Are Aunt stories really incest?

[horrorotic]

Sorry, if this is not the proper forum for this, but I figure if I put this in fetish or other places I'll get PM's about people claiming they had sex with their aunts or asking if I want to be their aunty.

And I figure this is where the writers are who have written taboo stories so...

When I think incest I think direct family; parents and siblings. to me cousins aren't that taboo. I know first cousin is technically incest, but its nothing like a sib.

But aunt/uncle...so your aunt is your mom or dad's sister. Yes there is a genetic tie, but is it strong enough to be incest? Your aunt or uncle is only related to one half of your parents

I like aunt stories, but to me they're milf with a taste of taboo, but more societal than real. Like a mother in law, yes no relation, but people would frown on someone sleeping with a mother in law for moral reasons.

Curious what people here who write/read taboo stories think about this.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Not incest, but taboo. That’s where my first story went which was between a niece and her Aunt and Uncle.

 

[horrorotic]

Not incest, but taboo. That’s where my first story went which was between a niece and her Aunt and Uncle.

I definitely think taboo is the right category, I was just thinking more in terms of people's opinions.

But then from what I've read here over the years you could slip an aunt or uncle story in mature without too much flak, but I'd say Taboo is most fitting for purposes of the platform

Thanks for replying.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Yes, taboo.

Incest, might be depending on whose rules you are looking at. Some states/countries allow marriage between close relatives... blood relatives. Most don't. So, would that be incest? Depends on how the law is written.

And don't even get me started on religions and the things they won't let you do or what they think is okay to do.

 

[oggbashan]

'Aunt' and 'aunty' has a specific meaning in the Indian sub-continent.

The closest in Western culture is MILF.

An Indian 'aunty' might not be a relation, just an older woman teaching a younger man about sex so wouldn't be incest.

 

[horrorotic]

'Aunt' and 'aunty' has a specific meaning in the Indian sub-continent.

The closest in Western culture is MILF.

An Indian 'aunty' might not be a relation, just an older woman teaching a younger man about sex so wouldn't be incest.

Didn't know that.

That's interesting, and rather hot.

Thank you

 

[horrorotic]

Yes, taboo.

Incest, might be depending on whose rules you are looking at. Some states/countries allow marriage between close relatives... blood relatives. Most don't. So, would that be incest? Depends on how the law is written.

And don't even get me started on religions and the things they won't let you do or what they think is okay to do.

Religion? Like the Bible where the in the old testament incest was rampant, but as time went on it somehow became wrong?

religion was created to control the masses. Too bad it did such a good job.

 

[SimonDoom]

I looked this up and legally it's more complicated than I expected, but for Literotica purposes these stories definitely would go in the Incest & Taboo category.

 

[jehoram]

An Indian 'aunty' might not be a relation, just an older woman teaching a younger man about sex so wouldn't be incest.

Interesting. In a story I'm writing right now, a guy's aunt is the one who takes his virginity and gives him his first lesson in pleasing a woman.

 

[BiscuitHammer]

My entire story series I call the Alexaverse is based around the illicit relationship between an aunt and her nephew. Avunculate marriage, while rare, is surprisingly legal in quite a few places, including many countries in the EU and Australia.

The legal hitch, I imagine, is the risk of passing on congenital defects to offspring, but it's usually hovering at around 12.5 percent risk for avunculate breeding, according to reputable sites. If your bloodline has no particular defects to pass on, then the risk is pretty much nil.

The social complications are rather more sharp. Icky social stigma aside, since it is technically incest, good luck convincing society that no abuse, physical or psychological, was involved. Since the stuff we hear about in the news is trauma and abuse, there's an assumption that is made. I imagine that happy and consensual avunculate relationships know to keep their heads down.

I've gone relatively easy on my aunt-nephew couple, but it's a romance story, not one of angst and psychological torture. There's an growing element of stigma and censure now that their relationship is public, but still, I'm going easy on them.

One day, maybe I'll go all Requiem For A Dream on some poor couple, but not these two.

According to legal definition in most western countries, it is indeed incest. But more and more countries are sidestepping it as long as there are no children with flippers on their heads.

Personally, I couldn't care less if I met an avunculate couple. If Game of Thrones taught us anything, it's that society will giddily accept an aunt and nephew boning, or even a brother and sister, as long as they're really hot. Just never commit the sin of being ugly when you do it.

Not that society is superficial or anything...

 

[jaF0]

Without getting into a bunch of searches and legalities, I personally have always considered Aunts, Uncles and cousins as 'incest'. Not that they would be off limits the way parents and siblings might be.

Where it gets super kinky though is if the Aunt/Uncle is an identical twin of the parent.. A guy might not screw his mother, but would be more than willing to screw her identical twin sister.

 

[KeithD]

The erotica world operates with a much broader view of what incest is than the legal world does. At Literotica, we are in the erotica world, not the legal one.

There are aunts and then there are aunts. The observation in Indian subcontinent use is a good one. But even in the States, operating on a blood relationship basis, the sister of your father is a blood relation; in most cases the wife of your father's brother isn't. They both are your aunts.

 

[TrulyFictitious]

In Cuban Spanish, "Mami" might be used by a man to refer to your mother, any sexually attractive woman, your female sexual/romantic partner, or any close female friend. "Papi" used by a woman refers to your father, any sexually attractive man, your male sexual/romantic partner, or any close male friend.

It all depends on the context.

 

[YDB95]

In Southeast Asia, "aunty" is what you call female service employees (cleaning ladies, etc.) when you don't know their names. That could be the basis of a story right there...

