DUP bunch of short sighted back stabbing cunts.

[hobbit.]

if ever the case for a united ireland was stronger.. its today.

these cunts have just sold out ever local gov employee and civil servant in the UK, and for what? if anyone can explain im all ears. the back stabbing short sighted cunts. (that includes NHS employees)

not a wise move arlene.

maybe theres now no need for a border question in brexit - just give ulster to the micks . it worked, kind of in India.

 

[Sean]

What did the bigoted fucks do now?

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Limeys vs Micks. who cares?

 

[Conager]

if ever the case for a united ireland was stronger.. its today.

these cunts have just sold out ever local gov employee and civil servant in the UK, and for what? if anyone can explain im all ears. the back stabbing short sighted cunts. (that includes NHS employees)

not a wise move arlene.

maybe theres now no need for a border question in brexit - just give ulster to the micks . it worked, kind of in India.

Sure, except:

A) Like Sean, I get paid 50 quid an hour for tutorage. (Whatever the fuck a quid is, sounds pricey. I would accept pounds of sterling <coupla of ounces might do> if that actually has any silver in it. Dunno when or how you went to fiat currency or if you did. . .but I digress.)

B) I would need to see certification that this thread is permitted on premises.

C) Would need time to couch my reply in totally non-political terms, of course.

D) I recognized "Ireland" and not much else in the post, which might be problematic in terms of me weighing in here.

E) Would need to have a rough idea what an "Arlene" is. Is that the Irish equivalent of the USA's Karen Butters archetype, or an actual person?

F) Payments of my non-professional services is expected in advance, thanks!

 

[Ziggins]

Empires in decline lose their conquered territories. England will lose Ulster and Scotland, but all those names may be dropped as waves of climate change refugees bring other languages and old borders are moved.

 

[torchthebitch]

Firstly, I've told you before, the DUP kill everything they touch.

2) the Catholic population in not uniquely in favour of reunification on either side of the border.

C. why the fuck would we want England to have the use of all that money currently coming our way from the Exchequer? They would only use it to make their economy even stronger and we would have to start exporting our (better educated) children like we did before the Celtic Tiger years while Ireland and the EU would be further impoverished trying to replace it.

 

[torchthebitch]

Empires in decline lose their conquered territories. England will lose Ulster and Scotland, but all those names may be dropped as waves of climate change refugees bring other languages and old borders are moved.

The British Empire died years ago. The American Empire is the one in decline and the new Chinese Empire is buying up entire African countries not just some of its people.

 

[hobbit.]

What did the bigoted fucks do now?

Voted with the tories (everyone else voted against) in the plan to modify local government pension scheme so that exit payments of 95k are taxed. but that includes redundancy and employers strain costs.

gives an indication -
http://www.bevanbrittan.com/insight...tting-ready-for-new-regulations-and-guidance/

so those who provide the services are once again being stung by tories (and the DUP)

the 95k includes employers costs NOT money the workers would ever see.

its a tax raid by any other name. penalise the poor and let the rich get richer.

 

[oggbashan]

Whether the DUP voted with the Conservatives or not is irrelevant. The Conservative majority is so large that they no longer need DUP votes.

 

[torchthebitch]

Whether the DUP voted with the Conservatives or not is irrelevant. The Conservative majority is so large that they no longer need DUP votes.

We must be grateful for small murphys.

 

[hobbit.]

Whether the DUP voted with the Conservatives or not is irrelevant. The Conservative majority is so large that they no longer need DUP votes.

You miss the point. mind you you're a classic 'im all right jack, fuck you', so it would be foolish to expect anything different from you - regardless of whose alt you actually are.'

The point is that the DUP have lost sight of the fact that they need mainland UK more than it needs them.

Id give, and will certainly support, any campaign to gift the six counties back to the south. Imagine how many brexit problems that would solve.

 

[Ziggins]

Id give, and will certainly support, any campaign to gift the six counties back to the south.

The residents of the six counties are most qualified to make that decision.

 

[Lazaran]

Voted with the tories (everyone else voted against) in the plan to modify local government pension scheme so that exit payments of 95k are taxed. but that includes redundancy and employers strain costs.

gives an indication -
http://www.bevanbrittan.com/insight...tting-ready-for-new-regulations-and-guidance/

so those who provide the services are once again being stung by tories (and the DUP)

the 95k includes employers costs NOT money the workers would ever see.

its a tax raid by any other name. penalise the poor and let the rich get richer.

The rich must be allowed to live in a style they've become accustomed to.

 

[oggbashan]

Hobbit's ignorance of Northern Ireland politics is profound. Reunification would almost certainly lead to the violence that set up Northern Ireland.

Those who support the DUP are worried that Westminster will sell them out.

 

[tallladiesman]

The residents of the six counties are most qualified to make that decision.

The residents of the occupied six counties would love a say on a border poll. Sooner the better. According to the UKG dodgy accounting NI costs more than EU membership does with none of the trade benefits. The sooner the poisonous English are out of Ireland the better.

 

[tallladiesman]

Hobbit's ignorance of Northern Ireland politics is profound. Reunification would almost certainly lead to the violence that set up Northern Ireland.

Those who support the DUP are worried that Westminster will sell them out.

Only if the violence is funded by England, since PM Dominic Cummings has stated that he does not care if NI falls in the fucking sea he's unlikely to fund it.

 

[colddiesel]

Hobbit's ignorance of Northern Ireland politics is profound. Reunification would almost certainly lead to the violence that set up Northern Ireland.

So what? I believe (as a former native of Lewis) that most non-Irish Brits couldn't care less if the Irish and Northern Irish, Catholics and Protestants fought and killed each other. If UK withdrew NI would be impoverished overnight and that would infect the remainder of Ireland. The last thing that Dublin wants is economic/political responsibility for NI.

