It's all about the polarization

[pecksniff]

One of the Kennedys, I think it was a woman, once remarked in the early 1960s, "I would hate to have to explain to a foreigner the difference between Democrats and Republicans." In those days, each party had liberal and conservative wings, and the division was not so much ideological as regional or tribal.

But that changed in the 1960s. The Dems got behind the civil rights movement, the Pubs reacted by turning against it (before that they had mostly been for it), and over the next decade the RW Dems migrated over to the GOP and the Rockefeller Republicans went Dem. What was the Democratic "solid South" is now solidly red.

Now we have a party system that actually aligns with the ideological/cultural divide. Which raises the stakes -- every election and every bill is an ideological/cultural contest.

And that is why American politics are now more acrimonious than they've been since the Vietnam War ended.

 

[CornusKousa]

Yup....straight up disagreement about what the USA is and should be.

(R)'z = traditional US values.

(D)'s = want to "Progress" the USA into an ethno socialist unitary state run by simple majority democracy.

 

[YDB95]

One of the Kennedys, I think it was a woman, once remarked in the early 1960s, "I would hate to have to explain to a foreigner the difference between Democrats and Republicans." In those days, each party had liberal and conservative wings, and the division was not so much ideological as regional or tribal.

But that changed in the 1960s. The Dems got behind the civil rights movement, the Pubs reacted by turning against it (before that they had mostly been for it), and over the next decade the RW Dems migrated over to the GOP and the Rockefeller Republicans went Dem. What was the Democratic "solid South" is now solidly red.

Now we have a party system that actually aligns with the ideological/cultural divide. Which raises the stakes -- every election and every bill is an ideological/cultural contest.

And that is why American politics are now more acrimonious than they've been since the Vietnam War ended.

Now you've done it. We're in for at least five pages of statistical tricks and logical acrobatics to explain how Democrats are "the real racists". But hey, it'll be fun to shoot their bullshit down.

 

[Dribble]

Bin Laden knew the only way to defeat the US was to give us the rope and we would hang ourselves. We immediately took away rights and freedoms. He built distrust so we would fight amongst ourselves. Putin saw this and built media services that feed the retarded disinformation...all with the goal of creating an us vs them scenario between Democrats and Republicans. They both beat us. Sad isn't it?

It has gotten to the point where people won't wear a mask to prevent an immunocompromised person from catching covid. Gotta give props where props are due.

 

[OldJourno]

I love how Democrats got behind civil rights in the 1960s. Why, Albert Gore Sr. was right there, voting no on the Civil Rights Act with William Fullbright, a man Bill Clinton idolized.
But that doesn't compare to the polarization we have today, where some Democracts actually advocate socialism. If they were in charge when we kicked out the British, The 1776 Project, with a curriculum that all Americans are slaves, could be taught.
Because that's what happens when socialism happens. Look at those shitholes in Venezuela and Cuba.

 

[pecksniff]

Now the rest of the equation is, now that the parties are sorted out ideologically, the Pub/RW side is in the long run doomed to lose, by demographic change -- not ethnic, but generational. Most Millennials and Zoomers will never be on their side, not even when they get older and have jobs and businesses and midlife crises; their generational culture is already too far to the left for that, less racist than any elder generation, less sexist, less xenophobic, less religious, less traditionalist, less economic-libertarian, and more open to "socialism" in some form or other in preference to "capitalism" if that's what we have now.

The Dem convention anthem should not be "Don't Stop Thinkin' About Tomorrow."

It should be "Time Is on My Side."

 

[pecksniff]

Whereas, if the Dems are ever doomed in their turn, it will be by some new force arising to their left -- but no such thing is yet visible on the horizon.

 

[YDB95]

The Dem convention anthem should not be "Don't Stop Thinkin' About Tomorrow."

Yeah, when they nominated Bill Clinton of all people, they probably shouldn't have used a song by a band who were all sleeping with everyone else in the band except the ones they were married to!

 

[pecksniff]

Bin Laden knew the only way to defeat the US was to give us the rope and we would hang ourselves. We immediately took away rights and freedoms. He built distrust so we would fight amongst ourselves. Putin saw this and built media services that feed the retarded disinformation...all with the goal of creating an us vs them scenario between Democrats and Republicans. They both beat us. Sad isn't it?

It has gotten to the point where people won't wear a mask to prevent an immunocompromised person from catching covid. Gotta give props where props are due.

I'm sure we would still have the present polarization without Bin Laden's or Putin's interference.

 

[YDB95]

Indeed, they merely capitalized on a problem that was already very much there.

 

[WillJ8787]

Whereas, if the Dems are ever doomed in their turn, it will be by some new force arising to their left -- but no such thing is yet visible on the horizon.

Yes, Trump gave rise to and seriously diminished the emergence of a further left movement that was represented by the Sanders group.

For now, Dems have "appeared" to swing more to the center. We shall see how this plays out in three years.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I love how Democrats got behind civil rights in the 1960s. Why, Albert Gore Sr. was right there, voting no on the Civil Rights Act with William Fullbright, a man Bill Clinton idolized.
But that doesn't compare to the polarization we have today, where some Democracts actually advocate socialism. If they were in charge when we kicked out the British, The 1776 Project, with a curriculum that all Americans are slaves, could be taught.
Because that's what happens when socialism happens. Look at those shitholes in Venezuela and Cuba.

Why don't we look at basically the entire rest of the industrialized world. They have lower suicide, lower crime, lower incarceration, lower unwanted pregnancy, lower abortion, and better upward mobility.

They live longer and happier lives.

Lets face it, the thing you are defending is white male Christian dominance over everything and you don't even love yourself as much as you NEED to dominate these other people.

