Hundreds of score votes the first day?

DelNovo

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Help me out, y'all. I'm thinking there has to be something going on behind the scenes and maybe some of y'all know what people do here.

I posted a story for the Summer Lovin' contest and before it got one-bombed, it sat at 4.81 with enough score votes to qualify, and from what I've seen in the past, that meant it stood a chance at placing in the top three. So I checked out the scores for all of the other stories in the contest to see where mine stood in the crowd, and found four that sat at higher scores.

When I checked out the scores for those stories on the story category pages so that I could see how many score votes each of the stories had, I was gobsmacked. One of the stories, that had just posted the day before, had already amassed over 400 score votes. One that had posted five days prior had amassed almost 900. By contrast, mine, which posted about ten days ago, only had 65.

I didn't initially find the pace of the score votes on my story unusual. The total seemed to tick up at about the same speed as it has on my other four stories. I know that what I write won't appeal to everyone because my ingenues are BBWs. But then when I saw stories getting hundreds of votes in one day, without commensurately high view counts, I knew something had to be up.

This 900-vote story is in the Romance category, and I've posted one in that category in the past. That Romance story of mine currently sits at a 4.78, which says "pretty well-received" to me. It has 18,503 views up to this point, 25 favorites, and 277 total score votes.

The recently posted Romance story to which I'm referring has, at this moment, 921 score votes, 18,832 views, 42 favorites, and sits at 4.80. So the view count and average score are almost identical to mine, the number of favorites is about 60% higher, and the total number of score votes is more than three times what my story has. This when that story has only been up for six days, while mine has been up for over a year.

I took the liberty of checking out this author's profile and found that he/she (henceforth "he") has only 10 stories posted, with the first one having gone up in late November of last year. So, by my math, that's less than 10 months on Literotica. I've been on for 15 months. He has "favorited" 18 authors and 19 stories.

I put all of these stats up to say that I would kind of understand over 900 score votes in six days if the author had been posting stories for 15 years (like some have), had hundreds of stories posted (like some do), had hundreds of favorite authors and stories (like some do), etc. That, at least, would attest to someone who had "put in the time", so to speak, and amassed a large and loyal following organically. I seem to gain an average of 7 or 8 followers per story I put up, so, multiplied by 200 stories, that'd be around 1,500 followers and if I were known to post prolifically, my name would be out there for people to recognize a lot better. I imagine that under those circumstances, I'd be getting a lot of score votes in the first few days as well.

I see no evidence of this from this relatively new author. Yet, over 900 score votes. If we're only looking at score votes per number of views, my Summer Lovin' story has 64 likely non-fraudulent votes in 12,823 views. (Furthermore, I put BBW in the title, so I imagine that it's highly unlikely that people who don't like BBWs would bother to read my story unless they're just looking to one-bomb it. Therefore it seems unlikely that it has any views in its count that come from people who opened it only to close it in disgust when they saw in my preface that the main female character is a BBW.) Multiplied out to 18,xxx views, I'd imagine it would have around 96 score votes. So this other story has almost ten times the number of score votes on a per-view basis.

I have said all of this to set the scene for my question.

Put simply, my question is, what are these authors doing to amass this many high score votes in relatively few views in such a short time?

My mind has conceived many possible answers to this question, and I'd like to see what y'all say, to determine which answer is correct (or if I haven't yet considered what's actually going on). I mean, it's easy to figure that they might be contacting all of their Facebook connections and saying, "hey, I just posted a story, how about you pop on over and give it 5 stars to help me out?" and some of those people would do that if they're the supportive type. I can imagine paying some cheap company in a country with a low labor cost like India to have a bunch of people rate a story at 5 stars. I can imagine forming an alliance with not-particularly-scrupulous Literotica authors to give each other's stories 5-star votes even if the people haven't read the stories in depth or don't think they'd otherwise deserve 5 stars.

(In my personal opinion, the story is well written, better than most on this site, but it has one glaring storyline error and a bunch of grammatical and spelling mistakes. While I might forgive the grammatical and spelling mistakes, I'm not the type to forgive an obvious storyline error. And then the most egregious sin of all is that it built up to its very first sex scene, on the 6th and final page, and then did not depict the sex scene. Rather, it skipped forward 25 years to where the guy and girl have been happily married for as long, and quickly ended. That's like smelling bacon cooking, then seeing it on a plate, and then being told that you don't get to eat any of it. For all of that, I couldn't give it more than 3 stars.)