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Religion? Like the Bible where the in the old testament incest was rampant, but as time went on it somehow became wrong?

religion was created to control the masses. Too bad it did such a good job.

No, just the religions as they stand now. They preach that incest is against god will, yet many of those same preacher have no problem committing said violation. It's the hypocritical nature of religion. It's kind of like politicians except they found a way around the first amendment.

 

[horrorotic]

No, just the religions as they stand now. They preach that incest is against god will, yet many of those same preacher have no problem committing said violation. It's the hypocritical nature of religion. It's kind of like politicians except they found a way around the first amendment.

And not pay taxes

Faith or ones own spirituality is what matters, religion is nothing but business, groupthink and brainwashing.

 

[TrulyFictitious]

No, just the religions as they stand now. They preach that incest is against god will, yet many of those same preacher have no problem committing said violation. It's the hypocritical nature of religion. It's kind of like politicians except they found a way around the first amendment.

A true story, but one that if told in sufficient detail would not pass muster here, is of a man I knew years ago. An ordained minister, he ran a "finishing school' for young women who had graduated from high schools in impoverished areas. He was discrete but never secretive about what he did. He was frank and honest. The families of the young women were involved and consulted. Everyone understood the deal.

He traded sex for access to a better life. It was no more coerced than any other economic transaction where there is a differential of power, and he was unfailingly the advocate of his students giving them a knowledge base they wouldn't otherwise have had and teaching them how to negotiate the best deal they could make.

He had regular clients who would 'hire' his students for a set time -- like getting a new Mercedes every four years -- in return for a known 'salary and benefits package' that often included college degrees or high tech vocational training. The women's parents benefited the same way they would if their daughter had married a wealthy man who had insisted on an unbreakable pre-nuptial agreement.

I've often thought about this man -- no, I wasn't one of his students, but a childhood friend was -- he slept on the sofa in his office and used everything he earned on the school and its students. He really did a lot, a lot more than the government schools, to help his students get ahead...

Some say he'd have been a Saint had he not "prostituted" his students, or if he had not accepted the gift of sex his students frequently offered him. But that sort of a comment really makes me wonder.

How is what he did ethically different than what is commonly done in society, women getting married to a good provider, rich guys having a series of "arm-candy" girlfriends provided for -- and limited by -- pre-nuptial agreements. It was tangibly better for the women involved than the "right" way to do things.

 

[KeithD]

A true story, but one that if told in sufficient detail would not pass muster here,

There's nothing that I can see in what you've rendered in this storyline that wouldn't pass muster in a Literotica story.

 

[ishtat]

The Book of Common prayer used to include at the end; 'A Table of Kindred and Affinity' listing the people one could not marry. It did not include first cousins which was acceptable in most western countries apart from the USA.

It includes some oddities, for example, ones deceased wife's sister. When the law was changed in the UK in the 1960's the first person to make use of it was a man called Billy Butlin, a gentleman, Og, HP and one or two others might remember.

One set of my great grandparents were first cousins. They had 13 births only six got past 12 but two made it to their nineties. My father contended that their deaths were probably due to their mother's appalling cooking rather than genetics.

Useless fact to clutter your brain: President Grover Cleveland married his daughter - his adopted daughter.

 

[MissMandy86]

Are uncle stories incest ?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Are uncle stories incest ?

They should be treated the same as Aunt stories, as taboo, not incest.

 

[TrulyFictitious]

IMHO all societies differ in what constitutes Taboo sexual (reproductive) behavior based upon their rules of inheritance.

Within my own pedigree, the Seminole, Tahino, Arawak, and Carib are all matrilinear. Outsiders who married an Indian -- neither italicized word is precisely right -- woman became a member of her clan. Two great Seminole chiefs, Billy Powell -- better known as Osceola -- and Peter McQueen were the grandsons of Scotsman James McQueen. Because white society was patrilinear it gave them great influence in both societies. There are many "Black Seminoles", mostly in the Bahamas, because it was common for escaped formerly-Spanish-held slaves to join Seminole clans. Likewise, a bit further south, many escaped formerly-French-held slaves joined Arawak, Tahino, and Carib clans.

The Seminole were polygynous as well as matrilinear. In Seminole societies, only your full siblings, mother, and grandmother were too closely related to reproduce with. But traditionally the Tahino and Carib did not form nuclear families, they lived communally in single-gender clans. Within the Tahino and Carib you only knew for certain who your father's clan was, not which member of the clan was individually responsible for your existence.

Women ran the village, farmed and cared for children. Men kept the boats in repair, sailed them, and fished. Every person belonged to two clans. When the boats got back there was a big party ... Well, what happens on Managuey stays on Managuey ... In these societies, only your mother, and your grandmother were too closely related, and siblings were not strictly off-limits.

Being patrilinear other groups have exactly the opposite rules, and within one nautical tribe "brothers" are required to reproduce with their "sisters" because it keeps the titles to the fishing boats clean. This isn't necessarily a case of "incest" however because "like-value-daughter-trades" are popular (they create allegiances) so the "daughters are most often adopted rather than biological daughters.

 

[jehoram]

Interesting. In a story I'm writing right now, a guy's aunt is the one who takes his virginity and gives him his first lesson in pleasing a woman.

Well, the story has progressed to where the MC is screwing not only his aunt, but his mother and sister as well. So it's definitely incest, by any definition.

 

[KeithD]

Does a distinction mean anything at Literotica? Incest and Taboo are the same category here.

 

[oggbashan]

Does a distinction mean anything at Literotica? Incest and Taboo are the same category here.

Yes, because almost all readers of that category are expecting incest, real incest, not taboo.