Climate Change is a bullshit false narrative perpetrated by the elite Left!

[pecksniff]

BTW, what is this "elite left"? The American elite are plutocrats, mostly RW, especially in economic matters, and many have a vested interest in denying climate change.

 

[pecksniff]

“Climatetologists” like the hockey stick graph guy whose emails were exposed as was his manipulation of the data?

That has long since been debunked.

 

[BidudeinWi]

That has long since been debunked.

That “debunks” NOTHING! The emails were an insight to the type of corruption going on behind the scenes of the “climate change propagandists!” The ONLY reason to spin the data is political! There are NO other explanations.

So, go fuck yourself and your political parties hidden agenda!

 

[AlexBailey]

So, go fuck yourself and your political parties hidden agenda!

Okay. Let's hear it. What is the 'hidden agenda?' Bonus points if you can describe it without ad hominem accusations.

 

[pecksniff]

BTW, what is this "elite left"? The American elite are plutocrats, mostly RW, especially in economic matters, and many have a vested interest in denying climate change.

I repeat.

 

[YDB95]

Okay. Let's hear it. What is the 'hidden agenda?' Bonus points if you can describe it without ad hominem accusations.

I don't think I've ever seen a single post from him that didn't have ad hominem accusations.

 

[CornusKousa]

Okay. Let's hear it. What is the 'hidden agenda?' Bonus points if you can describe it without ad hominem accusations.

Same as ever, power and money.

"It's a crisis!!!" and if you hand over your life to be a slave of the leftist they'll fix the crisis for you. They just want your money and the legal authority to put you in prison for not doing what they say is all. If we just stop whining about STUPID ASS FREEDUMB and make (D) politicians despotic totalitarian dictators with limitless powers to take our shit and control our lives that will fix 'climate change' because politicians never lie and are always altruistic... pure as the driven snow!!!



LOL...and people actually believe it.

You're a true believer aren't you??

 

[pecksniff]

Same as ever, power and money.

Not clear how they would get it. This is as preposterous as attributing covid-containment measures to a lust for "power."

 

[CornusKousa]

Not clear how they would get it.

You just watched them do it in 2020.

They arbitrarily fucked the economy up and stole TRILLIONS of dollars, because they fear mongered a disease that's killed 0.19% of the population.

This is as preposterous as attributing covid-containment measures to a lust for "power."

It's only preposterous because you support their lust for power and control. you're a true believer in the altruistic and benevolent government taking care of everything like a wonderful grandpa who makes all your life problems go away.

 

[pecksniff]

You just watched them do it in 2020.

They arbitrarily fucked the economy up and stole TRILLIONS of dollars, because they fear mongered a disease that's killed 0.19% of the population.

Who stole this money, where did it come from and where did it go?

It's only preposterous because you support their lust for power and control. you're a true believer in the altruistic and benevolent government taking care of everything like a wonderful grandpa who makes all your life problems go away.

It's preposterous because disease containment is exactly the kind of thing government is supposed to do. Even in the supposedly libertarian 19th Century, nobody questioned the constitutionality or propriety of quarantines or mandatory vaccination -- and nobody got "power" out of such measures. And environmental management is not essentially different.

 

[CornusKousa]

Who stole this money, where did it come from and where did it go?

Congress, it came from tax payers and went to mostly blue states for damaging their economy the most and blue social welfare programs to "fix" the problem they created.

It's preposterous because disease containment is exactly the kind of thing government is supposed to do.

Show us where in the Constitution our rights and liberty go out the window because minor disease or for climate change of for any of the bazzilion other reasons you authoritarian control freaks come up with.

I need an article and section number.

Even in the supposedly libertarian 19th Century, nobody questioned the constitutionality or propriety of quarantines or mandatory vaccination -- and nobody got "power" out of such measures. And environmental management is not essentially different.

That was actual quarantines for a serious illness..... not a "lockdowns for thee, max bidnizz and parties for me!!!" elitist fuckwaddery for a mild disease that won't even phase 80% of the population, make less than 3% seriously ill and kill less than 1/4 of 1%.

Of course it is vastly different. And it's still the same "solution"... heavy regulations and taxation for everyone but the elites....massive wealth re-distribution to them for the sake of the "environment" and absolutely nothing of any meaningful progress towards "fixing" the environment. And what is the solution they'll sell you on then? They need more money and the "bad guys", small business owners and people with families, need more regulation and taxes. And you and the other comrades will be right there cheering them on.

 

[pecksniff]

Congress, it came from tax payers and went to mostly blue states for damaging their economy the most and blue social welfare programs to "fix" the problem they created.