I just want to know what y'all consider the most plausible explanation for this weirdness. Or is it that I'm the very first person to notice this and consider it weird?
 
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I just want to know what y'all consider the most plausible explanation for this weirdness. Or is it that I'm the very first person to notice this and consider it weird?
Based on a typical one vote per hundred views ratio (which many writers see, often), a story from a relatively new writer getting one vote in twenty would be suspect or astonishingly good. Go back and take a look once the contest sweeps have been through. Or maybe the writer's got a bunch of secret admirers ;).
 
Put simply, my question is, what are these authors doing to amass this many high score votes in relatively few views in such a short time?

900 votes off 18k views is very odd. Most likely explanation is that somebody - not necessarily the author - is multi-voting. You could use the "report story" button to bring it to Laurel's attention. I've done that before when I noticed blatant vote-stuffing shenanigans.

edit: retracting this since I hadn't realised Romance gets much higher vote-view ratios than I'm used to from other categories.
 
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How do you see how many votes a story got?

Go to the page for the category where the story is posted. (You can find this, for any Summer Lovin' story, by clicking on the story title on the page with the list of submitted stories, and checking the top of the page when the story comes up.)

On that category page, where it shows the name of the story and its tagline, it will also show how many favorites it has, how many comments it has, and its current average score. Hover your mouse cursor over the score number and a small block will pop up near your cursor with a number inside of it. That number is the total number of votes that the story has amassed up to that point.
 
Based on a typical one vote per hundred views ratio (which many writers see, often), a story from a relatively new writer getting one vote in twenty would be suspect or astonishingly good. Go back and take a look once the contest sweeps have been through. Or maybe the writer's got a bunch of secret admirers ;).

I've heard of these sweeps. Do they happen at predictable times? If yes, when?

900 votes off 18k views is very odd. Most likely explanation is that somebody - not necessarily the author - is multi-voting. You could use the "report story" button to bring it to Laurel's attention. I've done that before when I noticed blatant vote-stuffing shenanigans.

Perhaps I shall. The fact that you call them "blatant vote-stuffing shenanigans" suggests that this happens much more regularly than it should, which is, of course, never.
 
Go to the page for the category where the story is posted. (You can find this, for any Summer Lovin' story, by clicking on the story title on the page with the list of submitted stories, and checking the top of the page when the story comes up.)

On that category page, where it shows the name of the story and its tagline, it will also show how many favorites it has, how many comments it has, and its current average score. Hover your mouse cursor over the score number and a small block will pop up near your cursor with a number inside of it. That number is the total number of votes that the story has amassed up to that point.

Thanks, I've been here for more than two years and I've never noticed that before. You really have to move the cursor just right to see it.

I believe you can only vote once on a story, including your own, based on a single account. I suppose you could game the system by opening multiple accounts but as there is no money at stake, what would be the point? Just guessing: maybe it's some bored teenagers (presumably over eighteen) who did just that as a kind of stunt?
 
I've heard of these sweeps. Do they happen at predictable times? If yes, when?



Perhaps I shall. The fact that you call them "blatant vote-stuffing shenanigans" suggests that this happens much more regularly than it should, which is, of course, never.

The writer doesn't need shenanigans to get a vote per twenty views in romance. My summer lovin entry last year was at 23 views per vote after being up for a week and after a year it's still at 33,views/vote.

Romance readers can be very responsive. Followers can also be very responsive. Did you see how many followers he had? My guess is that if he's been publishing a story/month to romance then he might have a significant following.
 
The view:vote ratio for your story is on the very good end of normal range, which you should feel good about. It means people are finishing your story and want to vote on it, and they're giving it a good score.

The ratio for the other story you've referred to is extreme. It's an extreme outlier. Like others, I suspect something strange is going on.

Two factors that can result in an increase in the ratio of votes to views: (1) a late chapter in a series, and (2) a relatively short story. It stands to reason that people will be less likely to finish a longer story and vote on it. But my experience is this is a fairly minor factor.
 
Fwiw, the way a story ends is probably a big factor in getting readers to become voters.

I looked at the guy's stats. Like I said earlier, 20 views/vote can happen in Romance. His 19k views is the stat that stands out to me. My story from last year still doesn't have that many views.

Edit: I checked the New list. He was the first story on the list for 9/3. That can account t for a lot of views.
 