Some people suggest that NI should be given the right to decide in a referendum. I believe such a vote should include the whole of the UK. The Brits would vote to get rid of NI with the biggest majority ever.

The Scots realized at their referendum that they could not survive without sucking the English money tit, it's about time the Irish, north and south woke up to that fact.

 

[torchthebitch]

H

Those who support the UK union know that Westminster will sell them out.

Fixed it for you

 

[tallladiesman]

So what? I believe (as a former native of Lewis) that most non-Irish Brits couldn't care less if the Irish and Northern Irish, Catholics and Protestants fought and killed each other. If UK withdrew NI would be impoverished overnight and that would infect the remainder of Ireland. The last thing that Dublin wants is economic/political responsibility for NI.

Some people suggest that NI should be given the right to decide in a referendum. I believe such a vote should include the whole of the UK. The Brits would vote to get rid of NI with the biggest majority ever.

The Scots realized at their referendum that they could not survive without sucking the English money tit, it's about time the Irish, north and south woke up to that fact.

You do realise that the English have said that every country that left the empire would starve and yet none did. By the way Irish GDP has outstripped the UK for years now. Time to stop living in the 1950s

 

[torchthebitch]

If UK withdrew NI would be impoverished overnight and that would infect the remainder of Ireland. The last thing that Dublin wants is economic/political responsibility for NI.

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And England economically strengthened. They could then reduce Corporation tax and attract businesses away from Eire. They might even copy the EU and demand a divorce settlement just to wreck the Irish economy further.

 

[tallladiesman]

And England economically strengthened. They could then reduce Corporation tax and attract businesses away from Eire. They might even copy the EU and demand a divorce settlement just to wreck the Irish economy further.

Might work if you still had access to the world's biggest free market but you don't come January 1st. That's why England is suffering capital flight. Even Jacob Ress Mogg has moved his business to Dublin. Brexit is a slow motion car crash.

 

[torchthebitch]

You do realise that the English have said that every country that left the empire would starve and yet none did. By the way Irish GDP has outstripped the UK for years now. Time to stop living in the 1950s

While the UK was a net contributor to, and Eire a net recipient from, the EU. That could change when England stops paying in.

 

[tallladiesman]

While the UK was a net contributor to, and Eire a net recipient from, the EU. That could change when England stops paying in.

Are you still looking for that 350 million a week for the NHS that never existed? Tell you what clear off out of Ireland and Scotland and see what you're left with. The increased tax take in Ireland from all the companies leaving England compensates for any losses. By the way the UK exports more to Ireland than it imports, any trade barriers benifit Ireland on a Macro economic level.

 

[colddiesel]

You do realise that the English have said that every country that left the empire would starve and yet none did. By the way Irish GDP has outstripped the UK for years now. Time to stop living in the 1950s

Working age economic inactivity in NI is at 28%. 30% of all workers are employed in the public service, more than 50% greater than the rest of the UK. Kick that employment crutch away and Dublin could not cope, because they could not afford to employ those people.

The Irish GDP did grow at a faster rate than the UK largely by coming off a very low base from a backward peasant economy into a 3rd world tax haven- but what happened with the GFC. - gross over development, unoccupied residential and commercial property all over the Republic. Not got over that yet.

I served during civil insurrections in Malaysia and Aden and that experience was useful in that it was clear all those years ago that societies which are determined to have a civil war will get one eventually. That is my view of Ireland today, until the religious/political factions get it out of their systems and kill a sufficiently gratifying number of their opponents Ireland will never be united socially whatever political borders say.

And maybe you can explain why the Republic itself gave up its constitutional claim of sovereignty over NI some 20 years ago. Scared of the consequences perhaps?

 

[tallladiesman]

Working age economic inactivity in NI is at 28%. 30% of all workers are employed in the public service, more than 50% greater than the rest of the UK. Kick that employment crutch away and Dublin could not cope, because they could not afford to employ those people.

The Irish GDP did grow at a faster rate than the UK largely by coming off a very low base from a backward peasant economy into a 3rd world tax haven- but what happened with the GFC. - gross over development, unoccupied residential and commercial property all over the Republic. Not got over that yet.

I served during civil insurrections in Malaysia and Aden and that experience was useful in that it was clear all those years ago that societies which are determined to have a civil war will get one eventually. That is my view of Ireland today, until the religious/political factions get it out of their systems and kill a sufficiently gratifying number of their opponents Ireland will never be united socially whatever political borders say.

And maybe you can explain why the Republic itself gave up its constitutional claim of sovereignty over NI some 20 years ago. Scared of the consequences perhaps?

The republic adjusted its constitutional claim as part of the overall peace treaty negotiations known as the Good Friday Agreement and in return got an overarching agreement with far reaching North South bodies allowing the ROI major influence across the island, plus they could see that demographics were moving in the nationalist direction. In next year's census there will be more catholics than protestants for the first time. NI will never again be a protestant parliament for a protestant people. In the last few years unionism has lost its majority in the assembly elections, council elections and Westminster elections. Time for a border poll.
As for NI being an economic basket case, we'll that clearly shows the benifits of the Union as NI has gone from being the most industrialised wealthy area of Ireland to being by far the poorest area. The Union has failed economically, politically and socially time to end it.
As for loyalist violence, who is going to fund it when the obnoxious influence of MI6 and the British state is removed? And what will they be fighting for when they have been comprehensively rejected by the British state. In order to run a rebellion you need funds and a cause, loyalist has neither.

And by the way not only is Irish GDP growing faster than the UK but it is also much higher and has been for years. Once you lose the dead hand of empire anything is possible.