What category should I post in?

[AngelaSaxon]

Hoping for advice on where I should place a story I'm currently writing...

A boyfriend is frustrated because his extremely hot girlfriend always says no to anal sex. Eventually he finds a way to trick her into HAVING to take his dick up her ass whether she wants to or not.

Should this go in 'Anal' or 'Nonconsent'?

It is literally all about anal sex.

And it is literally all about how she won't consent to it...

What do people think?

 

[DanDraper]

Definitely non-consent. It doesn't matter how much you're focusing on a particular way he's having sex with her, the fact that she doesn't want it and that it's forced on her makes it non-consent.

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[AngelaSaxon]

Definitely non-consent. It doesn't matter how much you're focusing on a particular way he's having sex with her, the fact that she doesn't want it and that it's forced on her makes it non-consent.

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Oh ok, got it.

Does rhat mean the stories in Anal are all fully consensual? Because that is not the impression I've had at all...

 

[shewantsmore]

She dont want sex or anal sex so you have to trick her into it,so shes not agreeing so it has to go into the non con ,

 

[ElectricBlue]

Oh ok, got it.

Does rhat mean the stories in Anal are all fully consensual? Because that is not the impression I've had at all...

Many are - mine for example, and others I've read are consensual.

There may well be non-consensual content that should really be in non-con. Your story is non-con, based on your outline.

 

[DanDraper]

Oh ok, got it.

Does rhat mean the stories in Anal are all fully consensual? Because that is not the impression I've had at all...

I know what you mean. It's not all of them, but there are a few where they get anal unexpectedly and the writer doesn't describe it as being consensual and it shouldn't be there. The problem is that when a write submits a story to a category, it often goes there regardless of what it should be. Plenty of times I've seen loving wives in erotic couplings and vice versa. Sometimes the moderators don't look into where it should belong.

I would say go with what you think is best, but if you're not sure, then asking on these boards for other people's opinions can help.

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[AngelaSaxon]

Seems clear people think noncon from my description, so I'll put it there.

For some reason I'm slightly disappointed but so it goes.

 

[KeithD]

Seems clear people think noncon from my description, so I'll put it there.

For some reason I'm slightly disappointed but so it goes.

If you really want it in anal, you could mark it for that and let Laurel override you--or not. It's not arms and legs and, as you've noted, it's not clearly separated.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I would say go with what you think is best, but if you're not sure, then asking on these boards for other people's opinions can help.

Laurel will generally put a story where the author wants it to go, but could move it either to align with her non-con policy (in this case), or put it in the category where she thinks it will run best.

Non-con trumps anal as a category, and from what I see on these boards, she's generally tightening up on policy based category placements.

The OP could ask Laurel when she submits the story, with a Note to the Editor asking her to look more closely.

 

[lovecraft68]

Seems clear people think noncon from my description, so I'll put it there.

For some reason I'm slightly disappointed but so it goes.

You might get more attention in Non con, it has a bigger readership, and belongs there anyway. Not sure what the readers are like in Anal, but you might catch some flack for the non con.

 

[AngelaSaxon]

Non-con trumps anal as a category, and from what I see on these boards, she's generally tightening up on policy based category placement.

Is it actually written somewhere that non-com trumps anal?

I'm not doubting, just wondering if that is actually explicitly stated somewhere.

I mean, that would be a pretty clear answer to my original question, even clearer than what I think seems like the fairly obvious consensus of people responding here (for which thanks, everyone).

 

[KeithD]

You can't count on having much in the way of explicit posted rules at Literotica. That's just the way it is. That doesn't mean that the single submissions editor doesn't have her own understanding of hard selection issues--at least in the moment. You look for "best practices" discussions from those who have a lot of experience in posting stories here. That's what you asked for on this thread, that's what you got, and that's pretty much all other users can give you.

 

[AngelaSaxon]

You can't count on having much in the way of explicit posted rules at Literotica. That's just the way it is. That doesn't mean that the single submissions editor doesn't have her own understanding of hard selection issues--at least in the moment. You look for "best practices" discussions from those who have a lot of experience in posting stories here. That's what you asked for on this thread, that's what you got, and that's pretty much all other users can give you.

