Taboo Factor

[gordo12]

Ran into an interesting graphic on the taboo factor and gender interest of various kinks. I didn't see anything surprising, although there is no data on how big the response pool was. One thing I didn't see was interracial sex. There is race roleplay, but to me, that isn't necessarily outright sex!

https://knowingless.com/2017/07/03/sexualtaboos/

 

[ElectricBlue]

Ran into an interesting graphic on the taboo factor and gender interest of various kinks. I didn't see anything surprising, although there is no data on how big the response pool was. One thing I didn't see was interracial sex. There is race roleplay, but to me, that isn't necessarily outright sex!

https://knowingless.com/2017/07/03/sexualtaboos/

It notes the sample size is 2,044 - in the grey shaded blurb under the chart.

Is inter-racial sex a taboo for anyone? A kink maybe, but a taboo? I have no idea on that one.

 

[TadOverdon]

It notes the sample size is 2,044 - in the grey shaded blurb under the chart.

Is inter-racial sex a taboo for anyone? A kink maybe, but a taboo? I have no idea on that one.

Very much so, particularly for many folks in the U.S.

There is race roleplay, but to me, that isn't necessarily outright sex!

There's nothing different or special about two people of different backgrounds having sex. All the "BBC" and fetishization you see in interracial porn could be described as "race roleplay."

 

[lovecraft68]

It notes the sample size is 2,044 - in the grey shaded blurb under the chart.

Is inter-racial sex a taboo for anyone? A kink maybe, but a taboo? I have no idea on that one.

My personal feeling is that if interracial is seen by someone as taboo, which loose definition is something that would be forbidden, then that's a good example of racism.

If it seen as a kink, or to me perhaps the word fetish might apply as in you have a thing for someone with darker, lighter skin or certain ethnic features, that's totally different.

 

[lovecraft68]

Oh, and BTW...the article was written in July of 2017.

 

[gordo12]

It notes the sample size is 2,044 - in the grey shaded blurb under the chart.

Is inter-racial sex a taboo for anyone? A kink maybe, but a taboo? I have no idea on that one.

Thanks, I missed that stat. Small print, old eyes. Yes, I believe for any woman of the 50's through maybe 2000 it would be considered taboo. Probably because of parental influence.

Very much so, particularly for many folks in the U.S.



There's nothing different or special about two people of different backgrounds having sex. All the "BBC" and fetishization you see in interracial porn could be described as "race roleplay."

The definition of roleplay, and maybe I'm putting too strict a definition on it, seems to describe fantasy more than reality.

role playing
[ˈrōl ˌplāiNG]
NOUN
roleplay (noun)
the acting out of the part of a particular person or character, for example as a technique in training or psychotherapy.
"specific guidelines need to followed for role playing to be effective" · "role-playing exercises"
psychology
the unconscious acting out of a particular role in accordance with the perceived expectations of society.
participation in a role-playing game.

My personal feeling is that if interracial is seen by someone as taboo, which loose definition is something that would be forbidden, then that's a good example of racism.

If it seen as a kink, or to me perhaps the word fetish might apply as in you have a thing for someone with darker, lighter skin or certain ethnic features, that's totally different.

It's all those things. A lot would depend on the generation.

Oh, and BTW...the article was written in July of 2017.

Ah yes, because society has demonstrated so much enlightenment in the last couple of years.

Here's a thought. You can put ANY race character you like in LW. I swear I've seen every race, creed and colour. Nothing will get said. Make it a black male, and half the posters are screaming it belongs in I/R. Of course, nowhere in the description of LW does it say...whites only.

The other thing I found sketchy was the high degree of interest shown in other positions. That to me is like an old pair of boots. Comfy but I've been there and done that.

 

[jaF0]

When it comes to interpersonal relationships ... who you're going to marry and reproduce with, I don't have a problem with people who prefer to be with 'their own kind', whatever that means. In some parts of the world, if you pick the wrong partner (be it race, nationality, beliefs or whatever), your family might cut you off completely, disown you. So, yes, it can be taboo.

When it comes to public interaction as far as employment or housing, that's a whole different issue.

 

[lovecraft68]

Thanks, I missed that stat. Small print, old eyes. Yes, I believe for any woman of the 50's through maybe 2000 it would be considered taboo. Probably because of parental influence.



The definition of roleplay, and maybe I'm putting too strict a definition on it, seems to describe fantasy more than reality.

role playing
[ˈrōl ˌplāiNG]
NOUN
roleplay (noun)
the acting out of the part of a particular person or character, for example as a technique in training or psychotherapy.
"specific guidelines need to followed for role playing to be effective" · "role-playing exercises"
psychology
the unconscious acting out of a particular role in accordance with the perceived expectations of society.
participation in a role-playing game.

It's all those things. A lot would depend on the generation.



Ah yes, because society has demonstrated so much enlightenment in the last couple of years.

Here's a thought. You can put ANY race character you like in LW. I swear I've seen every race, creed and colour. Nothing will get said. Make it a black male, and half the posters are screaming it belongs in I/R. Of course, nowhere in the description of LW does it say...white's only.

The other thing I found sketchy was the high degree of interest shown in other positions. That to me is like an old pair of boots. Comfy but I've been there and done that.