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I did a little more research on this, and I have to take back what I wrote before. As far as I can tell, nothing unusual is going on.

I checked the 30-day toplist for Romance stories. The top 5 stories all have vote:view ratios that are unusually high from my personal experience and observation. I'm not very familiar with this category, but my impression is that vote:view ratios for stories that are being published in this category are high. I found one story that has a ratio of nearly 1:10, which is VERY high from my experience. My stories typically are around 1:80 to 1:100, but I've never published in Romance.

So I would chalk this up to something having happened in general in the Romance category between the time OP published his story and now. It's probably NOT something peculiar to the highlighted story, or the result of nefarious activity.
 
Go to the page for the category where the story is posted. (You can find this, for any Summer Lovin' story, by clicking on the story title on the page with the list of submitted stories, and checking the top of the page when the story comes up.)

On that category page, where it shows the name of the story and its tagline, it will also show how many favorites it has, how many comments it has, and its current average score. Hover your mouse cursor over the score number and a small block will pop up near your cursor with a number inside of it. That number is the total number of votes that the story has amassed up to that point.

Ahh... It's only on the category page itself... Bizarre. Thanks.
 
I've heard of these sweeps. Do they happen at predictable times? If yes, when?
Typically once a month, and several times whenever a contest is running. They go through the whole database, so your stories get swept regardless whether they're in a contest or not.

Don't speculate publically how they work because that defeats the purpose, but be content knowing that they do, over time, purge junk scores.
 
I did a little more research on this, and I have to take back what I wrote before. As far as I can tell, nothing unusual is going on.

I checked the 30-day toplist for Romance stories. The top 5 stories all have vote:view ratios that are unusually high from my personal experience and observation. I'm not very familiar with this category, but my impression is that vote:view ratios for stories that are being published in this category are high. I found one story that has a ratio of nearly 1:10, which is VERY high from my experience. My stories typically are around 1:80 to 1:100, but I've never published in Romance.

So I would chalk this up to something having happened in general in the Romance category between the time OP published his story and now. It's probably NOT something peculiar to the highlighted story, or the result of nefarious activity.

Huh, in that case I retract my comments about shenanigans - thanks to you and NotWise, I hadn't realised Romance was so votey.
 
Huh, in that case I retract my comments about shenanigans - thanks to you and NotWise, I hadn't realised Romance was so votey.

It isn't very viewy compared to I/T, but it can be pretty votey. The story in question has more votes than mine (in I/T) but less than a third of the views.
 
The view:vote ratio for your story is on the very good end of normal range, which you should feel good about. It means people are finishing your story and want to vote on it, and they're giving it a good score.

The ratio for the other story you've referred to is extreme. It's an extreme outlier. Like others, I suspect something strange is going on.

Two factors that can result in an increase in the ratio of votes to views: (1) a late chapter in a series, and (2) a relatively short story. It stands to reason that people will be less likely to finish a longer story and vote on it. But my experience is this is a fairly minor factor.

I don't feel bad about my ratio; it's just that I know what is at stake where "winning a contest" is concerned, or getting a really high score. As I've said in the past, the difference between a 4.80 and a 4.90 is the difference between "hardly anybody will see your story again after it drops off of the list of new stories in that category" and "it'll be read and enjoyed by lots of people because it sits atop the Hall of Fame".

And of course for many of these contests there are monetary prizes, and money makes people do funny things. I'd bet that if the guy who invented the idea of money could have seen into the future to learn what his invention would do to humans, he would not have breathed a word of it to anyone and perhaps we might not now be in a position where "money" would make people do funny things.

The story I referenced is neither a late chapter nor short. It's standalone and 6 pages.

Fwiw, the way a story ends is probably a big factor in getting readers to become voters.

I looked at the guy's stats. Like I said earlier, 20 views/vote can happen in Romance. His 19k views is the stat that stands out to me. My story from last year still doesn't have that many views.

Edit: I checked the New list. He was the first story on the list for 9/3. That can account t for a lot of views.

I thought about that. I tend to give the most 5-star votes to stories with potent endings.

But my Romance story ended very similarly to his - flash forward a bunch of years, here's how things worked out, kids, etc. That ending didn't generate lots of followers. The story generated a bunch of good score votes, but relatively few followers. Therefore I figured that it's pretty much normal for a story, even one well-received, to generate only a few followers, or perhaps have a "followers to views ratio" of 1:2000 or something like that. This doesn't bother me, but when I think people are gaming the system, then I'm going to have a problem with what's going on.