I wasn't complaining. I said thanks to people!

 

[KeithD]

True, but you were just getting into what isn't available here. Best to establish what's real.

I suggest not fussing with it. You have shown a preference. Just go with it. Laurel claims and exercises the right to assign categories. Just pick the one you like best and live with the one you get.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Is it actually written somewhere that non-com trumps anal?

Probably not, but the advice is being gven based on many years in AH, where the individual anecdotal comments from folks navigating story rejections build up to a fairly solid understanding of what gets the most scrutiny, which in no particular order are: the eighteen year rule, non-con must ultimately give satisfaction, no snuff, no bestiality, no non-con with celebs or fan-fiction, a general (but not complete) coralling of incest.

Anal is rarely contentious, unless combined with other themes (hence the notion that non-con trumps anal).

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm going to dissent from the other advice you are being given. I think they're probably all wrong. The only reason I say "probably" is that you don't explain what you mean by how he tricks her into taking dick up the ass whether she wants it or not. I have no idea what that means.

The sole question you should be asking is this: what's the erotic focus of the story, and what about your story is going to make readers aroused? Nothing else matters. The moral scruples of other Literotica authors don't matter one iota. This sounds to me like an Anal story, and that's what's going to turn people on about it. How they get to the anal sex is secondary. Whether or not the means offend the sensibilities of other authors should be COMPLETELY unimportant to you.

Both Anal and Nonconsent are categories with fairly large readerships, so they're both good choices.

Here's how I see it, assuming the Non-Con element isn't too overpowering:

If you put it in Non-Con, you'll have a bunch of readers turned off by anal sex. Yuck.

But if you put it in Anal, assuming the non-con element isn't too strong, they'll overlook the non-connish elements and enjoy the Anal. So put it in Anal, if that's what you want to do.

Laurel may disagree and put it where she wants to, but that's not a good reason for you not to put it where you want to.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm going to dissent from the other advice you are being given. I think they're probably all wrong. The only reason I say "probably" is that you don't explain what you mean by how he tricks her into taking dick up the ass whether she wants it or not. I have no idea what that means.

The sole question you should be asking is this: what's the erotic focus of the story, and what about your story is going to make readers aroused? Nothing else matters. The moral scruples of other Literotica authors don't matter one iota. This sounds to me like an Anal story, and that's what's going to turn people on about it. How they get to the anal sex is secondary. Whether or not the means offend the sensibilities of other authors should be COMPLETELY unimportant to you.

Both Anal and Nonconsent are categories with fairly large readerships, so they're both good choices.

Here's how I see it, assuming the Non-Con element isn't too overpowering:

If you put it in Non-Con, you'll have a bunch of readers turned off by anal sex. Yuck.

But if you put it in Anal, assuming the non-con element isn't too strong, they'll overlook the non-connish elements and enjoy the Anal. So put it in Anal, if that's what you want to do.

Laurel may disagree and put it where she wants to, but that's not a good reason for you not to put it where you want to.

If someone is tricked into something, it doesn't matter what the trick is, its point was to force something on her she didn't want.

If I said Simon look over there and you did and I shoved a pie in your face, or it was an accomplice calling your name to get you to look away so I can do it...you still have a pie in your face.

I think when it comes to non con people seem to try to come up with whatever means they can to make it sound like its not non con.

The discussion here isn't whether it is or is not NC, the OP admits it is so I don't know why you're bothering to Simonsplain this.

The discussion is he thinks it should be in anal or NC. By rights it belongs in NC, but as Keith said he can try anal and see what happens. Laurel is so lax that unless there is something in the tag line, title or tags, she's not going to catch it.

Its a matter of will the readership call it out and affect the score.

Slightly off topic I still have no idea why anal is even a category, it can happen in just about any other category that features sex.

 

[SimonDoom]

If someone is tricked into something, it doesn't matter what the trick is, its point was to force something on her she didn't want.

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I don't disagree with your logic. My point is that logic has nothing to do with it -- your logic, my logic, anybody's logic.