The LW readership is the lowest of the low, being racist is par for the course. But I think the reason a black man gets more of a rise out of them is...the racist way the author portrays the black bull, mostly thuggish, demeaning to the husband, at times demeaning to the wife....the entire point of an LW author putting the black bull in is to show the wife as even trashier for being with a black man, like its the ultimate sin or to deliberately fuel the ignorant reaction they're getting, in other words race baiting, its own special breed of hate.

So go on and toss the authors and their racist shit in with the readers racist shit because one is feeding the other.

That's fact whether the people there like it or not.


I have written interracial sex scenes in some of my novels and I think in two stories here, neither in LW because I won't feed that brand of hate, and neither in interracial, which often is not much better than LW in portraying black men.

But here's the thing about my IR scenes....there is no beating the racial difference to death during it. They're two characters having sex who happen to be black and white. That's it

I write PEOPLE having sex. Not stereotypes or writing to trigger people. If someone has the IR kink my scene will appeal to them because they imagine the characters, if they're a shitstain any scene with get them going, but its not through anything I've done.

 

[ElectricBlue]

The other thing I found sketchy was the high degree of interest shown in other positions. That to me is like an old pair of boots. Comfy but I've been there and done that.

Yes, I thought that one odd, too. One would think someone prepared to do a survey about taboo sex would have got past the missionary position, but there we are!

 

[NotWise]

There are a lot of interesting features in that graphic. It looks like the survey concentrated on actual sex rather than on fantasy, so we have "incest roleplay" etc. rather than just "incest."

But:

Incest roleplay (for men) and rapeplay (for women) are well above the trend; they are more commonly interesting than other similarly taboo acts. Heavy bondage also falls above the trend, but the interest is not as exclusively from women.

The most taboo acts are primarily male. The least taboo acts are held rather equally between the genders, and the interest by women dominate some in-between categories.

I'm totally not surprised that piercing/cutting (I think we're talking self-mutilation) is mostly an interest for women.

Foot fetishes (a largely male interest) fall well below the trend; they aren't as interesting as similarly taboo acts. That did surprise me a little, since foot play seems pretty common.

The responses came from a small number of social media sources. Trends among a more general population may be different.

 

[TadOverdon]

The definition of roleplay, and maybe I'm putting too strict a definition on it, seems to describe fantasy more than reality.

Most interracial porn I see on the internet assigns fairly specific, fetishistic characteristics to black characters. These have nothing to do with any realities of biological variation between people of different backgrounds, or really much that's observant about differing cultural backgrounds and expectations. They are stereotypical fantasies that excite people who are into the kink.

I've written some of it, and found that there are limits to my patience with the expected stock characters and situations.

 

[SouthernCrossfire]

The other thing I found sketchy was the high degree of interest shown in other positions. That to me is like an old pair of boots. Comfy but I've been there and done that.

The point to that one is that there's a high interest (9 out of 10) in other positions (i.e., practically everyone does it) and the taboo factor was 1 on their 1-10 scale. In other words, other positions is essentially not taboo at all these days. Conversely, the more taboo an entry is perceived, the fewer people will admit to having an interest in it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Ran into an interesting graphic on the taboo factor and gender interest of various kinks. I didn't see anything surprising, although there is no data on how big the response pool was. One thing I didn't see was interracial sex. There is race roleplay, but to me, that isn't necessarily outright sex!

https://knowingless.com/2017/07/03/sexualtaboos/

Perhaps they simply didn't think to ask about that one?

 

[LAHomedog]

If it seen as a kink, or to me perhaps the word fetish might apply as in you have a thing for someone with darker, lighter skin or certain ethnic features, that's totally different.

Yeah, what is the difference between a kink and a fetish? I knew once, but forgot. For example, I am attracted to redheaded women. (My wife is a redhead.) Is that a fetish, or just an attraction? I'm sure it is not a kink.

I have a very close friend going all the way to college who is a black woman and only dates white guys. (Both of her husbands were white and she really is only a friend.) Fetish or attraction?

On the chart, I found it interesting that what I consider the "heavier" stuff like choking, bondage and rapeplay leaned female. Not surprising, but interesting.

 

[gordo12]

Yes, I thought that one odd, too. One would think someone prepared to do a survey about taboo sex would have got past the missionary position, but there we are!

I suspect it was the way the question might have been worded. For instance: "Are you interested in other positions than missionary?" Who wouldn't say yes?

We had a thread sometime back about women's fantasies and I remember faux rape play or being forced was #1. Yet on that graph, it doesn't make it to the halfway point on the interest axle.

My thinking when I ran into this graph is that I could use it for writing from the female viewpoint. Picking kinks that a female reader would identify with as being female.

The more I look at it the more it leaves me scratching my head. I suspect the data pool was too small for really accurate answers.

 

[NotWise]

Maybe you're overthinking it.

 

[SimonDoom]

Maybe you're overthinking it.

This is a universal, always-true principle about almost everything. I'm guilty of this constantly. But that's partly because I LIKE to overthink things. One might say it's almost a kink or fetish.

I noticed it's not, however, on Gordo's chart.

On a slightly -- very slightly -- more serious note, I think the "Is it a kink or is it a fetish?" question is akin to the "Is it porn or erotica?" question. It's a rabbit hole with no bottom but lots of rabbit poop.