Loving Wives vs Cuckold

[lc69hunter]

I have had a varied and good sex life over the years, and have personally sampled many of the categories listed here, even including some fetish stuff.

However, I spend much of my time on this board in the Loving Wives and Exhibition and Voyeur sections, mostly because of the many good memories with wives and girlfriends in my past.

However, if I open a story, and it starts down the cuckold or humiliation path, 99% of the time I exit out and don't even bother reading the rest, as it is a waste of time and doesn't relate to me or my experience at all.

I believe that they should be two separate categories, as apparently that is a turn-on for some readers, or it wouldn't written about.

 

[jaF0]

Yeah, this has never been brought up before. Nope, not even once. Or one thousand times.


Get your self a domain name and a a web hosting account, install the software and you can make all the rules you want.

 

[SimonDoom]

This discussion has been had and chewed over and debated upon over and over again, for years, mostly in the Author's Hangout.

Many agree with you. But probably nothing will come of it. I think the Site has reasons why it wants to keep this as a unified category rather than split it into two.

Readers should take it upon themselves to avoid stories within the category that fall into a subcategory they don't like. Usually, this is very easy to do if you look at the story title, the tagline, and the tags for the story. And if that doesn't do it you can usually tell after a few minutes of reading. I always can. I have never, ever been surprised by a story in Loving Wives after a few paragraphs of reading.

 

[SimonDoom]

Yeah, this has never been brought up before. Nope, not even once. Or one thousand times.


Get your self a domain name and a a web hosting account, install the software and you can make all the rules you want.

I got a good belly laugh out of this. Thank you! I needed that.

 

[KeithD]

Well, this isn't an OP who appears to have been reading on the discussion board much, if ever, before, so I think, as irritating as it for regular board users to see the topic come up constantly, the response in this specific instance seems a bit harsh.

 

[SimonDoom]

Well, this isn't an OP who appears to have been reading on the discussion board much, if ever, before, so I think, as irritating as it for regular board users to see the topic come up constantly, the response in this specific instance seems a bit harsh.

I think jaFO andI were making an observation and having some fun with this rather than being harsh, but I take your point.

It is a perfectly sensible thing to wonder about, and there's no obvious reason why the OP should have known, as a newbie, that it's been discussed a million times.

 

[NotWise]

I have had a varied and good sex life over the years, and have personally sampled many of the categories listed here, even including some fetish stuff.

However, I spend much of my time on this board in the Loving Wives and Exhibition and Voyeur sections, mostly because of the many good memories with wives and girlfriends in my past.

However, if I open a story, and it starts down the cuckold or humiliation path, 99% of the time I exit out and don't even bother reading the rest, as it is a waste of time and doesn't relate to me or my experience at all.

I believe that they should be two separate categories, as apparently that is a turn-on for some readers, or it wouldn't written about.

Um..., so why is it a problem that the category contains stories you don't want to read? You seem to be perfectly capable of skipping them. Even if you get into one you don't like, you have a back button, right?

That's really no different from any other category on Lit.

 

[lc69hunter]

You actually are correct. I have been reading on this site for years, but this is the first time I have ever been in this part of the site. Probably should have done a search

 

[SimonDoom]

You actually are correct. I have been reading on this site for years, but this is the first time I have ever been in this part of the site. Probably should have done a search

Don't worry about it. People who've been on the site participating in the Author's Hangout for years still raise these issues, and opinions are all over the map.

Probably nothing will be done about it.

 

[HappySpouse]

It may not be original, but you're not wrong. I just submitted another story to Loving Wifes two days ago, and I didn't want to because people think that submitting a story in there means a person hates women.

I debated for a couple months about which other category I could force it into, but none fit. It's mostly a lesbian story, but there are two snippets of married couple sex. Erotic Couplings fits most things, but there is a group scene. Group sex would like that part, but lots of one-on-one and masturbation. There is some exhibitionism, but only in two or three places. And so on

Truth is it's a story about a wife who is doing lots of sexy stuff. There is no "cheating", no one is demeaned or hurt or teased or forced, and that is just the right category.

There is lots of good stuff in there, but it can also a pretty toxic place. Like others said, it really doesn't change the process of reading a story. If you start reading and think, "I don't like this," then move on to a different one.

 

[NotWise]

Why wouldn't cuckold stories just go to the Fetish category?

 

[Lazaran]

Why wouldn't cuckold stories just go to the Fetish category?

Someone tried explaining that Loving Wives IS the cuck section of LitE and that the name is meant to be sarcastic.

I didn't buy it, but hey, who knows.

If it actually IS the cuck section then it should be specified as such.

I for one agree that cuck stories should either be in fetish or a clearly labeled section, as many find the subject matter to be extremely offensive.

The kink is specific enough to warrant a clearly defined category IMHO.

Your new to the debate but you're not alone in your position on the matter.