The only thing -- the only thing -- that matters is, how are readers going to respond?

A lot of people are squicked by anal. A lot of people are squicked by nonconsent. But if as the author you massage the non-con element so it's not too noticeable, or if it comes across as a trick rather than force, then readers are likely to focus on the anal and overlook the non-con. The reverse is not true. You can't hide butt-sex.

If the sex ends up in the butt, put it in the butt category.

 

[Payne_Hall]

Here's how I see it, assuming the Non-Con element isn't too overpowering:

If you put it in Non-Con, you'll have a bunch of readers turned off by anal sex. Yuck.

I don’t if this helps any, but the story I had in April that ended up on the reader’s choice thing under Non-Con was exclusively anal sex between the two characters. I don’t think it’s minded, so long as the Non-Con factor is played up somehow. It was a weird story thought, so maybe.

 

[ElectricBlue]

But if you put it in Anal, assuming the non-con element isn't too strong, they'll overlook the non-connish elements and enjoy the Anal. So put it in Anal, if that's what you want to do.

Laurel may disagree and put it where she wants to, but that's not a good reason for you not to put it where you want to.

As I saw it, the OP came for advice because the story

is literally all about anal sex.

And it is literally all about how she won't consent to it...

and, in terms of site policy on the latter, the advice was that Laurel will most likely categorise it thusly (all things being equal, because that's how the premise was described).

I agree that category choice should focus on giving readers the best clue, but I don't think author choice should take precedence over site policy as a matter of course. The site has non-con grouped together for a reason, and that's because many readers do have strong objections to it and do find it unpalatable, and don't want it sprung on them.

Reader reaction is not the "only thing" - for many people forced sex is rape, period; and if it's in non-con readers can make the choice to not even see the story, let alone open it. That's why we have categories, to guide readers. That's not moral positioning, that's categorising stories by content.

In any event, The OP needs to submit to Laurel, she'll make the call - and really, that's the best advice any of us can give.

As an aside, the notion that someone can be "tricked" into anal sex is pretty ludicrous, surely? The girl doesn't know which hole is which? Penis fish are more convincing than that .

 

[SimonDoom]

I don’t if this helps any, but the story I had in April that ended up on the reader’s choice thing under Non-Con was exclusively anal sex between the two characters. I don’t think it’s minded, so long as the Non-Con factor is played up somehow. It was a weird story thought, so maybe.

Good to know. We can all try to be as logical as we want but actual experience counts for more.

 

[AngelaSaxon]

As I saw it, the OP came for advice because the story
and, in terms of site policy on the latter, the advice was that Laurel will most likely categorise it thusly (all things being equal, because that's how the premise was described).

I agree that category choice should focus on giving readers the best clue, but I don't think author choice should take precedence over site policy as a matter of course. The site has non-con grouped together for a reason, and that's because many readers do have strong objections to it and do find it unpalatable, and don't want it sprung on them.

Reader reaction is not the "only thing" - for many people forced sex is rape, period; and if it's in non-con readers can make the choice to not even see the story, let alone open it. That's why we have categories, to guide readers. That's not moral positioning, that's categorising stories by content.

In any event, The OP needs to submit to Laurel, she'll make the call - and really, that's the best advice any of us can give.

As an aside, the notion that someone can be "tricked" into anal sex is pretty ludicrous, surely? The girl doesn't know which hole is which? Penis fish are more convincing than that .

Lol. I never meant to imply she wasn't going to notice by the time actual sex is happening! Is that seriously the only interpretation of my sentence you can imagine? I genuinely find that difficult to believe...

But people are certainly right that the non-con aspect of the story is unambiguous.

It isn't bloody or especially violent but it is utterly unambiguous, certainly non-consensual; if someone interprets the story another way they'd be doing quite a lot of work in their mind to ignore the actual text.

It's also all about anal sex but clearly people think non-con trumps anal in this context, story-category-wise.

I'm not worried about getting the most views, or massaging the text to somehow hide that it's non-con - the latter would kind of defeat my purposes. Just wanted advice on which category to submit to.

So thanks everyone for helping with that very specific and limited question. Genuinely appreciated.

Angela