99.5 % covid deaths are the unvaccinated...6,000 in June!

[OldJourno]

You're incorrect:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...s-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too

Covid, thanks to the ingnorant who are the sprayers, is mutating towards causing more fatalities in both the young and the "very healthy". This is exactly how viruses work and all studies of virology support this causality....more spread makes for more chances for a mutation to come back at all of us in a serious way.

Maybe you didn't read it. Yeah, young people are "at risk" of getting Covid. I always thought anyone could get it. But the young people are not going to the hospital or going to die from Covid unless they've got those dreaded co-morbidities, so nothing has really changed. It's right there in the story you linked.
And I never saw anything in the first story you linked that reported Republicans and conservatives were dying because they haven't been vaccinated.

 

[Lazaran]

Maybe you didn't read it. Yeah, young people are "at risk" of getting Covid. I always thought anyone could get it. But the young people are not going to the hospital or going to die from Covid unless they've got those dreaded co-morbidities, so nothing has really changed. It's right there in the story you linked.
And I never saw anything in the first story you linked that reported Republicans and conservatives were dying because they haven't been vaccinated.

They act as a massive group of hosts, providing massive opportunities for mutations which will ultimately out pace the vaccines, and possibly become more lethal.

The final solution crowd has no problem with the elderly and the infirm dying, so young people acting as incubators is probably a good thing in their minds.

SAD!!!

 

[ll74]

Wanna take bets it wasn't either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine but one not approved in the US?

Edit...like the one developed in GB and forced through cause they put all their eggs in one basket? The one where they fudged the data to try to make it look better? You know...Astra Zenica...

I would say that's irrelevant and not a needed assumption. If people actually do die from adverse effects, then it's valid to risk involved, which is what we're all trying to navigate. My problem is that too many idiots use VAERS as their source for this type of information, when those cases have not been confirmed and the majority of those cases end up being unrelated to the vaccine.

Taking that into consideration, the vaccinations are incredibly safe and amazingly effective. There is a much higher risk that a virus will mutate and cause more deaths due to lack of vaccinations.

The problem is truly that people have a hard time determining risk from a new virus (and new variants) when information is sparse and instead of trusting health agencies who have the resources to address that risk, they believe Dr Bob from the internet

 

[ll74]

Maybe you didn't read it. Yeah, young people are "at risk" of getting Covid. I always thought anyone could get it. But the young people are not going to the hospital or going to die from Covid unless they've got those dreaded co-morbidities, so nothing has really changed. It's right there in the story you linked.
And I never saw anything in the first story you linked that reported Republicans and conservatives were dying because they haven't been vaccinated.

Delta is resulting in younger people with no comorbities ending up in the hospital. That's why I'm concerned.

 

[Dribble]

Delta is resulting in younger people with no comorbities ending up in the hospital. That's why I'm concerned.

Were these younger people offered the vaccine free of charge? Did they take that offer up? Why should those that used their brains care about those incapable of using their brain? There reaches a point where you must stop holding the hands of adults and stop bailing them out.

I understand the risks. But reality is what it is. You can not force retarded people to do the right thing. So the question becomes not how to prevent an outcome...but how to get through the outcome in the shortest period of time. Herd immunity is a fiction. But what can happen is enough of the population can be exposed or immunized that hot spots can be managed effectively.

Mutation...and the population genetics associated with that mutation...is a function of combinatorial probabilities. The probability of a mutation being less problematic is greater than the probability of it being worse. This is a fact. That isn't saying the virus can't get worse. It can. But will it affect those previously exposed? Especially to the Delta variant? When dealing with viruses...you work toward mitigating...not preventing...fixed probabilities.

 

[ll74]

Were these younger people offered the vaccine free of charge? Did they take that offer up? Why should those that used their brains care about those incapable of using their brain? There reaches a point where you must stop holding the hands of adults and stop bailing them out.

I understand the risks. But reality is what it is. You can not force retarded people to do the right thing. So the question becomes not how to prevent an outcome...but how to get through the outcome in the shortest period of time. Herd immunity is a fiction. But what can happen is enough of the population can be exposed or immunized that hot spots can be managed effectively.

Mutation...and the population genetics associated with that mutation...is a function of combinatorial probabilities. The probability of a mutation being less problematic is greater than the probability of it being worse. This is a fact. That isn't saying the virus can't get worse. It can. But will it affect those previously exposed? Especially to the Delta variant? When dealing with viruses...you work toward mitigating...not preventing...fixed probabilities.

I'm all for vaccination at targeted hot spots. I believe places like Mississippi and Missouri need targeted outreach and education, which is why I support Biden's door to door effort. We need local community to step up and promote public health.

But we need everyone, specifically media, to stop the messaging about this pandemic being over. It's not and Delta is the primary driver right now.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

There’s no sign of a surge in hospitalization or severe illness from the Delta variant, and the vaccines remain extremely effective.