Typically once a month, and several times whenever a contest is running. They go through the whole database, so your stories get swept regardless whether they're in a contest or not.

Don't speculate publically how they work because that defeats the purpose, but be content knowing that they do, over time, purge junk scores.

Yeah, gotta love it. Show people how the junk score purges work and they will game the system to get around that.

The writer doesn't need shenanigans to get a vote per twenty views in romance. My summer lovin entry last year was at 23 views per vote after being up for a week and after a year it's still at 33,views/vote.

Romance readers can be very responsive. Followers can also be very responsive. Did you see how many followers he had? My guess is that if he's been publishing a story/month to romance then he might have a significant following.

I would imagine that the stories that'd generate the most organic votes would be the ones that are great, and the ones that are terrible. That's why I thought it was weird that the score on my Romance story and his were very close, but there was a gigantic disparity in votes. I wouldn't have said anything about a small disparity, but this was huge no matter which way I looked at it. I had to be convinced of this in order to ask about it, knowing that asking about it might make me look like a poor sport and/or a saboteur.

I did not see how many followers he had. If there is a way to see who is following some other author, I don't know how to do it. I can see who's following me, and who some other author is following, but not who's following some other author. If there's a way to see who's following someone else, I won't lie and say I'm not interested in knowing what it is. I'd like to understand how this all works, so as to determine whether or not it's worth my while to continue using this site, figure out a different strategy that doesn't constitute cheating, etc.

From what I can see, he published six stories to Romance last year, one of which was a multi-part series. Nothing thus far in 2020 but this one.

I see what you're saying about Romance readers being uncommonly responsive; my one Romance story has, by far, the highest vote-to-views ratio of them all. But still it's like 1:66 or so for the one I wrote. If it had a middling average score, I might understand the vote ratio, but 4.78, while it won't keep my story out of the dust bin of obscurity, isn't middling. I would still question why a 4.80 story (which isn't part of a multi-chapter series) would be at 1:20 votes to views when a 4.78 story (also not part of a multi-chapter series) is at 1:66, for relatively new authors. Still seems much more disparate than it ought to be. My story is longer, at 10 pages, but his, at 6 pages, still isn't short. It's not the same as my 10-pager being compared to a 1- or 2-pager.

I don't want to sound like I begrudge anyone their due accolades, because I don't, but too often people engage in unfair trickery to get accolades. I'd rather that a stop be put to that whenever possible. I'm getting to the point of feeling like it's a waste of time for me to post my stories to Literotica if vote-cheating is so common; it seems I'd do better trying to get published and actually get paid for what I write. If I fail in that endeavor, I've made no less money than I'm currently making for posting stories here.
 
900 votes off 18k views is very odd. Most likely explanation is that somebody - not necessarily the author - is multi-voting. You could use the "report story" button to bring it to Laurel's attention. I've done that before when I noticed blatant vote-stuffing shenanigans.

edit: retracting this since I hadn't realised Romance gets much higher vote-view ratios than I'm used to from other categories.

Not necessarily anything shady, it depends who the author is, if its someone who has been around a long time or big in that category it can happen.

But being its a contest entry if it is something funky it will get taken care of.

I think the OP thinking a 4.81 will place is wishful thinking. I remember years ago a 4.81 might get you 3rd, but since the sweeps started cutting deeper-to deep to me- there are 4.87's that don't place
 
Not necessarily anything shady, it depends who the author is, if its someone who has been around a long time or big in that category it can happen.

But being its a contest entry if it is something funky it will get taken care of.

I think the OP thinking a 4.81 will place is wishful thinking. I remember years ago a 4.81 might get you 3rd, but since the sweeps started cutting deeper-to deep to me- there are 4.87's that don't place

I checked into that before making my initial post. I'm really not looking to tear anybody down; rather, I'd like to find out how to get 900+ high-scoring votes for my own story within six days, legitimately!

The author has not been around for a long time, was not "big" in that category, and hadn't posted anything in that category in over nine months. Had he been around a long time and posted a lot of stuff, I'd have understood it a lot better, even if I still thought something weird was going on. (After all, even if you have 2,000 followers, that won't give you almost 20,000 views in less than a week unless Literotica counts each individual page view as one "view", meaning that, for example, 2,000 people reading all the way through a 10-page story would add 20,000 to the view counter.)

