how the constitution might enable trump to remain

[butters]

...even if he doesn't get the votes:

Fareed, writing in the washington post, states this

Trump Can Stay in Office Without Winning

“By declining to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, President Trump has agitated many who fear he will refuse to leave office even if he loses the November election,”. But the “terrifying reality is that there are also several mechanisms that are legal and constitutional that could enable Trump to stay in office without actually winning the vote.”

America’s laws and Constitution are hazy on how to resolve Electoral College disputes, and if a particular state can’t decide which slate of electors to choose—amid balloting chaos or presidential claims of fraud, for instance—both Trump and Joe Biden could fall short of the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win. The House would decide the election, voting by state delegation, and Trump would be reelected, even if he hadn’t won the votes.

“The United States prides itself as the world’s leading democracy,” Fareed writes. “And yet, because of a vague and creaky constitutional process and ferocious partisanship, this November we might put on a display of democratic dysfunction that would rival any banana republic on the planet.”

 

[Counselor706]

You're posting in the wrong place, butters. The GB's cupcake crowd is three doors down on the left.

 

[Lazaran]

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I agree that it isn't as cut and dried as some people think.

Between the courts and the scenario you mentioned Trump could maintain the office even if he "lost" in the conventional sense; I.E. Losing the regular electoral college and the popular vote.

I don't see the upside for him though. The policies he is enacting and his disfunctional administration will only exacerbate the problems that already exist, leading to more chaos and crises.

He already owns his responsibility for the events and crises affecting the country and the world. He will also own the failure to address those crises as well as inflaming them if he creates a constitutional crisis to remain president.

Enjoy.

 

[icanhelp1]

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I agree that it isn't as cut and dried as some people think.

Between the courts and the scenario you mentioned Trump could maintain the office even if he "lost" in the conventional sense; I.E. Losing the regular electoral college and the popular vote.

I don't see the upside for him though. The policies he is enacting and his disfunctional administration will only exacerbate the problems that already exist, leading to more chaos and crises.

He already owns his responsibility for the events and crises affecting the country and the world. He will also own the failure to address those crises as well as inflaming them if he creates a constitutional crisis to remain president.

Enjoy.

The looney left progressive socialists getting all lathered up over hypothetical narratives. This behavior spewing from the lefty lunes is responsible for crisis and chaos. Not getting your way is reason for rioting, looting and murder, that's your platform. You don't hate Trump because you hate Trump, you hate Trump because he beat your shitbag Hillary, who should be behind bars.

 

[icanhelp1]

...even if he doesn't get the votes:

Fareed, writing in the washington post, states this

Which is why we need a full SCOTUS.

 

[nowisthetime]

Well, that would be the fall of America.

It was nice while it lasted.

 

[NG1274]

...even if he doesn't get the votes:

Fareed, writing in the washington post, states this

That was an interesting read, thanks.

He states the laws are hazy, then points out exactly what would happen, no?

What I found most interesting was that last bit, “And yet, because of a vague and creaky constitutional process and ferocious partisanship, this November we might put on a display of democratic dysfunction that would rival any banana republic on the planet.”

Democratic dysfunction that would rival any banana republic. By following the rules set out in the Constitution? That is what confuses me, how is it dysfunction when there are rules in place to address the situation?

I fervently hope there isn't a situation like this in our future, but fear it will be. The mail-in voting during primaries causes a whole lot of issues, with thousands of votes being late or uncounted or disqualified, and some of the 'solutions' are even scarier.

Our infighting left unchecked has caused this, and I cannot see a peaceful resolution. Can you?

 

[Lazaran]

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Simple; accept the results of the election including mail in ballots.

Show some dignity and class like Gore and Hillary did in very controversial elections.

The odds of that happening with Trump are close to zero.

Everybody who hasn't drank the orange Kool-Aid sees exactly what Trump is up to.

Do you???

 

[YDB95]

I don't see the upside for him though.

That's easy. He remains the centre of attention. That is all he cares about.

 

[Lazaran]

That's easy. He remains the centre of attention. That is all he cares about.

Yeah, I was being semi-sarcastic and semi-rhetorical.

As far as being the center of attention; that's not always a good thing.

 

[YDB95]

Yeah, I was being semi-sarcastic and semi-rhetorical.

As far as being the center of attention; that's not always a good thing.

Ah, ok.

I have my doubts he would agree about it not being always a good thing, though. I think just hearing his name again and again does it for him.

 

[Lazaran]

Ah, ok.

I have my doubts he would agree about it not being always a good thing, though. I think just hearing his name again and again does it for him.

Yeah, but I wouldn't want to be the center of attention in a massive snowball fight.

 

[icanhelp1]

So, what happens if Trump wins with a decisive margin? More riots and temper tantrums?

 

[phrodeau]

So, what happens if Trump wins with a decisive margin? More riots and temper tantrums?

What was that about hypothetical narratives?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So, what happens if Trump wins with a decisive margin? More riots and temper tantrums?