“A second question is whether a particular variant is making infected people sicker. This question is answered fairly easily by looking at publicly available data from the CDC and comparing hospitalizations per case, particularly in regions where a new variant is more common. We analyzed these CDC data and found that the hospitalization data support none of the alarming headlines suggesting Delta is more dangerous than earlier strains.

“Hospitalization data are a key to understanding the overall risk for two reasons. They tell us whether healthcare systems are overwhelmed, and they predict deaths with high reliability. Positivity data are less reliable, especially the relationship between infection and hospitalizations becomes weaker in highly vaccinated countries like the U.S. We conducted similar analyses in April, when headlines were raging that the U.K. variant, now called Alpha, was driving surges in kids. We found that it wasn’t, and that juvenile hospitalizations weren’t rising in places with a high prevalence of the Alpha variant.

“In the U.S. overall, hospitalizations fell consistently from their daily peak in early January of 133,214 to an average of about 12,000 in late June and early July. In the past few weeks, however, hospitalizations bottomed out and are rising in places with low rates of vaccination and low levels of natural immunity. Hospitalizations in children have been consistently low since the first domestic Covid-19 case was found in February 2020, and they haven’t increased since Delta emerged.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/delta-...accine-immunity-11626374706?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

 

[ll74]

There’s no sign of a surge in hospitalization or severe illness from the Delta variant, and the vaccines remain extremely effective.

“A second question is whether a particular variant is making infected people sicker. This question is answered fairly easily by looking at publicly available data from the CDC and comparing hospitalizations per case, particularly in regions where a new variant is more common. We analyzed these CDC data and found that the hospitalization data support none of the alarming headlines suggesting Delta is more dangerous than earlier strains.

“Hospitalization data are a key to understanding the overall risk for two reasons. They tell us whether healthcare systems are overwhelmed, and they predict deaths with high reliability. Positivity data are less reliable, especially the relationship between infection and hospitalizations becomes weaker in highly vaccinated countries like the U.S. We conducted similar analyses in April, when headlines were raging that the U.K. variant, now called Alpha, was driving surges in kids. We found that it wasn’t, and that juvenile hospitalizations weren’t rising in places with a high prevalence of the Alpha variant.

“In the U.S. overall, hospitalizations fell consistently from their daily peak in early January of 133,214 to an average of about 12,000 in late June and early July. In the past few weeks, however, hospitalizations bottomed out and are rising in places with low rates of vaccination and low levels of natural immunity. Hospitalizations in children have been consistently low since the first domestic Covid-19 case was found in February 2020, and they haven’t increased since Delta emerged.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/delta-...accine-immunity-11626374706?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

You are incorrect

CoxHealth's hospital in Springfield was treating 125 COVID-19 patients as of Monday. The city's other major hospital, Mercy Hospital Springfield, reported 134 patients with COVID-19, including several children. More than 20 were on ventilators.

As a result of the influx, Mercy Hospital announced Sunday it was opening a sixth COVID-19 unit. Last year, it needed only five.

More than half of patients are from the rural counties around Springfield, according to Greene County health data.

 

[Dribble]

I'm all for vaccination at targeted hot spots. I believe places like Mississippi and Missouri need targeted outreach and education, which is why I support Biden's door to door effort. We need local community to step up and promote public health.

But we need everyone, specifically media, to stop the messaging about this pandemic being over. It's not and Delta is the primary driver right now.

You can't educate stupid. That is why I support letting this run its course in the shortest amount of time. This was not my view last year...but who knew that America really had this many stupid selfish people? The longer we play games with this...the greater the probability of it actually mutating into something the vaccines won't work on. Genetic mutation isn't just a frequency issue. It is also dictated by the starting strain. Let this strain dominate....not one that has the potential to be worse. Will another 200k die? Yes. But it is better than the alternative

 

[ll74]

With dipshits like this, no wonder people are believing stupid shit. Vaccines save lives...and Laura is vaccinated....make no mistake about that.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You are incorrect

The source data comes from the CDC.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

7 Day Average Covid Deaths

Mississippi
January 1, 2021: 36
July 15, 2021: 3

Missouri
January 1, 2021: 39
July 15, 2021: 14

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

The truth about vaccines that the CDC doesn’t want you to know

https://trialsitenews.com/vaccine-truth-cdc/

On July 15, 2021, the US Surgeon General called COVID misinformation an “urgent threat.” We couldn’t agree more.

But what he conveniently neglects to say is that the misinformation is coming from the CDC, FDA, and NIH. Those organizations don’t want you to know how many people have been killed or permanently disabled by the COVID vaccines. They don’t want you to learn about the 12 year old girl in the Pfizer trial who was paralyzed for life less than 24 hours after getting the vaccine, and how her data was excluded from the Phase 3 trial so the vaccines would look perfectly safe.

https://cdn-blbig.nitrocdn.com/RppJEGszVQDsHaDmJALKAcnlDmBMWVWR/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-c4ddba7/UwxI_Oc4VYp9yKE7hhFDrBnlfBpnM83wU_r_jvkJboEhYKicDJIXKJg9zUVBIQz3qngAKbCrmBZlWskJL7HH5yduzL_U2-eUxY6lu6raVR3TsXzuCI2Hkv5iP5ui5sN08RcXZx5C

Normally, once over 50 people die, you stop the vaccine. For example, Back in 1976, 9 states halted the swine flu vaccine after just 3 deaths. Before it was halted nationwide, up to 32 people were estimated to have died and over 450 people were diagnosed with Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

But here, there is no limit to how many people can be killed. Nobody in government will call for a halt. We are at 438 cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome, over 9,000 deaths reported, and 438,440 adverse event reports.....