Then nobody stole anything.

Show us where in the Constitution our rights and liberty go out the window because minor disease or for climate change of for any of the bazzilion other reasons you authoritarian control freaks come up with.

I need an article and section number.

We're talking about the kind of general police-power authority that predates the Constitution and has always been assumed implicit in the authority of government as such. The only thing left to discuss is its allocation between the federal and state levels. Which is rarely a discussion worth having at all.

 

[CornusKousa]

Then nobody stole anything.

They absolutely did, mostly blue states, again, for damaging their economies the most.

We're talking about the kind of general police-power authority that predates the Constitution

Ok so you were just talking bull-fuckin' shit. Got it.

 

[pecksniff]

Ok so you were just talking bull-fuckin' shit. Got it.

It's like eminent domain. The 5th Amendment does not grant that power to Congress but only limits it (compensation being required) -- it had that power to begin with just because a government is a government -- no court has ever ruled the USG has not the eminent-domain power because it's not among the enumerated powers.

 

[AlexBailey]

You just watched them do it in 2020.

They arbitrarily fucked the economy up and stole TRILLIONS of dollars, because they fear mongered a disease that's killed 0.19% of the population.



It's only preposterous because you support their lust for power and control.

Remember these other bullshit false narratives perpetrated by the power hungry elite left:

*The Tobacco industry and the politicians they bought finally stopped fighting the near unanimous scientific studies that determined that smoking is a health hazzard, then they spent another generation saying second hand smoke wasn't a problem.

*Lead in gasoline. The petrol and car industry fought that one tooth and nail for more than eighty years.

*Lead in the Flint Michigan water supply.

*CFCs.

*DDT. Those damn liberals just wanted you to lose your crops.

*Over use of antibiotics causing resistant strains of bacteria.

*Repeated football related head injuries can cause brain damage.

*and, yeah - anthropogenic climate change.


Can't regulate any of those because freedom.





What benefit does "the left" get from turning against an industry? You think it's lust for power? Do you really think that is a greater force than industry dumping money into right wing politics looking for a return on their investment?

What room does science have in your priorities? Is it only valuable when it makes money?

Sure there are opportunists who see ways to profit from regulations - but that's another example of greed - the downside of capitalism at play.

 

[AlexBailey]

Who stole this money, where did it come from and where did it go?

Let's hear an answer to this.

 

[CornusKousa]

Let's hear an answer to this.

Try reading.

 

[pecksniff]

Try reading.

Your answer appears to be based on "taxation is theft" bullshit.

 

[CornusKousa]

Your answer appears to be based on "taxation is theft" bullshit.

The government took money from the non-hysterical to reward the most hysterical and destructive.

A rose by any other name.

 

[pecksniff]

The government took money from the non-hysterical to reward the most hysterical and destructive.

A rose by any other name.

The name is not "stealing."

 

[CornusKousa]

Remember these other bullshit false narratives perpetrated by the power hungry elite left:

Can't regulate any of those because freedom.

Ignoring the harm principle here you are effectively trying to conflate liberalism with anarchism.

That is incorrect

What benefit does "the left" get from turning against an industry?

Seriously?? Money..... it's called market protection.

You use the government to take someone out so you can either fill the void or sell your alternative.

You think it's lust for power?

And money....and I don't think, I know.

Do you really think that is a greater force than industry dumping money into right wing politics looking for a return on their investment?

You think it's only the right wing getting massive money dumped into it??

You're even more ignorant than I thought.

What room does science have in your priorities? Is it only valuable when it makes money?

As an actual scientist I don't idolize 'science' or consider it to be loyalty and blind submission to leftist political doctrine and pseudo-religious social dogma.

Science a methodology that is valuable for determining truth and facts.

And apparently as a dishonest buzz word for political allegiance to the left.

Sure there are opportunists who see ways to profit from regulations - but that's another example of greed - the downside of capitalism at play.

Greed has nothing to do with capitalism....one just needs to look at the history of socialism to understand that.

But you probably don't do much reading of history do you???

 

[CornusKousa]

The name is not "stealing."

That's the nice way to put it, accounting for the force of violence involved "robbery" and or "extortion" would be more appropriate.

 

[pecksniff]

That's the nice way to put it, accounting for the force of violence involved "robbery" and or "extortion" would be more appropriate.

Taxation is none of those things, as you know.

 

[pecksniff]

Greed has nothing to do with capitalism....

You can't seriously mean that.

 

[CornusKousa]

Taxation is none of those things, as you know.

Only because some elitist say it isn't.

And you just jump right up and go lick their boots like a good comrade.