Internationalism: Where can I find some?

[pecksniff]

Communism was always internationalist in theory (in practice, Communists in power always acted like nationalists, putting their own countries' interests ahead of any notion of international proletarian solidarity), but it's too thoroughly discredited now.

And neoliberalism limits its globalism to trade.

Are there any other political movements or ideologies with One World as their goal?

 

[pecksniff]

Nobody knows?

 

[pecksniff]

This is not a new idea. As Orwell wrote in his essay "Wells, Hitler and the World State" in 1941:

What has Wells to set against the ‘screaming little defective in Berlin’? The usual rigmarole about a World State, plus the Sankey Declaration, which is an attempted definition of fundamental human rights, of anti-totalitarian tendency. Except that he is now especially concerned with federal world control of air power, it is the same gospel as he has been preaching almost without interruption for the past forty years, always with an air of angry surprise at the human beings who can fail to grasp anything so obvious.

What is the use of saying that we need federal world control of the air? The whole question is how we are to get it. What is the use of pointing out that a World State is desirable? What matters is that not one of the five great military powers would think of submitting to such a thing. All sensible men for decades past have been substantially in agreement with what Mr. Wells says; but the sensible men have no power and, in too many cases, no disposition to sacrifice themselves. Hitler is a criminal lunatic, and Hitler has an army of millions of men, aeroplanes in thousands, tanks in tens of thousands. For his sake a great nation has been willing to overwork itself for six years and then to fight for two years more, whereas for the common-sense, essentially hedonistic world-view which Mr. Wells puts forward, hardly a human creature is willing to shed a pint of blood. Before you can even talk of world reconstruction, or even of peace, you have got to eliminate Hitler, which means bringing into being a dynamic not necessarily the same as that of the Nazis, but probably quite as unacceptable to ‘enlightened’ and hedonistic people. What has kept England on its feet during the past year? In part, no doubt, some vague idea about a better future, but chiefly the atavistic emotion of patriotism, the ingrained feeling of the English-speaking peoples that they are superior to foreigners. For the last twenty years the main object of English left-wing intellectuals has been to break this feeling down, and if they had succeeded, we might be watching the S.S. men patrolling the London streets at this moment. Similarly, why are the Russians fighting like tigers against the German invasion? In part, perhaps, for some half-remembered ideal of Utopian Socialism, but chiefly in defence of Holy Russia (the ‘sacred soil of the Fatherland’, etc. etc.), which Stalin has revived in an only slightly altered from. The energy that actually shapes the world springs from emotions — racial pride, leader-worship, religious belief, love of war — which liberal intellectuals mechanically write off as anachronisms, and which they have usually destroyed so completely in themselves as to have lost all power of action.

But times have changed. Things like "racial pride, leader-worship, religious belief, love of war" really do seem like anachronisms now. Except for religious belief, which I suppose will always be with us, there is no public figure willing to openly defend such things.

 

[pecksniff]

The "New World Order" was never what conspiracy theorists believed -- but, if it were, why should anybody have anything against it?

 

[CornusKousa]

Communism was always internationalist in theory (in practice, Communists in power always acted like nationalists, putting their own countries' interests ahead of any notion of international proletarian solidarity), but it's too thoroughly discredited now.

And neoliberalism limits its globalism to trade.

Are there any other political movements or ideologies with One World as their goal?

They're called the Borg, and they're the bad guys.

The world is awesome because diversity, "one world" would suck.

 

[oggbashan]

The (British) Commonwealth of Nations - a loose alliance of 54 countries that try to share the same values and parliamentary systems (more or less).

https://thecommonwealth.org/

My father, and his older brother before him, as retied senior British Civil servants, used to be the course directors for Commonwealth organised events.

Many African countries saw age as bringing wisdom - a myth - but as both were in their 80s, they were the oldest attending and had respect. They would give the opening and closing addresses and be available for advice throughout the courses. It extended beyond the Commonwealth so my father went to Cyprus, followed by teh Greece under the Colonels, Egypt and Israel. He had to have several passports because he couldn't be seen to have been in Egypt just before Israel.

Othe people, usually retired senior British Judges. would give Commonwealth courses on how to run an legal system.

 

[pecksniff]

They're called the Borg, and they're the bad guys.