 

[Philthy_Phil]

There’s no sign of a surge in hospitalization or severe illness from the Delta variant, and the vaccines remain extremely effective.

“A second question is whether a particular variant is making infected people sicker. This question is answered fairly easily by looking at publicly available data from the CDC and comparing hospitalizations per case, particularly in regions where a new variant is more common. We analyzed these CDC data and found that the hospitalization data support none of the alarming headlines suggesting Delta is more dangerous than earlier strains.

“Hospitalization data are a key to understanding the overall risk for two reasons. They tell us whether healthcare systems are overwhelmed, and they predict deaths with high reliability. Positivity data are less reliable, especially the relationship between infection and hospitalizations becomes weaker in highly vaccinated countries like the U.S. We conducted similar analyses in April, when headlines were raging that the U.K. variant, now called Alpha, was driving surges in kids. We found that it wasn’t, and that juvenile hospitalizations weren’t rising in places with a high prevalence of the Alpha variant.

“In the U.S. overall, hospitalizations fell consistently from their daily peak in early January of 133,214 to an average of about 12,000 in late June and early July. In the past few weeks, however, hospitalizations bottomed out and are rising in places with low rates of vaccination and low levels of natural immunity. Hospitalizations in children have been consistently low since the first domestic Covid-19 case was found in February 2020, and they haven’t increased since Delta emerged.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/delta-...accine-immunity-11626374706?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

What a dumb boomer.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

What a dumb boomer.

Gee, you really clobbered me with your compelling facts and logic!

 

[DeluxAuto]

7 Day Average Covid Deaths

Mississippi
January 1, 2021: 36
July 15, 2021: 3

Missouri
January 1, 2021: 39
July 15, 2021: 14

I guess you think a massive 70% increase is a good thing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/07162021/images/cases-07162021.jpg

 

[ll74]

But here, there is no limit to how many people can be killed. Nobody in government will call for a halt. We are at 438 cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome, over 9,000 deaths reported, and 438,440 adverse event reports.....

VAERS does not accurately describe vaccine effects, no matter how many times you post the publicly available data.

 

[ll74]

7 Day Average Covid Deaths

Mississippi
January 1, 2021: 36
July 15, 2021: 3

Missouri
January 1, 2021: 39
July 15, 2021: 14

Hospitalizations come before deaths. Hospitalization surges, which are happening are what you claimed are not happening.

 

[ll74]

ICU is filling up

Those ICUs are also filling with younger patients, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, including many with no underlying health problems. In part, that’s because elderly people have been more likely to get vaccinated, leaving Delta with a younger pool of vulnerable hosts. While experts are still uncertain if Delta is deadlier than the original coronavirus,

every physician and nurse in Missouri whom I spoke with told me that the 30- and 40-something COVID-19 patients they’re now seeing are much sicker than those they saw last year. ​

“That age group did get COVID before, but they didn’t usually end up in the ICU like they are now,” Jonathan Brown, a respiratory therapist at Mercy, told me. Nurses are watching families navigate end-of-life decisions for young people who have no advance directives or other legal documents in place.

Almost every COVID-19 patient in Springfield’s hospitals is unvaccinated, and the dozen or so exceptions are all either elderly or immunocompromised people. The vaccines are working as intended, but the number of people who have refused to get their shots is crushing morale.

 

[zipman]

Lol, entry single state has seen an increase and right wingers are saying it's going down.

Fucking morons.

 

[Lazaran]

.
The Deplorables never acknowledge the cellular damage to Covid SURVIVOR'S internal organs.

That damage makes them more susceptible to worse outcomes from other diseases; maybe even from a Covid variant that could arise out of the giant Petri dish of unvaccinated Deplorables.

Dumb Deplorables are Dumb.

*nods*

 

[DeluxAuto]

Poor boomer. Left this thread quick fast and in a hurry.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Poor boomer. Left this thread quick fast and in a hurry.

Because Missouri ICU’s are only occupied at 83% of capacity? Lol. Ok.

 

[Lazaran]

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Quit removing all doubt BabyBooBoo.

 

[KeithD]

Because Missouri ICU’s are only occupied at 83% of capacity? Lol. Ok.

No, not OK. Source and date of source? I don't think that's current.

Is there a reason you didn't provide a source with the assertion?--because you knew it wasn't an accurate, up-to-date source and you want to play down a pandemic among the ignorant unvaccinated crowd? It doesn't bother you that Trumpian misinformation is killing people needlessly?