Climate Change is a bullshit false narrative perpetrated by the elite Left!

[pecksniff]

BTW, what is this "elite left"? The American elite are plutocrats, mostly RW, especially in economic matters, and many have a vested interest in denying climate change.

I repeat, what is this "elite left"? The likes of George Soros and Warren Buffett, they don't amount to much, in political influence, compared to the Kochs and the Scaifes. To the extent money plays any role in the climate-change debate, it is not being spent to support the climate-change-is-real side.

 

[CornusKousa]

You can't seriously mean that.

If it were, then why is greed most violently manifested in socialist states???

Greed is a component of humanity regardless of the economic system, all of human history documents this in painfully obvious and explicit fashion.

Capitalism = free or open exchange of goods and services. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. Greed and altruism have nothing to do with it.

It's just not the boogieman you control freaks try to paint it as.

 

[CornusKousa]

I repeat, what is this "elite left"? The likes of George Soros and Warren Buffett, they don't amount to much, in political influence, compared to the Kochs and the Scaifes.

The DNC and their close associates buddy.

Obamas birthday party guest list is a good start.

 

[pecksniff]

If it were, then why is greed most violently manifested in socialist states???

The failing of socialist states is of a different nature: They assume production is king, and anything that increases it is worth doing. That is why the Aral Sea no longer exists. But that is not a matter of greed -- it does not make any party official personally richer.

 

[AlexBailey]

Greed has nothing to do with capitalism....

LMAO. You're amazing. Are you also going to say that capitalism doesn't reward greed?

Capitalism = free or open exchange of goods and services. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. Greed and altruism have nothing to do with it.

Yeah? And for the same 'on-paper' argument, communism has nothing to do with taking unfair advantage of workers.

 

[CornusKousa]

The failing of socialist states is of a different nature: .

Not at all.....when everyone is trying to get free-B's over on everyone else (GREED) it falls apart, and that's when horrible ugly things like slave labor camps start to keep the slaves in check.

Then you have every socialist shit hole in history from the USSR to Venezuela.

Greed is human, and is in no way shape or form unique to any economic system, your comically overt bias here not withstanding.

 

[pecksniff]

Capitalism = free or open exchange of goods and services. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. Greed and altruism have nothing to do with it.

That is not true. A marketplace in ancient Greece, or a medieval fair, was not an instance of capitalism. Capitalism did not exist before the 18th Century.

 

[CornusKousa]

LMAO. You're amazing. Are you also going to say that capitalism doesn't reward greed?

Holy shit you gonna put that goalpost down or keep running with it.

The claim was that greed is a downside of capitalism.

My position is that it's demonstrably not any part of capitalism or any economic system, but part of human nature.

Socialism rewards greed too!! Just look at every socialist dictator and party ever.

Does that make greed a function of socialism?? No.

Greed is inherently human, not a consequence or result of any particular economic system. That's why it's ever present in EVERY economic system ever.

Yeah? And for the same 'on-paper' argument, communism has nothing to do with taking unfair advantage of workers.

Yet that's exactly what happens, at gunpoint and under threat of slave camps while the party and dictator live a life of luxury every fucking time socialism is tried.

Because greed is a human thing, not a result of any particular economic system.

 

[pecksniff]

Greed is inherently human, not a consequence or result of any particular economic system. That's why it's ever present in EVERY economic system ever.

It is not a motive of every economic system ever. In capitalism, it is essential.

 

[CornusKousa]

That is not true. A marketplace in ancient Greece, or a medieval fair, was not an instance of capitalism. Capitalism did not exist before the 18th Century.

That is true, capitalism is the default of freedom bubba.

Free/open exchange of goods and services = capitalism. That's why no matter how many people the left murdered they just couldn't get rid of the shit.

Anywhere there wasn't a comrade with an AK, mother fuckers were wheeling and dealing.

 

[AlexBailey]

Holy shit you gonna put that goalpost down or keep running with it.

The claim was that greed is a downside of capitalism.

My position is that it's demonstrably not any part of capitalism or any economic system, but part of human nature.

Socialism rewards greed too!! Just look at every socialist dictator and party ever.

Hello?

Yes. Greed is human nature. We live with it. We also live in a capitalist system that rewards greed. Do deny this? Do you see zero value in having regulations and safeguards against the effects of greed?

