Majority of Americans Want a Third Major Party.

[SevMax2]

https://youtu.be/SO3tgosYrnI

Yeah, the people are not voting because they don't like their choices, because they don't believe in the system. They know that it doesn't work anymore. It's broken. Trust is gone and it's quite understandable.

 

[FescueFan]

It's not the system that's broken.

The system is fine.

The problem is the people are not united in what they want.

There are distinct factions with stark ideological incompatibilities...but those incompatibilities are now some of our biggest problems and we're about to have to sort the shit out.

We can handle it like adults and all agree to re-structure things so we can all live and let live.

Or we can try to kill each other until one faction becomes dominant.

 

[StrictMiss]

Nice try, assholes.

First things first. Get rid of Trump by electing Biden.

 

[WillJ8787]

Correct... time for Biden. Trump is done.

 

[KeithD]

Yet another unsupported SevMax2 premise. What's the proof/evidence that a majority of Americans want a third major party? SevMax2 has this tendency to think of himself as mainstream. He's supported so many diametrically opposed off-the-wall concepts/movements here over the years that he most definitely is not mainstream.

 

[Dribble]

It isn't really about having only 2 major parties...it is about a primary system that inherently chooses the far left and far right candidates. Look...it is simple...the populous is a bell curve. 68% of the populous falls within +/- one standard deviation unit of the mean. Govern to the mean...people will always be happy. Govern to the extremes...you have what we have...a broken country

 

[Ziggins]

Any number of parties won't seal the deep cracks running through the nation. One of those cracks is the urban-rural divide, which I expect will eventually decrease as fossil fuels deplete and urban populations move to small towns and farms for work. Regional cracks are likely to become deeper, maybe new national borders as rapid transit runs out of gas, mass media flickers out, and regional culture revives.

 

[Dribble]

Any number of parties won't seal the deep cracks running through the nation. One of those cracks is the urban-rural divide, which I expect will eventually decrease as fossil fuels deplete and urban populations move to small towns and farms for work. Regional cracks are likely to become deeper, maybe new national borders as rapid transit runs out of gas, mass media flickers out, and regional culture revives.

Holy fuck are you stupid. Let me educate you about agriculture. We produce more now, with less people than ever before. How many more jobs will be needed when you already produce more than you can sell? Who decided to put tariffs on ag products? And where did those customers go? So now...let us look at small towns. What jobs? You mean those high paying $10/hr jobs? Working at the car wash? The corner diner? Oh I know i know...the gas station.

 

[SevMax2]

It isn't really about having only 2 major parties...it is about a primary system that inherently chooses the far left and far right candidates. Look...it is simple...the populous is a bell curve. 68% of the populous falls within +/- one standard deviation unit of the mean. Govern to the mean...people will always be happy. Govern to the extremes...you have what we have...a broken country

I wouldn’t call the results of primaries radical left..far from it. It’s a tendency to be pro corporate and pro war in both parties. This was a Gallup poll cited that had respondents saying that we need to break the duopoly and create a third major party.

By the way, most Americans want: single payer, a living wage, a stimulus, UBI, and peace. They have told pollsters this repeatedly. They just haven’t always connected these policies to the candidates who favor them, at least partly due to corporate media propaganda and machine politics by both parties.

 

[magicalmoments]

From my reading of the situation from afar it seems to me that the people of the USA want a second major party.
The Republicans have imploded.
Some new ideology needs to grow to replace the infection it has become and oppose the Democrats.

 

[Wrong Element]

Our structure of government makes a two-party system almost inevitable.

 

[magicalmoments]

Our structure of government makes a two-party system almost inevitable.

Seems to me that your structure of Government makes totalitarianism inevitable.

 

[kissedcherry]

Also...a third of Americans just want a have a major party

It seems like the youthful dope heads just want to party. Good thing mom has room in her basement and free snacks in the frig.

 

[SevMax2]

Seems to me that your structure of Government makes totalitarianism inevitable.

Ranked choice voting or a jungle primary would go a long way to eliminate the supposed spoiler effect.

 

[ThePlumTiger66]

How many sub-parties make up the Democratic Party?

I forget, but it's fun watching those headless chickens turn on each other every chance they get.

 

[YDB95]

it is about a primary system that inherently chooses the far left and far right candidates.