Yep...and if Trump loses the same. The only way civil unrest is not going to occur is if Trump dies of natural causes before the election( and even then I bet the conspiracy nuts get involved) Trump has spent 3 and 1/2 years of fanning the flames. There are radicals on both right and left ends of the spectrum, and one side or the other will react violently to the results of the upcoming election.

Enjoy what you guys have sown.....

 

[JillA1960]

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Simple; accept the results of the election including mail in ballots.

Show some dignity and class like Gore and Hillary did in very controversial elections.

The odds of that happening with Trump are close to zero.

Everybody who hasn't drank the orange Kool-Aid sees exactly what Trump is up to.

Do you???

This is a joke, right?

What was controversial about the 2016 election, other then your side lost?

 

[YDB95]

This is a joke, right?

What was controversial about the 2016 election, other then your side lost?

WHOOOSH!

That was the point going over your head. What Lazaran is saying is, if Trump loses, he should handle it the same way Clinton did in 2016.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This is a joke, right?

What was controversial about the 2016 election, other then your side lost?

There was noting controversial, Clinton called Trump, the night of the election, conceded and congratulated him.

It was not until Trump fired Comey in February of 2017 that the shit hit the fan.

You are supposed to have a government of 3 co equal branches of power. Designed so that no one person could achieve "absolute" power or control. Trump has done everything in his power to to try and break that, and if he is re-elected, he just might get that "absolute" authority.

Remember you get the government you deserve....*chuckles*

 

[FGB]

So, what happens if Trump wins with a decisive margin? More riots and temper tantrums?

Well.

They have such a great start!

Why waste four or more years of effort?

 

[FescueFan]

WHOOOSH!

That was the point going over your head.

WHOOOOOSH!!!

That was the point going over your head.

What Lazaran is saying is, if Trump loses, he should handle it the same way Clinton did in 2016.

Yes he should, but that's a problem imagined up by (D)'s......who can't seem to control their own behavior and thus have no fucking place worrying about what others might do some day.

When they manage to stop rioting, setting their towns on fire, engaging in terrorism and being otherwise violent over the fact that....they lost, they might have some room to criticize others for their ability to be civilized losers, till then they really should stfu.

 

[Dribble]

They want a war. Been saying it for months. Putin, like Bin Laden, realizes there is only one way to destroy the US...That is to sow the seeds of lies that the uneducated believe and hold to be true and let the country eat itself from inside. They already won. Republicans are too stupid to see it and Democrats are too stupid to stop it.

 

[JillA1960]

There was noting controversial, Clinton called Trump, the night of the election, conceded and congratulated him.

It was not until Trump fired Comey in February of 2017 that the shit hit the fan.

You are supposed to have a government of 3 co equal branches of power. Designed so that no one person could achieve "absolute" power or control. Trump has done everything in his power to to try and break that, and if he is re-elected, he just might get that "absolute" authority.

Remember you get the government you deserve....*chuckles*

Only a person in denial can say this

 

[bhurry]

The looney left progressive socialists getting all lathered up over hypothetical narratives. This behavior spewing from the lefty lunes is responsible for crisis and chaos. Not getting your way is reason for rioting, looting and murder, that's your platform. You don't hate Trump because you hate Trump, you hate Trump because he beat your shitbag Hillary, who should be behind bars.

Think the looney left might be ignoring you? wonder why? Truth hurts.

 

[Rightguide]

The looney left progressive socialists getting all lathered up over hypothetical narratives. This behavior spewing from the lefty lunes is responsible for crisis and chaos. Not getting your way is reason for rioting, looting and murder, that's your platform. You don't hate Trump because you hate Trump, you hate Trump because he beat your shitbag Hillary, who should be behind bars.

Democrats want to be able to cheat on a massive scale and expect Trump to throw the law out the window and reward their criminality and agree to step aside.

 

[NG1274]

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Simple; accept the results of the election including mail in ballots.

Show some dignity and class like Gore and Hillary did in very controversial elections.

The odds of that happening with Trump are close to zero.

Everybody who hasn't drank the orange Kool-Aid sees exactly what Trump is up to.

Do you???

Accept mail-in ballots? Certainly, when they have reasonable verification.
Currently, there are multiple reports of tens of thousands of mail-in ballots being unverifiable, be it by signatures not matching, postmarks not readable or simply late, yet one side thinks that is acceptable. Quite simply, it is not.

Any system where a ballot to decide who leads the country can be accepted if late or if the signature doesn't match is not a system that will give you accurate results.

There are arguments against requiring voter identification. We need identification to drive, purchase cigarettes, alcohol, fly, and so on. But we don't need it when exercising an extremely important right? That makes no sense.

Patterson, NJ had 20% of their mail-in ballots thrown out.
PA had approximately 500,000 mail-in ballots during their primaries either late or invalidated.
Given the last election was won by mere thousands in some areas, how can anyone argue that mail-in ballots, as they are now, work properly?

What I see are two sides with very different strategies, but one side at the moment suggesting practices that lead to multiple opportunities of accounting mishaps when votes are counted when using the current setup for mail-in voting.

What do you see?