The world is awesome because diversity, "one world" would suck.

Quite enough diversity remains within the European Union. I'm just envisioning something similar on a global scale.

 

[oggbashan]

Quite enough diversity remains within the European Union. I'm just envisioning something similar on a global scale.

The Commonwealth is global. The UN should, in theory, be, but is a blank mess.

 

[phrodeau]

They're called the Borg, and they're the bad guys.

The world is awesome because diversity, "one world" would suck.

Then you should vote for more lizard people and robots to oppose them.

 

[pecksniff]

The Commonwealth is global. The UN should, in theory, be, but is a blank mess.

The UN is merely a standing forum for diplomatic negotiations, not anything approaching a government.

 

[oggbashan]

The UN is merely a standing forum for diplomatic negotiations, not anything approaching a government.

Neither is the Commonwealth. It is a loose association of nations who are supposed to have something in common.

It can eject members - like South Africa during apartheid, but whether that has any impact on the rulers of the ejected nation? Probably not because they are already assholes.

 

[pecksniff]

Puh-leeze.
They're called Daleks and they would kick Borg ass. They have Time War units with weapons that would erase the Borg from every time line.

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Daleks tremble before the Yacatisma.

If the X-ist find Errff ("Earth" if you're a dirty human) crawling with pinks they will spray the planet with human extermination bombs shaking all the blind human fleas loose from their mortal coil. The X-day.

BUT If the Anti-Xists the Yacatisma, reach the Earth First, they will turn it to cinders and ashes... but not before they rape it, LITTERALLY AND PHYSICALLY RAPE IT!! No matter WHO is in charge.

The Y.C.T.S.M. are almost on the godlike level of the the Xists but are completely material. They are evolved machines and are not only efficient but deliberately cruel killing machines DELIGHTING in overpowering worlds and destroying civilizations with overwhelming fear and despair. That's their equivalence of sex. They're meaner and colder than any cybernetic intelligence could be. Which implies a soul, albeit a black one. Think if the Borg and the robots of matrix had a planet destroyer "Galactus" complex.

If only you had experienced the sheer brain-shredding TERROR.. I could say it's like if the Terminators took over the Death Star and put Hannibal Lector in charge that wouldn't even come CLOSE.

Being Super material they are the opposite of the Elder Gods, but none the less they make dark pacts with the immaterial ones, and function as their mercenaries. In reality their size is miles tall. Their foot could crush a whole city. One Yacatisma can shed a whole planet of human destroying robots which to them are "fleas," but to us are robotic chainsaw wielding nightmares. Enough of them and you can take down a small star. A Yacatisma's main fuel source is a victims, to fuel their faster than light drive. For them stopping for gas is exploding a star, and harvesting the souls of victims on near by exploded biospheres.Then moving on to the next star. There must be that much pain and destruction for them to survive/thrive. They trash the Universe just for fun because they know that the battle is not the war. The tree is not the Forrest. The victims are inconsequential and they believe this to a stark fault. They absorb the matter of destroyed stars/planets/unconscious beings and evaporate them into a energy mist and turn them back into a replicator comprised of tiny robots who's goal is to rebuild the universe into their own creative designs. They are the custodian robots of the Universe. Destroying and rebuilding. If you had fallen into their spheres you'd be torn apart like a black hole and rebuilt from astro dust.

Apparently the idea of "souls" irritates the Y.C.T.S.M.. They don't like intangibles, un-quantifiable, indescribables... etc. But relish in human "hate." That's something they can understand. Unfortunately, where as the X-ists prefer to take their souls refined, and delivered by "Bob," in little cylinders the Y.C.T.S.M. are berserkers that run rampant across the planet literally knobbling and sucking the fear and loathing out of the planet. Increasing their victims fear and enfolding a dark reality over the whole planet. This makes the souls extra delicious.

 

[bellisarius]

Islam. If you don't think it's as much a political movement as religious, you haven't read the Koran.

 

[pecksniff]

Islam. If you don't think it's as much a political movement as religious, you haven't read the Koran.

Well, we're never going to have an Islamic world state. Conversion of the whole global population would be a precondition, and not an achievable one.

 

[pecksniff]

Dalek literally means The God.

Don't recall that -- is it canon? I thought "Dalek" was just an anagram of "Kaled," Davros' species.