Let us list the ways Biden has set a new standard in Afghanistan

[OldJourno]

I'll start:
As far as we know, Americans trying to get to the Kabul airport are not being lined up against the wall and shot by the Taliban.





As has been noted, if Americans aren't having any trouble getting to the airport, why aren't they at the airport?

 

[KeithD]

I'll go next. Old Journal and the other board Trumpettes seem to be ecstatic that the debacle that their guy, Trump, put into train is working so well in serving the same Russian interests that Old Journal and the other board Trumpettes are intent on serving on this discussion board.

Who's next?

 

[OldJourno]

How about this:
Although a fleet of Blackhawks was lost on his watch, Biden steadfastly refused to offer a free 12-week instruction course on how to operate them to members of the Taliban.

 

[OldJourno]

I'll go next. Old Journal and the other board Trumpettes seem to be ecstatic that the debacle that their guy, Trump, put into train is working so well in serving the same Russian interests that Old Journal and the other board Trumpettes are intent on serving on this discussion board.

Who's next?

Could you put this into coherent English please?
And try to remember Trump hasn't been president since around Jan. 20.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

"As far as OJ knows..."

 

[KeithD]

Could you put this into coherent English please?
And try to remember Trump hasn't been president since around Jan. 20.

I'm sure it's difficult for a Russian to follow.

You might recheck the date of the U.S.-Taliban peace negotiations. (And I don't know who you think you're fooling.)

 

[LincolnDuncan]

It's too bad that trump didn't have a secret plan to get rid of the Taliban as he did with ISIS.

What was that plan again?

 

[OldJourno]

I'm sure it's difficult for a Russian to follow.

You might recheck the date of the U.S.-Taliban peace negotiations. (And I don't know who you think you're fooling.)

How fucking dense are you? If Biden was bound by Trump's plan, how come he wasn't bound by Trump's plan on the southern border?
In case you haven't noticed, Biden has undone everything Trump since he took the oath of office, but we are supposed to believe he was bound be negotiations with the Taliban?
Let us suppose that is true.
Find this document recording the negotiations and tell me where Trump agreed to leave a fleet of Blackhawk helicopters, dozens of Humvees, rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo and other military gear that the Taliban would easily seize.
Show me the part in the truce that would require the U.S. military to leave the country before the civilians who worked in the embassy and elsewhere, as well as the Afghanis who worked closely with the Americans. Show me the part that would require a situation where thousands of Americans could be held hostage.
I'm waiting, dumbass.

If you had a fucking clue about world politics, you might ask why Biden gave the all clear for the Russia natural gas pipeline to Western Europe. Never heard about that, have you?

 

[KeithD]

How fucking dense are you? If Biden was bound by Trump's plan,

I stopped reading there. There was no plan. Trump made no plans beyond checking with Putin on what the Russians wanted done about anything.

Trump didn't have any plans that didn't serve the destruction of the United States and the filling of his pocketbook.

And you are a Russian propagandist.

 

[Lazaran]

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OldUrinal must have been the worst hack reporter ever.

So much histrionics and so little context.

SAD!!!

 

[LincolnDuncan]

“Old Urinal” really made me laugh out loud.

But on a serious note, I just heard the story of trump’s intentional sabotage of the immigration process for Afghans. A truly reprehensible act and no doubt illegal.

 

[bellisarius]

“Old Urinal” really made me laugh out loud.

But on a serious note, I just heard the story of trump’s intentional sabotage of the immigration process for Afghans. A truly reprehensible act and no doubt illegal.

Idiots laugh when they have no answer.

 

[KeithD]

Idiots laugh when they have no answer.

What is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that the Trump administration, through the efforts of Stephen Miller, did not close down the established fast-track visa system for American assets in Afghanistan even as the Trump administration was orchestrating the inevitable turnover of Afghanistan to the Taliban by cutting the Afghan government out of the process and declaring a specific pull-out date?

If that's what you are suggesting, you are going to have egg all over your pitiful face.

The answer is there. What wasn't there was a plan by the Trump administration to prevent anything that has happened in Afghanistan.

 

[phrodeau]

I'll start:
As far as we know, Americans trying to get to the Kabul airport are not being lined up against the wall and shot by the Taliban.





As has been noted, if Americans aren't having any trouble getting to the airport, why aren't they at the airport?

If Americans are told to evacuate when a wildfire or a hurricane is approaching, why do some of them refuse?

 

[icanhelp1]

What is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that the Trump administration, through the efforts of Stephen Miller, did not close down the established fast-track visa system for American assets in Afghanistan even as the Trump administration was orchestrating the inevitable turnover of Afghanistan to the Taliban by cutting the Afghan government out of the process and declaring a specific pull-out date?

If that's what you are suggesting, you are going to have egg all over your pitiful face.

