose to the rest of us!

Argumentum ex culo.

 

[BidudeinWi]

Argumentum ex culo.

Blah blah blah, go fuck your dog with that peckerthatcan’tgetstiff!! Did I say “dog?” Meant your wife. How did THAT come out????

 

[mayfly13]

You dipshits are just sooo far gone, you just cannot believe that intelligent people can think for themselves

bwahaha

 

[mayfly13]

Why would Russia want to spread covid-vaccine disinformation here? Have they got their own vaccine and they're fighting for market share, or what?

It's BEEN demonstrated that some of the anti-mask/vaxx propaganda in Western media originates from Russia.

I just think they want to increase the splitting and chaos, and keep you divided.
Look at you guys, nothing can get done:
One governor starts a lockdowns, so that tthe cases in community die out, then the anti-masker morons organize back to back protests and meetings, which turn you back to square one. All that economic sacrifice for nothing.

As for the US, I keep wondering what % of demonstrators are being paid by right-wing parties.

 

[pecksniff]

It's BEEN demonstrated that some of the anti-mask/vaxx propaganda in Western media originates from Russia.

I just think they want to increase the splitting and chaos, and keep you divided.

But, why would the Russians want that?

 

[mayfly13]

But, why would the Russians want that?

Yeah, I'm unclear too how increasing the anarchy and chaos in the US, benefits Russia.

But apparently they've been doing it for years, now with covid too, according to Robert Baer and other intell. members.

 

[butters]

But, why would the Russians want that?

Yeah, I'm unclear too how increasing the anarchy and chaos in the US, benefits Russia.

But apparently they've been doing it for years, now with covid too, according to Robert Baer and other intell. members.

because sowing division amongst americans makes them look weaker on the world stage, which is a political advantage to russia, of course. the same kind of disinformation that almost cost america its democratic republican standing on jan.6th.

when american allies lose faith in the 'leader of the free world' and division allows its enemies (politically/ideologically/financially) to exploit weaknesses created in american security, putin has a big old smile on his face.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Holy Fuck!
You Republicans USED to know Russians
Now? You have they think Russians are nice? The Russian People? Sure
Russians?
Fuck no
They have not changed
Putin is still KGB raised and bred

 

[colddiesel]

Yet another ignorant lemming who believes what his government says! What a moron!

And your clear preference is to believe what Putin's Russia says.

Of course Russia has increased its disinformation since their agent Trump lost the election.

 

[mayfly13]

because sowing division amongst americans makes them look weaker on the world stage, which is a political advantage to russia, of course. the same kind of disinformation that almost cost america its democratic republican standing on jan.6th.

when american allies lose faith in the 'leader of the free world' and division allows its enemies (politically/ideologically/financially) to exploit weaknesses created in american security, putin has a big old smile on his face.

And the ultra-rich.
All this bickering racists versus non-racists, socialists versus corporatists, pro-vaxers versus anti-vaxers keeps Americans from getting anything done.

 

[mayfly13]

Btw there's also this contradiction :
-- On the one hand much of the anti-mask/anti-vax propaganda centers around "covid is just like the flu, no big deal"
-- but the same people claim it was a lab leak (I happen to agree with that) and want China to be held responsible.
"Responsible for what?" If, -according to them- covid is no big deal.

Also this:
How Fox News Pushes COVID Misinformation While Privately Vaccinating Its Employees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCHgskxAaO0

 

[pecksniff]

Yeah, I'm unclear too how increasing the anarchy and chaos in the US, benefits Russia.

But apparently they've been doing it for years, now with covid too, according to Robert Baer and other intell. members.

Institutional inertia, I suppose. If the guiding international-relations goal of your government has for decades been "fuck over the USA," it might take a lot more than a regime change to change that course.