How much denial can you live under?


This conversation was about the system we live with. Now you're captain of the whatabout team?

 

[CornusKousa]

It is not a motive of every economic system ever. In capitalism, it is essential.

Not officially, but liars are just liars.

That's why you and the comrades despite insisting on that lie?

Your whole economic ideology revolves around pulling the guns out and taking that money, wealth and means of production... that's pure fuckin' GREED.

 

[CornusKousa]

Hello?

Yes. Greed is human nature. We live with it. We also live in a capitalist system that rewards greed. Do deny this? Do you see zero value in having regulations and safeguards against terrorism effects of greed?

How much denial can you live under?

I understand that YOU are desperate to move the goalpost because you got caught saying some fucking retarded shit without thinking and you're just not adult enough to own up to it.

But that's not any sort of denial on my part and you're flailing wildly with this borderline incoherent shit about having no regulations.... I'm not an anarchist.

This conversation was about the system we live with. Now you're captain of the whatabout team?

No, you're still trying to move the goalpost. The conversation was about the power/money grab involved with the politicizing of the climate.

You claimed greed was a "downside" of capitalism.....which was a stupid thing to say and got called on it.

Get back to me when you calm down.

 

[AlexBailey]

Sorry bobo. I'm not falling for your gaslighting.

The world is in trouble. We need to do something about it. That is the goalpost.


You have some personal motivation for avoiding the issue. That's your business, and since there is a bigger problem that government needs to be brought to bear to deal with it, you're going to feel like a victim again.


...promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity...

You still seem to want to limit the meaning of the 'general welfare', and fuck 'posterity,' and you don't seem willing to entertain the idea that anthropogenic climate change can be a catastrophic problem, regardless of how many scientists find evidence of it.


Go play with your lead bullets and order some drinking water from Flint, and keep voting however you want.

 

[CornusKousa]

Sorry bobo. I'm not falling for your gaslighting.

The world is in trouble. We need to do something about it. That is the goalpost.

You have some personal motivation for avoiding the issue.

^^ a giant gaslighting and goalpost moving extravaganza... still flailing to avoid owning the "I have no clue what capitalism is!!" statement you made.

That's your business, and since there is a bigger problem that government needs to be brought to bear to deal with it, you're going to feel like a victim again.


...promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity...

You still seem to want to limit the meaning of the 'general welfare', and fuck 'posterity,' and you don't seem willing to entertain the idea that anthropogenic climate change can be a catastrophic problem, regardless of how many scientists find evidence of it.

You seem to be making a bunch of assumptions again and you're wrong about literally every part in bold.

Not being a batshit leftist control freak Karen worshiping at the altar of (D) totalitarianism as a solution to all problems personal and public doesn't make me every evangelical conservative stereotype on reddit.

Go play with your lead bullets and order some drinking water from Flint, and keep voting however you want.

I'm not into muzzle loaders, you mean where you PRECIOUS government sucks ass?? And I will.... for the government to leave me the fuck alone, because just look at Flint Michigan and Baltimore and NYC and LA and Chicago and and and.... government sucks and the more of it there is the shittier a place gets.

 

[AlexBailey]

Not being a batshit leftist control freak Karen worshiping at the altar of (D) totalitarianism as a solution to all problems personal and public doesn't make me every evangelical conservative stereotype on reddit.

Who's having a hissy fit? Lol.

 

[CornusKousa]

Who's having a hissy fit? Lol.

Nobody, you just got dragged for being a basic bigot and a presumptuous ass is all.

 

[pecksniff]

Not being a batshit leftist control freak Karen worshiping at the altar of (D) totalitarianism as a solution to all problems personal and public doesn't make me every evangelical conservative stereotype on reddit. ;

Most of the time, it seems to.

 

[CornusKousa]

Most of the time, it seems to.

Not really....you just like to assume so and ignore anything to the contrary.

Again, much like your eminent ignoring of differentiating liberals from libertarians as well as anarchist to push your authoritarianism.

Which is understandable, control freaks like you and AlexB as well as the social conservatives always reach for that when you can't justify your control freakness. You need to have it, anything other than control, YOUR control, is BAD!!! so you just dismiss/ignore anything that isn't at least somewhat acceptable with the conformist/collectivist/control freak in group as ridiculous... enter the conflation with extremism.

