How do we keep the RWs out of the police departments?

[pecksniff]

It's clearly urgently necessary. Entertaining suggestions.

 

[Ramone45]

The Portland Rapid Response Team resigned en masse. I don't know what RWs are, but I think you'd better be prepared to provide your own security.

 

[pecksniff]

The Portland Rapid Response Team resigned en masse. I don't know what RWs are, but I think you'd better be prepared to provide your own security.

I'd place more confidence in a Soviet "militia" (like in Martin Cruz Smith's Arkady Renko novels) than an American PD.

 

[KeithD]

Or hire people for the police who aren't dumb enough to be bamboozled by Donald Trump . . . or Ramona, for that matter.

 

[pecksniff]

Or hire people for the police who aren't dumb enough to be bamboozled by Donald Trump . . . or Ramona, for that matter.

Well, that's the question -- how do you screen for them?

 

[Ramone45]

I'd place more confidence in a Soviet "militia" (like in Martin Cruz Smith's Arkady Renko novels) than an American PD.

I think that the police become a reflection of the milieu in which they function.

 

[pecksniff]

I think that the police become a reflection of the milieu in which they function.

Not if the "milieu" is the society they serve. I've seen stats -- American cops are far, far to the right of the general population. That's the problem.

 

[KeithD]

Well, that's the question -- how do you screen for them?

As I've posted before I think the mistake is in giving preference to hiring soldiers we've sent to Afghanistan and Iraq and have learned to devalue life. They come home with the mind-set of occupiers more than of public servants. So, I wouldn't be fast to hire MPs coming home from foreign military service--at least not without a strong readjustment of attitude program that separates what armed foreign occupation is from what domestic policing is.

This isn't a new issue. This was being covered when I attended the U.S Army War College in the late 1980s.

 

[Dribble]

It's clearly urgently necessary. Entertaining suggestions.

Guns.

No guns...no false penis

 

[pecksniff]

I'd place more confidence in a Soviet "militia" (like in Martin Cruz Smith's Arkady Renko novels) than an American PD.

That might require some explanation -- the Communists thought of "police," not entirely without justification, as the hired guards of the bourgeoisie. When they came to power in Russia, they found they still needed police -- not just secret police, but uniformed street-level cops -- so they called the departments "militia," which sounded more revolutionary-democratic, somehow. But a Soviet militia was organized and functioned just like a Western police department. Renko is a militia detective. Or was. (I don't know whether they've changed the name back since the Communist regime fell, like they changed Leningrad back to St. Petersburg.)

That is why in Anthony Burgess' A Clockwork Orange, the teenagers' Russian-derived nadsat slang calls the police "millicents" -- from the Russian militsia.

 

[pecksniff]

And so long as it is even possible for any American cops to be recruited into such organizations as the Oath Keepers or the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, something is very wrong with their institutional culture.

 

[YDB95]

Hate to say it, but I don't see any way we can stop right-wingers from being attracted to a profession that effectively allows them to abuse anyone they don't like with impunity.

 

[Ramone45]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Cops deal with the absolute dregs of society. It is a job that you personally could never do because you are too weak , physically and mentally. You hate cops until you need them. If you saw what cops see, you would hate humanity too. It is an awful, thankless job. Police are the way they are because of the shit they have to deal with. You would be the same. I personally have zero problems with the police because I obey the law, and I am respectful of police authority in the extremely rare instances I have interacted with them (Traffic offenses).

 

[CornusKousa]

Not if the "milieu" is the society they serve. I've seen stats -- American cops are far, far to the right of the general population. That's the problem.

Why is that the problem??

And so long as it is even possible for any American cops to be recruited into such organizations as the Oath Keepers or the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, something is very wrong with their institutional culture.

What's wrong with their institutional culture?

Hate to say it, but I don't see any way we can stop right-wingers from being attracted to a profession that effectively allows them to abuse anyone they don't like with impunity.

Being a cop, where you literally get fired for doing your job, is no such thing.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Hate to say it, but I don't see any way we can stop right-wingers from being attracted to a profession that effectively allows them to abuse anyone they don't like with impunity.

We don't need to stop them from joining, what needs to be done is to set up safe guards, training,policies and oversight in LEA's to weed out those who found abusing their position.

It has been a struggle here in Canada, yet there is progress in catching and prosecuting LEO's found to be engaging in Racist/Abusive behaviours. Removing leadership that will turn a blind eye to this, as well as getting these cases in front of Judges.

 

[ll74]

It's clearly urgently necessary. Entertaining suggestions.

This is confusing to me.

You want to keep people who align with the right wing out of police departments?

Maybe you can put their pictures up with a "yes" or "no" label in the HR department?

This is a dumb topic

 

[ll74]

I think there are much better questions regarding policing that need to be discussed that aren't political.

1. How do you ensure proper policies exist to promote good stewardship within police departments, specifically in the community they serve?
2. How do you ensure valid information regarding an applicant's history in previous positions is available for departments?
3. How does a department detect bad faith actors operating outside of regulating policies?

But truly this is an oversimplified thread subject.

Officer history needs to be well documented and shared.
Department hiring policies need to be structured In ways to discover bad actors before hiring.
Department policies need to be structured in ways to punish and remove those bad actors and document that action in a way that's available to all departments
Department policies need to be structured to encourage good practices by it's officers

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As with everything, it's best to have standards developed independently with input provided from local, regional and federal departments and then providing resources to those departments in order to enact those standards.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Because bringing a persons politics into a hiring process is always a good idea.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

I think there are much better questions regarding policing that need to be discussed that aren't political.

1. How do you ensure proper policies exist to promote good stewardship within police departments, specifically in the community they serve?
2. How do you ensure valid information regarding an applicant's history in previous positions is available for departments?
3. How does a department detect bad faith actors operating outside of regulating policies?

But truly this is an oversimplified thread subject.

Officer history needs to be well documented and shared.
Department hiring policies need to be structured In ways to discover bad actors before hiring.
Department policies need to be structured in ways to punish and remove those bad actors and document that action in a way that's available to all departments
Department policies need to be structured to encourage good practices by it's officers

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As with everything, it's best to have standards developed independently with input provided from local, regional and federal departments and then providing resources to those departments in order to enact those standards.

I agree with this except for the bad actors. Why you got a problem with Shatner? He's awesome.

 

[ll74]

I agree with this except for the bad actors. Why you got a problem with Shatner? He's awesome.

Are you talking about his great acting or great singing?

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Are you talking about his great acting or great singing?

An underappreciated genius

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's clearly urgently necessary. Entertaining suggestions.

Ask potential applicants one simple question: "Who won the 2020 US Presidential election?"

Limit answers to two words.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ask potential applicants one simple question: "Who won the 2020 US Presidential election?"

Limit answers to two words.

That wouldn't keep RW'ers out of the PD though.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hodor!

Shut up, Hodor.

 

[CornusKousa]

Shut up, Hodor.

Awwwww the old racist white guy doesn't like his stupidity being pointed out.