The Democratic primaries rarely choose a far left candidate. In some years, there isn't even one to choose in the first place. At least not compared to the Republicans. To find an elected official as far to the left as Trump is to the right, you'd probably have to go to South America.

 

[StrictMiss]

Majority?

Do you even know what that word means?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...eference-Use-What-You-Need-Pass-Over-the-Rest

 

[Jada59]

I don't want a third party but I'd like Independents to stand a chance. The way things re, they never will. I don't agree 100% with any party.

 

[SevMax2]

Bear in mind that more than half of possible voters in 2016 did not vote. And if they aren’t represented by the two major parties, that isn’t going to change.

 

[FescueFan]

The Democratic primaries rarely choose a far left candidate. In some years, there isn't even one to choose in the first place. At least not compared to the Republicans. To find an elected official as far to the left as Trump is to the right, you'd probably have to go to South America.

And there is another big lie.....Trump is a neo-liberal without the social conservatism.

He's well to the left of every (R) POTUS and most of the (D)'s anyone alive can remember.

 

[Dribble]

I wouldn’t call the results of primaries radical left..far from it. It’s a tendency to be pro corporate and pro war in both parties. This was a Gallup poll cited that had respondents saying that we need to break the duopoly and create a third major party.

By the way, most Americans want: single payer, a living wage, a stimulus, UBI, and peace. They have told pollsters this repeatedly. They just haven’t always connected these policies to the candidates who favor them, at least partly due to corporate media propaganda and machine politics by both parties.

The Democratic primaries rarely choose a far left candidate. In some years, there isn't even one to choose in the first place. At least not compared to the Republicans. To find an elected official as far to the left as Trump is to the right, you'd probably have to go to South America.

You are correct. We don't choose far left candidates as frequently as far right. Immaterial to the point. The point is primaries are not designed to inherently pick a centrist candidate. Govern to the center. Let major changes happen gradually and naturally. You immediately isolate 50% of the populous due to propaganda. Look at this election. Everyone's mind in either of the 45% tails were made up months ago. Not one vote changed in 90%. That leaves 10%...the centrists...asking whose policies that I don't give a fuck about and don't really want hurts me less. That is an assinine and stupid way to govern. Instead...don't base policies on 45% of the bell curve. Base them on the 68%. This is common sense.

Edit...fucking autocorrect on a phone

 

[Dribble]

Bear in mind that more than half of possible voters in 2016 did not vote. And if they aren’t represented by the two major parties, that isn’t going to change.

Why did the Bernie supporters decide to act childish and not vote? Oh....i answered my own question...because they were childish. 80% of the populous does not believe in what Bernie proposed. Like I said...attempting to govern toward a tail of a distribution instead of the center. They want to have a role in government...then stop acting as it is my way or I go home. This isn't rocket science. Apathy is a problem why? Because they feel no one listens to them. Elections are a numbers game. Stop looking at them as political. They aren't. They are a numbers game pure and simple.

 

[LLCox]

And there is another big lie.....Trump is a neo-liberal without the social conservatism.

He's well to the left of every (R) POTUS and most of the (D)'s anyone alive can remember.

His MAJOR problem is that he is a dumbass. I have never seen a person shoot himself in the foot more times than Frankentrump.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Bear in mind that more than half of possible voters in 2016 did not vote. And if they aren’t represented by the two major parties, that isn’t going to change.

That is not true, over half of the voters did vote. We are horrible voters and that has nothing to do with our two party system.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/bialik-turnout-nov15-1.png


On the other hand, there were more votes cast in the midterms than there had been in over a century. That bears repeating, and points to high, favorable as far as I am concerned, turnout this cycle.

 

[SevMax2]

You are correct. We don't choose far left candidates as frequently as far right. Immaterial to the point. The point is primaries are not designed to inherently pick a centrist candidate. Govern to the center. Let major changes happen gradually and naturally. You immediately isolate 50% of the populous due to propaganda. Look at this election. Everyone's mind in either of the 45% tails were made up months ago. Not one vote changed in 90%. That leaves 10%...the centrists...asking whose policies that I don't give a fuck about and don't really want hurts me less. That is an assinine and stupid way to govern. Instead...don't base policies on 45% of the bell curve. Base them on the 68%. This is common sense.

Edit...fucking autocorrect on a phone

The Democrats are very centrist and corporate, but despite self description as moderates or conservatives, on economic issues, most people choose leftist proposals over centrist or rightist.