Climate Change is a bullshit false narrative perpetrated by the elite Left!

[pecksniff]

I have every reason to believe that. There is nothing man can do to change the climate.

You have no reason to believe that, and those who really know -- the climatologists -- say different.

The Green New Deal is a socialist wet dream, much like the communist ejaculation that doomed the Soviet model and is in the process of dooming the Chinese model.

The Green New Deal is no more "socialist" than was the original New Deal (and, no, it wasn't).

 

[CornusKousa]

You have no reason to believe that, and those who really know -- the climatologists -- say different.



The Green New Deal is no more "socialist" than was the original New Deal (and, no, it wasn't).

It's far more, and is pretending to be more like the former, when it's nothing of the sort.

 

[pecksniff]

It's far more, and is pretending to be more like the former, when it's nothing of the sort.

What specific provisions are socialist?

 

[Rightguide]

You’re funny.

More science denial. It is peer reviewed consensus that man has already changed the climate.

So where is the peer reviewed consensus that man brought on the Ice Ages, brought on both global warming epochs that defrosted them, and dried up the Sahara?

 

[pecksniff]

So where is the peer reviewed consensus that man brought on the Ice Ages, brought on both global warming epochs that defrosted them, and dried up the Sahara?

Irrelevant. Humanity is responsible for the present warming, which is without precedent.

 

[CornusKousa]

What specific provisions are socialist?

In all the parts left out about how they plan to pay for or make any of that psychotic shit actually happen.

 

[pecksniff]

In all the parts left out about how they plan to pay for or make any of that psychotic shit actually happen.

There's no "psychotic shit" here.

 

[CornusKousa]

There's no "psychotic shit" here.

"environmental justice" is a racial equity and wealth redistribution goal... for an environmental program?? GTFO.

It's first three major points have NOTHING to do with the environment.

Just straight up "Free shit for everyone" socialist trash.

"Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States."
"Providing all people of the United States with – (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature."
"Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States."

And as for this.....

"Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources."
"Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible."
"Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity."
"Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification."
"Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in – (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail."
"Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible."
"Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible.

Ya'll can't even get a damn vaccine out or get people to put their mask on, how in the fuck do you plan on doing ANY of that shit without ruining the system or taking it over entirely and forcing it at end of AK like good comrade??

You can't. It's insane leftist idealism we're in no position to be engaging in.

 

[pecksniff]

"environmental justice" is a racial equity and wealth redistribution goal... for an environmental program?? GTFO.

It's first three major points have NOTHING to do with the environment.

Just straight up "Free shit for everyone" socialist trash.




And as for this.....



Ya'll can't even get a damn vaccine out or get people to put their mask on, how in the fuck do you plan on doing ANY of that shit without ruining the system or taking it over entirely and forcing it at end of AK like good comrade??

You can't. It's insane leftist idealism we're in no position to be engaging in.

Achievable or not, there's nothing "psychotic" about it. It won't require arrests or show trials or gulags. And dammit, let's have some high-speed rail! 'Bout fuckin' time! Why should we be behind Japan and China and Europe?!

 

[Rightguide]

Irrelevant. Humanity is responsible for the present warming, which is without precedent.

Oh he is? How was he responsible for the hottest day ever recorded on earth in 1913? Were there too many 20 Mule team Borax wagons crossing the Mohave? Were there too many mule farts? How about North Dakota recording a temperature pf 120 degrees in Steel, ND in July of 1936, or Alaska recording its highest temperature of 100 degrees in 1915? Surely those years of "climate change" can be the subject of peer reviewed data that can explain how Farmers, the Plains Indians, and the hunters at Fort Yukon, AK, were negatively warming the climate.

 

[CornusKousa]

Achievable or not, there's nothing "psychotic" about it.

Yes there is, it's utopian psycho bullshit.

That's why the first 1/3 of the list promising all the wonderful free shit for everyone!!

It won't require arrests or show trials or gulags.

Then how else are you going to get it and why has everyone else who's tried wound up that way??

Why are you having to dress up the level of totalitarianism involved with something this radical with promises of ALL the wonderful free shit EVERYONE will get just like every psychotic utopian whack job leftist ever?? Just gonna print out 100 trillion bucks??

 

[pecksniff]

Oh he is? How was he responsible for the hottest day ever recorded on earth in 1913?

The greenhouse-gas-emissions problem goes back to the 19th Century.

Scientific consensus:

A scientific consensus is reached when the vast majority of the scientists involved in a discipline broadly agree on the interpretation of the evidence pertaining to a specific scientific question. When this occurs the case can be considered to have been demonstrated and the burden of proof then falls on those who would dispute the consensus. The following national and international organizations are part of the consensus that global warming is a real phenomenon for which humans are responsible:[26]

National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Royal Society (UK)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)
UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
And many more.

Though some have taken non-committal stances, the vast majority of scientific bodies are convinced by the evidence.[note 1] In addition, those pinko tree-huggers at the Pentagon now rank global warming as a "destabilizing force" (damn enviro-weenies).[27][28]

 

[Rightguide]

The greenhouse-gas-emissions problem goes back to the 19th Century.

Scientific consensus:

What about the man caused Ice Ages and the resulting warmings that defrosted them?

 

[ll74]

What about the man caused Ice Ages and the resulting warmings that defrosted them?

His angle is, if humans havent caused all of the Earth's problems then humans haven't created any of the Earth's problems


What a stupid take

 

[pecksniff]

What about the man caused Ice Ages and the resulting warmings that defrosted them?

We're still in an Ice Age, which geologists define as any period with ice at the poles. There has not always been ice at the poles -- but there has been at all times since the emergence of our species. We're not adapted to any other environment.

 

[Rightguide]

We're still in an Ice Age, which geologists define as any period with ice at the poles. There has not always been ice at the poles -- but there has been at all times since the emergence of our species. We're not adapted to any other environment.

Non-responsive, because once again deflection is on order to avoid the specter of the intellectual guillotine I've just presented you with.

 

[pecksniff]

Non-responsive, because once again deflection is on order to avoid the specter of the intellectual guillotine I've just presented you with.

Of course the pre-human ice ages and warm periods were not anthropogenic. That does nothing to suggest the present warming is not.

 

[ll74]

If only someone could point to a time where humans started spewing CO2 into the atmosphere...like some sort of industrial revolution....


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[pecksniff]

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/d/dc/earth_temperature_timeline.png

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Climate change is of no great concern to me. Benefits might even outweigh the adverse aspects, although either way, my life is unaffected.