circumcision

[hobbit.]

Comparing surgical circumcision, with its proven benefit to reduce the aquisition and transmission of STDs, to FGM does grave injury to the fight against FGM.

The two are not even close to being comparable. If male circumcision cut off the glans, that would be comparable. (Yeah, like that would ever be allowed to happen by men in any culture ).

There is also zero health benefits, and multiple health risks associated with FGM.

can i assume you read post #45 ?

i doubt that chopping the foreskin off gives a defence against STDs and allows one to shove the old man anywhere into anyone safe from an STD.

nothing personal, it just seems a bit of a strange passtime to me.

possibly a better defence against STD is to stick to as small a number of partners as possible?

 

[stickygirl]

You obviously have the Internet, so finding the research that shows the benefits of circumcision in the reduction of acquiring and transferring STDs is readily available via a simple search. I refuse to cite because many people often just dismiss the source of the cite.(This is not an attack on you, but more of an anti-frustration defense for myself)..

The article I read cited increased opportunities for foreskin tears during sex, and the warm, damp environment provided by the foreskin. The article also pointed out that condoms solved many of those issues.

Appearance was never mentioned, nor was reduced sensitivity.

I find it kinda weird that the parents of a newborn consider circumcision so their baby boy is less likely to contract AIDS or that they can't trust their son to wash their dick ( I remember my mother teaching me in the bath ).

To cite the mayoclinic
"The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis."

So in other words, it's a fashion that families justify with vague and rare medical risks.

 

[Lazaran]

can i assume you read post #45 ?

i doubt that chopping the foreskin off gives a defence against STDs and allows one to shove the old man anywhere into anyone safe from an STD.

nothing personal, it just seems a bit of a strange passtime to me.

possibly a better defence against STD is to stick to as small a number of partners as possible?

Yeah, I read it and determined it was inapt.

There is little comparison in physical effects, risks , and long term health issues between surgical circumcision and FGM.

 

[Lazaran]

I find it kinda weird that the parents of a newborn consider circumcision so their baby boy is less likely to contract AIDS or that they can't trust their son to wash their dick ( I remember my mother teaching me in the bath ).

To cite the mayoclinic
"The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis."

So in other words, it's a fashion that families justify with vague and rare medical risks.

The caveat being "with proper care of the penis".

The article I read cited significant increases in risks of both acquiring and transmitting STDs by those who are uncircumcised, with no caveats.

 

[y=mx+b]

For funsies one can also Google "botched circumcision"

 

[Comshaw]

The caveat being "with proper care of the penis".

The article I read cited significant increases in risks of both acquiring and transmitting STDs by those who are uncircumcised, with no caveats.

So you dismiss a medical opinion from the Mayo clinic in favor of a mysterious article that says what you want to believe? And since you refuse to cite that article, it becomes a matter of your opinion against that of one of the most prestigious medical centers in the country. My oh my, who shall I believe?


Comshaw

 

[stickygirl]

In the UK we deep fry circumcised foreskins to make a savoury confection called Hula Hoops that stick to your teeth. You guys probably make mini bagels and serve them with smegma cheese

 

[y=mx+b]

In the UK we deep fry circumcised foreskins to make a savoury confection called Hula Hoops that stick to your teeth. You guys probably make mini bagels and serve them with smegma cheese

No. Here it's donated to The Olive Garden where it's breaded, deep fried and then called "calamari"

 

[hanban24]

In the UK we deep fry circumcised foreskins to make a savoury confection called Hula Hoops that stick to your teeth. You guys probably make mini bagels and serve them with smegma cheese

…and to think people make fun of British cuisine

 

[Lazaran]

So you dismiss a medical opinion from the Mayo clinic in favor of a mysterious article that says what you want to believe? And since you refuse to cite that article, it becomes a matter of your opinion against that of one of the most prestigious medical centers in the country. My oh my, who shall I believe?


Comshaw

If you want a specific search that leads to a report from The Lancet, just google "Effect of male circumcision on risk of sexually transmitted infections and cervical cancer in women."

I really shouldn't have to provide links to easily located information. This stuff isn't relegated to the Dark Web.

*nods*

 

[colddiesel]

Why do so many Americans and God botherers think that they as mere humans can improve on God's work?

After all there was no-one around to give the creator's dick a trim. And half of us were made in his image.

 

[butters]

the mayo clinic:

he American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. However, the AAP doesn't recommend routine circumcision for all male newborns. The AAP leaves the circumcision decision up to parents — and supports use of anesthetics for infants who have the procedure.