That's what makes the authoritarian control freaks who absolutely under no circumstances can mind their own god damn bidniz, who you are.

 

[AlexBailey]

Nobody, you just got dragged for being a basic bigot and a presumptuous ass is all.

Line it out, buddy. Let’s see where I did that. Again, extra points for not going ad hominem.

 

[CornusKousa]

Line it out, buddy. Let’s see where I did that. Again, extra points for not going ad hominem.

Already highlighted in post 65.

That's your business, and since there is a bigger problem that government needs to be brought to bear to deal with it, you're going to feel like a victim again.


...promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity...

You still seem to want to limit the meaning of the 'general welfare', and fuck 'posterity,' and you don't seem willing to entertain the idea that anthropogenic climate change can be a catastrophic problem, regardless of how many scientists find evidence of it.

 

[AlexBailey]

Already highlighted in post 65.

You still seem to want to limit the meaning of the 'general welfare', and fuck 'posterity,' and you don't seem willing to entertain the idea that anthropogenic climate change can be a catastrophic problem, regardless of how many scientists find evidence of it.



Are you calling me a “presumptuous ass” for presuming that you don’t think that “promoting the general welfare” would include using government authority and resources to protect Americans and their progeny from potential catastrophe? Am I wrong? Do you support government intervention?

Do you actually agree with the near scientific consensus but see no reason to take action? If you do believe in the preponderance of scientific evidence on anthropogenic climate change, what do you propose be done about it?

How do you suggest the interest of America’s progeny is being protected?

How am I being an bigot? I’m asking you to put your ideas out there.


I’ll make another presumption:

You would rather troll than make a serious case for your positions. Prove me wrong.

 

[pecksniff]

If you do believe in the preponderance of scientific evidence on anthropogenic climate change, what do you propose be done about it?

Sometimes they talk about "free-market solutions," but the content is always vague.

 

[CornusKousa]

Are you calling me a “presumptuous ass” for presuming that you don’t think that “promoting the general welfare” would include using government authority and resources to protect Americans and their progeny from potential catastrophe? Am I wrong? Do you support government intervention?

Yes, you are wrong.

Yes, I do.

Do you actually agree with the near scientific consensus but see no reason to take action?

No, that's just another erroneous presumption of yours, obviously DESPERATE to try and ascribe me the position YOU want based on how you FEEL about me, instead of acknowledging my actual positions.

If you do believe in the preponderance of scientific evidence on anthropogenic climate change, what do you propose be done about it?

Invest in the cleanest, safest, most readily available energy possible.

Which would absolutely ENRAGE democrats the nation over.

How do you suggest the interest of America’s progeny is being protected?

I would start by not doing everything I could to destroy America and turn it into Venezuela.

This is why I'm no longer a Democrat.

How am I being an bigot?

By assigning me the RW position list because I'm not a line toeing Twitter comrade.

Then refusing to acknowledge you're wrong and not actually a mind reader who knows my personal political positions better than I do.

I’m asking you to put your ideas out there.

Now..... AFTER you tried to ascribe me a bunch of bullshit.

And then keep trying to after I've told you that you were flat out wrong for like the 4th time.

I’ll make another presumption:

You would rather troll than make a serious case for your positions. Prove me wrong.

Proving you wrong is all I have been doing. the presumption bidniz isn't working well for you.

I'll worry about making a serious case when you acknowledge that you finally understand that your fee fees and what you think you saw on FOX have nothing to do with me or my political positions.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes, you are wrong.

Proving you wrong is all I have been doing. the presumption bidniz isn't working well for you.

I'll worry about making a serious case when you acknowledge that you finally understand that your fee fees and what you think you saw on FOX have nothing to do with me or my political positions.

Here's the thing Bobo,

I'm ascribing to you the way you come across by how you communicate - you do almost no valuable communicating. Now you're sounding pathetic about how no one understands you and calling me a liar for misconstrueing where you are coming from. What do you expect? It's a great strategy if you're looking for an argument. You may have nuanced and intelligent ideas but you have almost no effectiveness in communicating and supporting your positions, so who should give a fuck what you have to say?