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pecksniff

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It does not begin, it continues. An embryo is formed by the merger of two living cells, neither of which has any more personhood than your fingernail clippings, and neither does the embryo. A new "soul" does not pop into existence when sperm and egg merge.
 
pecksniff said:
It does not begin, it continues. An embryo is formed by the merger of two living cells, neither of which has any more personhood than your fingernail clippings, and neither does the embryo. A new "soul" does not pop into existence when sperm and egg merge.
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Personhood =/= life.

Your fingernail clippings do not have a unique DNA composition.

The part about souls is a nice opinion, you seem to know about as much about the science of life as you do modern warfare.

You should start a thread on light infantry platoon level tactics and battle drills, it would probably go about as well for you. :D
 
CornusKousa said:
You made it in the most backwards way possible.

So what?? :confused:

An embryo absolutely has more personhood than a nail clipping.... both biologically and legally.
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You mentioned something about "unique DNA composition," but I don't see what that has to do with it. How does that make an embryo more of a person than a drop of blood?
 
pecksniff said:
You mentioned something about "unique DNA composition," but I don't see what that has to do with it. How does that make an embryo more of a person than a drop of blood?
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Biologically for the same reason as legally, it's a unique identifier for a specific person, an individual and unique human life.

Life begins at conception for all sexual reproducing organisms on this planet = biological fact. It's not even a controversial thing in biology....hasn't been for a very long time and has only become more and more solidified as a fact as our understanding of biology has advanced.

You might not like it for political and or ideological reasons.... but the biological sciences don't give a shit about your politics.

Now how much legal protection you want to offer that life vs. the woman it's gestating in is the political argument that has been and will probably always be ongoing. Because people have different opinions on where to draw that line. But trying to claim life doesn't begin at conception is a false statement that ignores science for politics and is a bullshit argument at best and a deliberate lie at worst.
 
I agree with current medical thinking that until it can survive outside of the womb the embryo is not viably living .
 
Cool. Then using the Republican definition, any endangered species fertilized egg is alive and anyone disrupting that fertilized egg can be held criminally accountable.
 
Dribble said:
Cool. Then using the Republican definition, any endangered species fertilized egg is alive and anyone disrupting that fertilized egg can be held criminally accountable.
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We should remove all conceived babies as soon as they are alive so the mother can't hurt them
 
pecksniff said:
It does not begin, it continues. An embryo is formed by the merger of two living cells, neither of which has any more personhood than your fingernail clippings, and neither does the embryo. A new "soul" does not pop into existence when sperm and egg merge.
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How do you know? Prove it doesn’t! You’re free to believe what you choose. You’re entitled to your secular way of life and beliefs.
 
CornusKousa said:
Personhood =/= life.

Your fingernail clippings do not have a unique DNA composition.

The part about souls is a nice opinion, you seem to know about as much about the science of life as you do modern warfare.

You should start a thread on light infantry platoon level tactics and battle drills, it would probably go about as well for you. :D
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Clearly life doesn't exist even when one is born and moving about cussing a shit storm of nonsense wherever this example of a non-life is....clearly now.
 
Yeah, the elective abortion crowd has a serious problem
because they have a myriad of definitions and
timelines for when life begins from anything
but conception right up to crowning...

Don't you dare tell her what to do with her body!
But damnit! To protect me, she has to wear a mask.
 
domroger said:
I agree with current medical thinking that until it can survive outside of the womb the embryo is not viably living .
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Another medical and biological science free opinion based entirely upon politics.

WillJ8787 said:
Clearly life doesn't exist even when one is born and moving about cussing a shit storm of nonsense wherever this example of a non-life is....clearly now.
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WillJ is mad at the facts and science.
 
icanhelp1 said:
How do you know? Prove it doesn’t! You’re free to believe what you choose. You’re entitled to your secular way of life and beliefs.
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It depends on how you define life.

- If it is about cells dividing for a purpose - all cells in the body are alive. why would these cells have a differing perspective?
- If it is viability, that varies, but mostly >24 weeks
- if it is a "soul", that's a religious definition

Overall, the pregnancy is a symbiotic relationship and can't survive without the mother.
 
Champakian said:
Yeah, the elective abortion crowd has a serious problem
because they have a myriad of definitions and
timelines for when life begins from anything
but conception right up to crowning...

Don't you dare tell her what to do with her body!
But damnit! To protect me, she has to wear a mask.
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Don't have an issue with timelines. If the doctor and the woman agree on ending the pregnancy, then I'm fine with it, regardless of timing.

As long as a pregnancy impacts the woman, it's the woman's decision to make.
 
Authoritarian trumptards just want to control women's bodies and choices. It's all about control.
 
Dribble said:
The mothers. If this legislation stands, it opens the door to all kinds of legal issues.
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That won't occur because the RWCJ knows that suing pregnant women would not be "good optics"...so they enable suing errybody else..doctor, nurse, hospital, uber driver, etc...everyone but the person who made the ultimate choice herself.
 
Ova are living. Sperm are living. A zygote is living.

Is a zygote two living things? No, it’s one living thing. But neither the sperm nor the ovum died for the zygote to form.

Does 1+1=1? No, and the problem lies in trying to define life that way.
 
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