Theoretically the scores that place are the top three, no matter what they are. A 3.50 would place if only two stories in the contest scored higher. But if the stakes are higher now, that just gives people all the more incentive to game the system, by doing what they can to pad their own stories with 5-star votes and giving lower votes to other stories in the contest so as to bring them down. I imagine it'd help if the voting system could be somehow programmed so that no author who posted a story in a contest could vote on any other story in that contest. I'm under no delusions that that'd be failsafe, though. They could vote anonymously, which might only get caught if they were on their regular computers. They could vote anonymously from different devices other than their regular computers, and still ruin it for other people. What a world it is, when people will sabotage others just to aggregate more glory for themselves.

We aren't born that way. That's one absolute certainty, and anyone who'd disagree hasn't spent any significant time around infants or toddlers.
 
I checked into that before making my initial post. I'm really not looking to tear anybody down; rather, I'd like to find out how to get 900+ high-scoring votes for my own story within six days, legitimately!

Honestly, you sound like you might be getting a little too wrapped-up in the contest.

I don't think anyone can control all of the details. In his case, it looks to me like he had the combination of good placement on the New list (something he had no control over), appealing title and short description (his choice, but he might have been lucky), a category that's friendly to appropriate stories (his choice), and a story that left people with a willingness to vote (his writing).

That probably had to be combined with characteristics in the story that drew readers in and didn't push some readers away -- an uncommon fetish, for instance.

His 900 votes is a big outcome for Romance, but if it's votes you want then post in I/T or LW. My contest story has more than 860 votes, 67K views, more than 120 favorites, and I've gained about 60 followers since my story published. And you know what? None of those are big numbers.

My story's rating is also not a very big number, but it's totally what I expected. The feedback's been fun.
 
Top left of the first page of every story - but you have to click in.

Okay, that suggests that we're looking at different things. I'm using the new interface, not the classic, and there's a sidebar at the right giving number of views, but there really is nothing about number of votes.
 
Okay, that suggests that we're looking at different things. I'm using the new interface, not the classic, and there's a sidebar at the right giving number of views, but there really is nothing about number of votes.
I'm in Beta, not Classic.

Views is just below the story's subtitle, on the left, in my view (android).
 
I checked into that before making my initial post. I'm really not looking to tear anybody down; rather, I'd like to find out how to get 900+ high-scoring votes for my own story within six days, legitimately!

The author has not been around for a long time, was not "big" in that category, and hadn't posted anything in that category in over nine months. Had he been around a long time and posted a lot of stuff, I'd have understood it a lot better, even if I still thought something weird was going on. (After all, even if you have 2,000 followers, that won't give you almost 20,000 views in less than a week unless Literotica counts each individual page view as one "view", meaning that, for example, 2,000 people reading all the way through a 10-page story would add 20,000 to the view counter.)

Theoretically the scores that place are the top three, no matter what they are. A 3.50 would place if only two stories in the contest scored higher. But if the stakes are higher now, that just gives people all the more incentive to game the system, by doing what they can to pad their own stories with 5-star votes and giving lower votes to other stories in the contest so as to bring them down. I imagine it'd help if the voting system could be somehow programmed so that no author who posted a story in a contest could vote on any other story in that contest. I'm under no delusions that that'd be failsafe, though. They could vote anonymously, which might only get caught if they were on their regular computers. They could vote anonymously from different devices other than their regular computers, and still ruin it for other people. What a world it is, when people will sabotage others just to aggregate more glory for themselves.

We aren't born that way. That's one absolute certainty, and anyone who'd disagree hasn't spent any significant time around infants or toddlers.

I already pointed out that the vote:view ratio for other romance stories in the last 30 days on the toplist is fairly consistent with that one story. So there's nothing suspicious about that.

Well then what if go farther back?

If we look at the one year toplist for Romance, we can see 13 stories out of 50 that have received over 2000 votes within the last 12 months. Since we know that for nearly all stories the first day is the day on which they receive by far the greatest number of votes, we can surmise that these stories also received hundreds of votes on their very first day.

Why? Who knows. There's a substantial random element. Sometimes authors hit home runs, and it's hard to tell why.

It's not that unusual for an author to write just one story that turns out successful. DiscreetNFun wrote an incest story in 2017 that now has over 980,000 views and is high on the list of most favorited Literotica stories of all time. It happens.

So I don't think there's anything obviously suspicious about these results.
 
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