The answer is there. What wasn't there was a plan by the Trump administration to prevent anything that has happened in Afghanistan[/


The withdrawal was conditioned based. The Trump administration was in direct communication with Taliban leadership and warned any combat ops directed at Americans or our allies will be met with severe retaliation. Also warned Taliban leadership that if the agreement was breached all bets are off till the Taliban gets back in line.

Biden unilaterally pulled out without a withdrawal strategy and without the courtesy of including our allies in his plan.

Trump would have never left equipment behind.

Trump would never have pulled military out before civilians.

Biden had 7+ months to improve the situation but in his rush to outdo Trump he f@ck up like he f@uck up the border, energy independence and a whole host of other Trump policies-that were working.

To direct your hatred towards Trump is one thing but to criticize Trump’s policies which were working suggests you lack objectivity and an ability to evaluate the effectiveness of policy.

Trump started the withdrawal process everyone wanted and then you criticize him for starting the withdrawal process, which is it? If you’re so savvy in military ops then you must know that such a plan is a work in progress and subject to change, in other words commanders are always adjusting elevation and windage. Biden failed.

 

[Champakian]

I'll go next. Old Journal and the other board Trumpettes seem to be ecstatic that the debacle that their guy, Trump, put into train is working so well in serving the same Russian interests that Old Journal and the other board Trumpettes are intent on serving on this discussion board.

Who's next?

There's some pure black and white thinking.

If you don't think Biden has acted strategically perfectly...



... then the only possible reason must be that you are a Trump supporter.



I never advocated for Trump in any way, shape or form (even though oft-accused) and
I think Joe Biden screwed the pooch on this or he let others pound the hound for him
because he's no longer (if he ever was) in control of anything; he's being "handled."

 

[jomar]

I stopped reading there. There was no plan. Trump made no plans beyond checking with Putin on what the Russians wanted done about anything.

Pompeo met with the taliban to make a plan to have a withdrawal plan.

Trump didn't have any plans that didn't serve the destruction of the United States and the filling of his pocketbook.

….

Yep. All you have to do is look at his cabinet posts. And his actions. And Brannon, of course.

 

[icanhelp1]

Pompeo met with the taliban to make a plan to have a withdrawal plan.



Yep. All you have to do is look at his cabinet posts. And his actions. And Brannon, of course.

Not securing our borders is destroying our country.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Idiots laugh when they have no answer.

I laughed out loud because "Old Urinal" is funny.

I'm not laughing about the sabotage from the previous administration.

America would have been better off to have no president for 4 years.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

I'll start:
As far as we know, Americans trying to get to the Kabul airport are not being lined up against the wall and shot by the Taliban.

Give them time. The Talibs know the value of hostages, and corpses make lousy ones.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Give them time. The Talibs know the value of hostages, and corpses make lousy ones.

trump had 4 years to defeat the Taliban, but it was more important to him that he play golf.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

trump had 4 years to defeat the Taliban, but it was more important to him that he play golf.

President Fout-Putt and Grandpa Diddlefingers had eight.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

President Fout-Putt and Grandpa Diddlefingers had eight.

If you think that I'm going to defend Dems, you're mistaken. I'm not a Dem, I'm anti trump and anti trumptard. However, as far as I know they didn't sabotage the federal government for political purposes.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

If you think that I'm going to defend Dems, you're mistaken. I'm not a Dem, I'm anti trump and anti trumptard. However, as far as I know they didn't sabotage the federal government for political purposes.

Trump didn't promise to win Afghanistan because it was unwinnable. He vowed to get us out, and he managed - against massive push-back from the Pentagon and thair defense contractor patrons - to draw down troops from 15,000 to 2,500. All that was left was to get the civilian and Afghan support folks out, remove or destroy the material left there, and get out the rest of the troops.

And Biden fucked that up.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Trump didn't promise to win Afghanistan because it was unwinnable. He vowed to get us out, and he managed - against massive push-back from the Pentagon and thair defense contractor patrons - to draw down troops from 15,000 to 2,500. All that was left was to get the civilian and Afghan support folks out, remove or destroy the material left there, and get out the rest of the troops.

And Biden fucked that up.

Trump got elected on a promise to defeat ISIS with his secret plan, which turned out to be something incredibly stupid, but he paid no price for his stupidity because he was busy fucking up and creating interest away from his fuck ups. Why did he have no plan to defeat the Taliban? Was a state of war ever declared between the US and the Taliban? If not, there was no war to win or lose. Once Al Quida was driven out of Afghanistan the US should have left. Everyone understood this and tried to make chicken salad out of chicken shit by an attempt at nation building. Some people, like you still don’t understand that unless you turn that enemies land into a parking lot, you’re in for an ugly protracted war. Biden was the only president who was handed a leaky bag of shit who and the cajones to do what’s right.