 

[ishtat]

1 USA
2 China
3 Japan
4 Germany
5 UK
6 India
7 France
8 Italy
9 Canada
10 South Korea
11 Russia
12 Brazil
13 Australia
14 Spain
15 Indonesia

This is a list of the top 15 GDP's in the world. Russia is placed 11th, below Italy Canada and South Korea, with a GDP about 7% that of the USA's. That is Russia's and Putin's problem. They are no longer a first rate power or even second rate.

The spreading of mis-information is a cheap way for a third rater like Russia to throw her weight around, to pretend they are still important. She can still bully her immediate smaller neighbors in the Baltic or Ukraine but she is retreating everywhere else. In Central Asia for example 2/3 years ago, Kyrgizstan asked for help to quell a rebellion. Russia declined - she could not afford it.

Russia was encouraged by the fawning former US. President and it will probably take a generation for her irrelevance to sink in. At the same time China will come to dominate them militarily in the East while the Western economies continue to out perform them.

Putin is a con man with limited real power options.

 

[ll74]

It doesnt cost much to employ a bunch of hackers.

Warfare just ain't what it used to be

1 USA
2 China
3 Japan
4 Germany
5 UK
6 India
7 France
8 Italy
9 Canada
10 South Korea
11 Russia
12 Brazil
13 Australia
14 Spain
15 Indonesia

This is a list of the top 15 GDP's in the world. Russia is placed 11th, below Italy Canada and South Korea, with a GDP about 7% that of the USA's. That is Russia's and Putin's problem. They are no longer a first rate power or even second rate.

The spreading of mis-information is a cheap way for a third rater like Russia to throw her weight around, to pretend they are still important. She can still bully her immediate smaller neighbors in the Baltic or Ukraine but she is retreating everywhere else. In Central Asia for example 2/3 years ago, Kyrgizstan asked for help to quell a rebellion. Russia declined - she could not afford it.

Russia was encouraged by the fawning former US. President and it will probably take a generation for her irrelevance to sink in. At the same time China will come to dominate them militarily in the East while the Western economies continue to out perform them.

Putin is a con man with limited real power options.

 

[Champakian]

It's all bullshit.

We don't need Russia to create an artificial fear of
the union between Big Government and Big Pharma...

On any given day you can get a real feel for this on this board.

 

[mayfly13]

1 USA
2 China
3 Japan
4 Germany
5 UK
6 India
7 France
8 Italy
9 Canada
10 South Korea
11 Russia
12 Brazil
13 Australia
14 Spain
15 Indonesia

This is a list of the top 15 GDP's in the world. Russia is placed 11th, below Italy Canada and South Korea, with a GDP about 7% that of the USA's. That is Russia's and Putin's problem. They are no longer a first rate power or even second rate.

The spreading of mis-information is a cheap way for a third rater like Russia to throw her weight around, to pretend they are still important. She can still bully her immediate smaller neighbors in the Baltic or Ukraine but she is retreating everywhere else. In Central Asia for example 2/3 years ago, Kyrgizstan asked for help to quell a rebellion. Russia declined - she could not afford it.

Russia was encouraged by the fawning former US. President and it will probably take a generation for her irrelevance to sink in. At the same time China will come to dominate them militarily in the East while the Western economies continue to out perform them.

Putin is a con man with limited real power options.

Yes, he IS a con man, but a clever one.
He surrounded himself with Western-educated, modern young KGB members and branding specialists.


For example:
Besides the clever dissemination of half-truths and anarchy in the West:

Ever watched Russia Today?
It's brilliant.
---Not the News section, which is too blatant propaganda.
The Op-Eds and Shows sections (ie On Contact with Chris Hedges, Renegade with Ross Ashcroft and others)
They mostly invite British and American public intellectuals and philosophers, who are critical of their corruption but are suppressed by lack of a platform in their countries.
-- And the way in which he have asylum to Snowden and tried to rescue Assange, when no other country would.

What could be any better for k.o.-ing the image of the rough, uneducated, vodka-drinking totalitarian savage that Westerners have about Russia.....




What made me chuckle tho, was RT's silence about Pandora Papers, which name both Putin and his girlfriend in the tax-evasion +/- money laundering schemes.