 

[Gator1951]

What do you expect

As a new writer to Literotica I’m surprised of the comments I have received in Loving Wives category. The category is described as extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more. Most comments complain about the wife being a whore and the husband being a cuck. What do they expect based on the description. The highest rated stories are for husbands getting back on a cheating wife.

 

[AlinaX]

It's a rage-porn addiction space. They want the wives to be whores, and to suffer because of it...

Not all stories, of course, and not all readers, but enough for a toxic atmosphere. I've written there for fun a couple of times.

 

[yukonnights]

Why wouldn't cuckold stories just go to the Fetish category?

I'm not certain that it is a fetish per se. Is it not more of a relationship dynamic? Is swinging a fetish? I don't think so — it's just a relationship dynamic that people with non-monogamous tendencies enjoy. I view cuckold relationships to be the same — provided that the cuck is aware and does nothing to end it, etc. Question: why aren't all swingers cuckolds?

I actually did post a Cuck story in Fetish, trying to avoid the LW issue. I don't think it was enough of a focused fetish to play well there. The one category that accepts it well seems to be the Gay Male category — provided the cuck is "forced" to do the unthinkable

There is no doubt an audience for cuck stories though — trying to find a good place for it is the challenge.

 

[SimonDoom]

Why wouldn't cuckold stories just go to the Fetish category?

Because they are two separate readerships.

When it comes to deciding how to categorize stories, the only thing that matters is reader preferences. People get this wrong all the time, but I think the Site owners understand this point and that's why they categorize things the way they do.

"Loving Wives", though oddly named, was established to host stories about wives who have sex outside of marriage. Many, many readers enjoy these stories. At Literotica, it's the second-largest group of readers outside Incest/Taboo. These are not, generally speaking, readers who want to read stories about foot fetishes or about watersports. They want to read about hot wives who have sex with men who are not their husbands. It would make no sense at all to put these stories in the Fetish category. It would make it more difficult for the large group of readers who want to read these stories to find them. Based on the way this Site originally set up this category, the obvious place for these stories is Loving Wives.

I can see the sense in dividing this category into two subcategories -- one for hot wife/cuckold stories, and the other for cheating wife/revenge stories. But I don't think it's going to happen, because the Site owners probably have figured out it's better from their standpoint to keep the category the way it is.

The answer is for readers of one sort of Loving Wives stories to act like adults, tolerate the existence of stories they don't like, and choose not to read them.

 

[SimpleEnigma]

Slippery slope. Breaking out the dynamics of a relationship between a husband and wife into separate sections based on those dynamics (monogamy, shared, cuckold), just because some people can only stomach one or two of those, could cause the number of categories to multiply exponentially.

I mean, couldn't the same argument be made for the Incest section? "I like it when brother and sister get it on, and cousins do it, but I don't like it when dad does daughter. Please make it a different category".

Simple is better in my mind. If I don't particularly care the way a story is going I stop reading. Period. It doesn't traumatize me, I just move on.

 

[Norman_Altair]

It's not even YEARS that this has been discussed. It's DECADES. They have no intention of changing it. It's pretty much set in stone.

Because they are two separate readerships.

When it comes to deciding how to categorize stories, the only thing that matters is reader preferences. People get this wrong all the time, but I think the Site owners understand this point and that's why they categorize things the way they do.

"Loving Wives", though oddly named, was established to host stories about wives who have sex outside of marriage. Many, many readers enjoy these stories. At Literotica, it's the second-largest group of readers outside Incest/Taboo. These are not, generally speaking, readers who want to read stories about foot fetishes or about watersports. They want to read about hot wives who have sex with men who are not their husbands. It would make no sense at all to put these stories in the Fetish category. It would make it more difficult for the large group of readers who want to read these stories to find them. Based on the way this Site originally set up this category, the obvious place for these stories is Loving Wives.

I can see the sense in dividing this category into two subcategories -- one for hot wife/cuckold stories, and the other for cheating wife/revenge stories. But I don't think it's going to happen, because the Site owners probably have figured out it's better from their standpoint to keep the category the way it is.

The answer is for readers of one sort of Loving Wives stories to act like adults, tolerate the existence of stories they don't like, and choose not to read them.

 

[SimonDoom]

Simple is better in my mind. If I don't particularly care the way a story is going I stop reading. Period. It doesn't traumatize me, I just move on.

You're choosing to be an adult about things.

Shame on you.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Someone tried explaining that Loving Wives IS the cuck section of LitE and that the name is meant to be sarcastic.

I didn't buy it, but hey, who knows.

If it actually IS the cuck section then it should be specified as such.

I for one agree that cuck stories should either be in fetish or a clearly labeled section, as many find the subject matter to be extremely offensive.

The kink is specific enough to warrant a clearly defined category IMHO.

Your new to the debate but you're not alone in your position on the matter.