Circumcision might have various health benefits, including:

• Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. However, boys with uncircumcised penises can be taught to wash regularly beneath the foreskin.
• Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in males is low, but these infections are more common in uncircumcised males. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later.
• Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. Circumcised men might have a lower risk of certain sexually transmitted infections, including HIV. Still, safe sexual practices remain essential.
• Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis can be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can lead to inflammation of the foreskin or head of the penis.
• Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men. In addition, cervical cancer is less common in the female sexual partners of circumcised men.

The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

 

[gregor2001us]

Shouldn't be done

why, in modern-day america, is it still considered the norm to disfigure male genitalia by circumcision?

penises come with a foreskin to protect the glans, so why go chopping it off your babies?

Why? because of fearmongering, misinformation, and pressure by the medical community at large. I have seen no credible reasons for doing it to an infant, and lots of very good reasons that it should not be done. For those interested, here are some good discussions with references:

https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2012/05/when-bad-science-kills-or-how-to-spread-aids/

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.u...umcision-bad-science-bad-ethics-bad-medicine/

I am one of the few with experience in both states. I was circumcised as an infant. But later in life restored my foreskin, or as much as I could. Based on my experience, circumcision was a great way to make sex less enjoyable for both the man and his partner, though I doubt it reduced masturbation in any significant way. It is quite amazing how much better sex is for both me and my partner now.

If a guy wants to be circumcised, and is an adult, well, that is his decision to make. Count me out though, I know how much better a foreskin makes sexual pleasure and function. A saying that I think captures it well and succinctly:

"The foreskin isn't the wrapper...it's the candy!"

 

[Lazaran]

the mayo clinic:


https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

Exactly.

That pretty much settles the matter.

It certainly isn't definitive one way or the other.

Arguments can be made for either choice.

No one is irrational if they make either choice.

Female Genital Mutilation, on the other hand, is worthy of absolute condemnation.

The negative health consequences, the desensitization, and the disfigurement makes Female Genital Mutilation a completely different matter than surgical male circumcision.

 

[rae121452]

"The risks of not being circumcised, however, are not only rare, but avoidable with proper care of the penis."

i've always been a staunch advocate of proper care of the penis, every chance i've ever gotten.

 

[neci]

cleanliness is next to godliness

talk to a home health nurse about old dicks. cheese grows on them all.

 

[neci]

don't google "old dirty penis"

*pukes*

 

[neci]

the google had examples of both nasties. fyi.

 

[butters]

Exactly.

That pretty much settles the matter.

It certainly isn't definitive one way or the other.

Arguments can be made for either choice.

No one is irrational if they make either choice.

Female Genital Mutilation, on the other hand, is worthy of absolute condemnation.

The negative health consequences, the desensitization, and the disfigurement makes Female Genital Mutilation a completely different matter than surgical male circumcision.

i would prefer to see the choice left up to adult males, unless a medical circumcision's required as a child, but that's just my take on it. I also think a whole lot of guys would balk at getting the chop as adults.

irrational? no, i wasn't really putting a whole lot of blame on parents who've grown up with this as a practise, their 'norm', but it's a sad state of affairs to have the 'benefits' or anti-risks to not really even being much of a thing when proper hygiene's adopted. still, can't trust millions to mask up, it'd be too much to expect those same people to teach their kids how to be clean.

i agree that fgm is definitely a more severe intervention and it should be completely prohibited.

 

[butters]

don't google "old dirty penis"

*pukes*

nonononononononnonononononnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooo don't. ever!

 

[coati]

In the UK we deep fry circumcised foreskins to make a savoury confection called Hula Hoops that stick to your teeth. You guys probably make mini bagels and serve them with smegma cheese

yeah, over here it's definitely a Kosher meal. The rabbis work for free, but unlike some over-regulated businesses, they do get to keep the tips.

 

[Chernosoth]

High stakes cutting on a tiny object of probably a screaming baby would require intense concentration and exceptional manual dexterity. Medical schools are struggling to recruit students with adequate dexterity, since kids now watch more and make less.
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-46019429

 

[dinny]

Don't recall being asked, or having the words to give or deny consent on the occasion. I probably screamed like bloody hell because they don't anesthetize you... and since my father was a dick, he probably signed the release for the procedure. How can you miss what you never knew and WTF has God got to do with some sadistic act performed on male juveniles who can't talk?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

why, in modern-day america, is it still considered the norm to disfigure male genitalia by circumcision?

penises come with a foreskin to protect the glans, so why go chopping it off your babies?

It's the closest most of us will ever get to cannibalism. Let us have this.

 

[rockcasbah]

In the American South, it’s a sin to cut foreskins, toe nails, nasal hair and pubes.

Harry is considered well-groomed in Tennessee; so much so many think he’s gay.