 

[WillJ8787]

Why don't we look at basically the entire rest of the industrialized world. They have lower suicide, lower crime, lower incarceration, lower unwanted pregnancy, lower abortion, and better upward mobility.

They live longer and happier lives.

Lets face it, the thing you are defending is white male Christian dominance over everything and you don't even love yourself as much as you NEED to dominate these other people.

Amen!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes, Trump gave rise to and seriously diminished the emergence of a further left movement that was represented by the Sanders group.

For now, Dems have "appeared" to swing more to the center. We shall see how this plays out in three years.

Hopefully they turn back toward the left and fuck the center. Hillary didn't win (despite the fact that she should have) the reality is that the American Left has failed basically anybody who isn't currently going into space for fun. And there is NOTHING positive that the Right is currently offering. At least not as advertised.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why don't we look at basically the entire rest of the industrialized world. They have lower suicide, lower crime, lower incarceration, lower unwanted pregnancy, lower abortion, and better upward mobility.

They live longer and happier lives.

Lets face it, the thing you are defending is white male Christian dominance over everything and you don't even love yourself as much as you NEED to dominate these other people.

Another Amen!

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Has everyone forgotten that polarization is literally in the Leftist playbook? It's deliberate, and it's leftist.

 

[Dribble]

I'm sure we would still have the present polarization without Bin Laden's or Putin's interference.

It isn't about "polarization". That has always existed. It is about the focusing of the polarization. Lit is a microcosm of society. What is the probability of a certain segment of Lit, repeating the same talking points AFTER their media sources "inform" them with disinformation? They don't have the same talking points before their media tells them what to say. Why do they all same the same thing after? They can't even reword it. It is verbatim. And who is pulling those strings? That's right...Putin. Follow the money. It ain't rocket science

 

[pecksniff]

It isn't about "polarization". That has always existed. It is about the focusing of the polarization. Lit is a microcosm of society. What is the probability of a certain segment of Lit, repeating the same talking points AFTER their media sources "inform" them with disinformation? They don't have the same talking points before their media tells them what to say. Why do they all same the same thing after? They can't even reword it. It is verbatim. And who is pulling those strings? That's right...Putin. Follow the money. It ain't rocket science

You seem to be saying that Putin has some personal input in the RW media outlets.

 

[CornusKousa]

Lets face it, the thing you are defending is white male Christian dominance over everything and you don't even love yourself as much as you NEED to dominate these other people.

What the fuck?? What "male Christian domiance"??

You mean telling you control freak commie fuckwads to mind your own god damn bidnizz??

That's not a need to dominate anyone.

Hopefully they turn back toward the left and fuck the center.

Yea....there is that NEED to force your politics on everyone else.

All that talk about the NEED to dominate was obviously a projection.

Hillary didn't win (despite the fact that she should have)

Why should she have won??

You hate liberty AND democracy.....typical anti-American Democrat.


Probably support non-citizens voting and open borders too don't ya??

It isn't about "polarization". That has always existed. It is about the focusing of the polarization. Lit is a microcosm of society. What is the probability of a certain segment of Lit, repeating the same talking points AFTER their media sources "inform" them with disinformation? They don't have the same talking points before their media tells them what to say. Why do they all same the same thing after? They can't even reword it. It is verbatim. And who is pulling those strings? That's right...Putin. Follow the money. It ain't rocket science

Putin is running CNN, MSNBC, RAW, Salon, NYT, Slate, Wonkette, Jacobin and DailyKO's?? Wow....

 

[pecksniff]

What the fuck?? What "male Christian domiance"??

You mean telling you control freak commie fuckwads to mind your own god damn bidnizz??

That's not a need to dominate anyone.

What it is, is a need to shield from interference the status quo of a social order already based on white male Christian dominance, etc.

 

[CornusKousa]

What it is, is a need to shield from interference the status quo of a social order already based on white male Christian dominance, etc.

What white male Christian dominance??



It's not the 1830's anymore.

Tell me what white Christian males can do that I can't??

What rights and immunities do white Christian males get that my yellow atheist ass doesn't??

Can you name even one???

 

[pecksniff]

What white male Christian dominance??

Just look at the social composition of the overclass. They're the ones who decide what happens and what doesn't. They're the ones who control the "Deep State" to the extent there is such a thing.

Joseph Palmi: "Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about your people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?"

Edward Wilson: "The United States of America. It's ours. The rest of you are just visiting."

-- The Good Shepherd

 

[YDB95]

Has everyone forgotten that polarization is literally in the Leftist playbook? It's deliberate, and it's leftist.

I speak English, French, and Wingnut. Here, the translation is "If them goddamn feminazis and n*****s remembered their place, we'd all get along fine!"

 

[CornusKousa]

I speak English, French, and Wingnut. Here, the translation is "If them goddamn feminazis and n*****s remembered their place, we'd all get along fine!"

Turn that ascription up to 11!!!!!

It's really the only thing you have.

 

[CornusKousa]

Just look at the social composition of the overclass.

What overclass?? There is no such thing...there is no nobility or caste.

It's not 1721 peck.

They're the ones who decide what happens and what doesn't. They're the ones who control the "Deep State" to the extent there is such a thing.

??? LMFAO!!! You sound like a poorly put together Alex Jones.....leave the conspiracy theory bullshit to the professional bullshitters.

Joseph Palmi: "Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about your people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?"

Edward Wilson: "The United States of America. It's ours. The rest of you are just visiting."

-- The Good Shepherd

You watch too many movies, and you can't show any sort of "white male Christian dominance".

You just hate white male Christians.