I suspect it wasn't intended to be sarcastic at the very beginning. There is another site that has a "Wife Lovers" section that has nothing like the same kind of responses.

I guess if somebody is willing to do the research, we could determine when Literotica's version became what we know today. Maybe it was a gradual process. I would have thought there would be a burnout among the denizens of the category, but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[NotWise]

It's not even YEARS that this has been discussed. It's DECADES. They have no intention of changing it. It's pretty much set in stone.

The site's not going to change it. If the cuckold writers want things to be different, then it's up to them to find a different place to put their stories.

The Fetish category seems like the obvious alternative. As far as I'm concerned, willing cuckold and cuckquean are fetishes. The readers in Fetish may not be used to that variation, but they already accomodate a range of fetishes. Cuckold probably wouldn't get a worse reception from that crowd then they do in LW.

But then, maybe some of the cuckold writers actually like the abuse they get in LW. That seems somehow consistent.

Edit: For all other question about categories, it's pretty common for us to refer new writers to Tx Tall Tales how-to Love Your Readers: Categories.

I'll do it again. The "bible" lists cuckhold as appropriate content for Fetish, and suggests that cuckold stories should go to fetish instead of LW.

Depending on the story, they might also go to EC, Group, E&V and probably others. There are options. If cuckold writers don't like the reception in LW, then they can put their stories somewhere else. If they do like the reception they get in LW, then that's just kink of its own.

 

[Luv4hotwives]

I recently started submitting stories and write cuckold and hot wife stuff. I initially was submitting to loving wives. Many of my favorite cuckold stories over the years were in that category and when I considered the alternatives it seemed like a good fit. Boy was I wrong! lol

Now I put them mostly in fetish and while I still get heat it is much less than what I’ve encountered in the loving wives section. Depending on the story I might also choose erotic coupling.

I do find some irony in the folks that get mad. Many of them say a hot wife doesn't qualify as a ”loving” wife. Yet they seem to have read the story looking for something along the lines of getting revenge on and punishing a cheating wife... You would think that would be equally out of place in loving wives as cuck stuff is given their interpretation.

I really don't get the intense anger some people get from reading something they could simply stop reading. I start stories all the time that take a turn I don't like and I simply stop reading and look for a story more to my liking.

In the end I’d rather just post in whatever category gets me the least flak. Instead I rely on tags to make it so people wanting to read those type of stories can find them. It would be great for new categories or sub categories, but I think it's been those same categories for years so I don't expect them to change.

 

[SimonDoom]

In the end I’d rather just post in whatever category gets me the least flak. .

This is a perfectly reasonable and understanding position. But consider the alternative position -- that it might be better to put up with some flak if the upside is that you will get a lot more readers and fans by posting in Loving Wives. Is it better to have a smaller, but more overall approving group of readers, or a larger group of readers, some of whom will give you flak but many of whom will love your story?

The fact of the matter is that Loving Wives is the second most popular story category, after Incest, and it draws both the BTB readers AND the hotwife/cuckold readers, in greater numbers than other categories do. So that's something to consider. The problem with posting a story of this type in Fetish or Erotic Couplings is that's not where the fans of these stories are typically headed to find a story they want to read.

I've had good luck publishing hot wife stories in Exhibitionism and Voyeur because my stories of this type typically have strong exhibitionist elements. I've gotten a few "anti-cuck" criticisms, but not many.

 

[writer4hire69]

Honestly, my thought is that splitting it into a separate category would be even worse. The point of “if you don’t like it, why keep reading it” is sort of the proof. The toxic members are making a bad faith argument. They’re not mad those stories are being “forced” onto them. They legit hate those stories and cheating women and get off on review bombing and rage commenting. If there was a Cuckold section, I guarantee they would all flood it and downvote everything in there.

 

[kissedcherry]

I totally agree

I have had a varied and good sex life over the years, and have personally sampled many of the categories listed here, even including some fetish stuff.

However, I spend much of my time on this board in the Loving Wives and Exhibition and Voyeur sections, mostly because of the many good memories with wives and girlfriends in my past.

However, if I open a story, and it starts down the cuckold or humiliation path, 99% of the time I exit out and don't even bother reading the rest, as it is a waste of time and doesn't relate to me or my experience at all.

I believe that they should be two separate categories, as apparently that is a turn-on for some readers, or it wouldn't written about.

Being a hotwife or a hotgirlfriend is totally different than a woman that cucks a guy. I like being shared but the idea of cucking a guy seems sick to me and I don't like those stories and don't read them. So I wish there was a section just for hotwives and hotgirlfriends.

I think that the concept of sharing a wife or a girlfriend with other guys is probably one of the fastest growing sex trends at this time. That is because once a couple try it they are hooked and start telling trusted friends how fun it is. But the desire for a woman to humiliate a guy or for a guy to be humiliated does not have the same wide appeal that makes guys love having a hot woman.