Age of consent and under 18 rule

[Maloufokker]

I am a newbie contributor here so I must ask stupid questions...

I have a story in draft where two characters (1M+1F) central to the plot have full intercourse for the first time when they are both 16, which is legal in the country where the story is set. This event is preceded by an experimental heavy petting learning process from an earlier age. The events are essential to the development of both characters and fudging it to 18 would destroy the relevance of their experiences and the influence on both the characters in later years.

What say the rules on Lit ? Nothing under 18?

 

[TxRad]

Nothing under 18, period.

 

[Blind_Justice]

It's not about age of consent, it's what Laurel decrees. Her house, her rule.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There is a site that sets the bar at sixteen. I guess that allows for any activity, but I'd have to verify it. You can try them.

Am I allowed to mention the name of the site? I know it's been mentioned here before.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

What say the rules on Lit ? Nothing under 18?

Yes. Nothing under 18, except in passing nonspecific reference.

And by nothing, the rules mean nothing sexual at all: no masturbation, no watching other people, not being referred to as a sexual person, nothing.

People have said that you can write that a character lost their virginity at a younger age. But you can't describe the events at all. I think some people have reported a story being rejected even if an older character describes being aroused at the memory of an 'underage' event.

The lady who runs this site and reviews all the stories has a very clear cut and conservative take on this rule.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I am a newbie contributor here so I must ask stupid questions...

I have a story in draft where two characters (1M+1F) central to the plot have full intercourse for the first time when they are both 16, which is legal in the country where the story is set. This event is preceded by an experimental heavy petting learning process from an earlier age. The events are essential to the development of both characters and fudging it to 18 would destroy the relevance of their experiences and the influence on both the characters in later years.

What say the rules on Lit ? Nothing under 18?

You can allude to it having happened, you can not describe it.

While that may seem limiting, perhaps you could see it as an opportunity to find a creative way to impart the information that will pass muster.

 

[Voboy]

You can allude to it having happened, you can not describe it.

While that may seem limiting, perhaps you could see it as an opportunity to find a creative way to impart the information that will pass muster.

This.

If you're not willing to move to 18/19, then you'll need to use a workaround that will, likely, be quite vague. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it here.

 

[TxRad]

This.

If you're not willing to move to 18/19, then you'll need to use a workaround that will, likely, be quite vague. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it here.

Butts are also included.

 

[KeithD]

There is a site that sets the bar at sixteen. I guess that allows for any activity, but I'd have to verify it. You can try them.

Am I allowed to mention the name of the site? I know it's been mentioned here before.

There's a site that sets the bar at 14. So, there are sites where these stories can be placed.

 

[RejectReality]

If you can age up characters or water down elements that are too extreme for Lit without hurting the story or your enjoyment of writing it, that's fine and dandy. It will get read more here than it will on any other site.

That's not always possible, though.

Diversify your options. While Lit has the most traffic of any written erotica site, not everything you imagine can be posted here. Other sites have different content rules, while still having enough traffic to make posting there worth your while.

Find a home for your idea rather than forcing your ideas to conform to a site/category. One of the "big 3" ( as I call them ) written erotica sites has only a single content rule — 14+ So short of that, whatever you come up with has a home with worthwhile readership numbers.

 

[Voboy]

Butts are also included.

I stand corrected.

 

[gunhilltrain]

If you can age up characters or water down elements that are too extreme for Lit without hurting the story or your enjoyment of writing it, that's fine and dandy. It will get read more here than it will on any other site.

That's not always possible, though.

Diversify your options. While Lit has the most traffic of any written erotica site, not everything you imagine can be posted here. Other sites have different content rules, while still having enough traffic to make posting there worth your while.

Find a home for your idea rather than forcing your ideas to conform to a site/category. One of the "big 3" ( as I call them ) written erotica sites has only a single content rule — 14+ So short of that, whatever you come up with has a home with worthwhile readership numbers.

Fourteen is pretty - I don't know how to describe it, out there? A bit extreme? But now I'm curious to see what they've got and maybe I'll even join and see what I can get away with. It does open up some horny adolescent possibilities.

 

[Wilson Spalding]

A good way of looking at it...

No matter your personal proclivities or formative experiences, think of it in terms of a business that hosts content. Figure that the servers are in the United States and knowingly allowing content that violated federal code, or the most conservative of state codes, opens them to prosecution or civil lawsuits that aren't otherwise shielded by legal precedent.

This is a free site for users. Literotica does not have a team of attorneys ready to parachute in at a moment's notice. The policies are just a way of staying safely out of the line of fire.

 

[Salacious_Scribe]

No matter your personal proclivities or formative experiences, think of it in terms of a business that hosts content. Figure that the servers are in the United States and knowingly allowing content that violated federal code, or the most conservative of state codes, opens them to prosecution or civil lawsuits that aren't otherwise shielded by legal precedent.

This is a free site for users. Literotica does not have a team of attorneys ready to parachute in at a moment's notice. The policies are just a way of staying safely out of the line of fire.

Not to mention to keep the pedophiles away. They get creepy.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I'm not too sure what non-disturbing reasons adults would have for wanting to read or write about fourteen year old children having sex. Sure, kids have sex. But adults sitting around reading about it and writing about it? No thanks.

 

[KeithD]

No matter your personal proclivities or formative experiences, think of it in terms of a business that hosts content. Figure that the servers are in the United States and knowingly allowing content that violated federal code, or the most conservative of state codes, opens them to prosecution or civil lawsuits that aren't otherwise shielded by legal precedent.

This is a free site for users. Literotica does not have a team of attorneys ready to parachute in at a moment's notice. The policies are just a way of staying safely out of the line of fire.

This comes up on occasion. There's no law against writing about sexual experience at this age. It's written in the mainstream. It's just something this Web site doesn't permit. Their choice may have something to do with the type of reader the Web site would like to have coming here but it specializes in other categories that both are illegal to do and as abhorrent to some folks as this is, so this doesn't seem to be a real issue either. It's just the site owners' choice, and that's good enough for the selection criteria here.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm not too sure what non-disturbing reasons adults would have for wanting to read or write about fourteen year old children having sex. Sure, kids have sex. But adults sitting around reading about it and writing about it? No thanks.

Under-age is something that generally creeps me out, but I don't think that makes every adult who reads/writes it a creeper, any more than every author in NC/Reluc is a rape apologist.

Some of those adults were once fourteen-year-olds who had sex - harmful or otherwise - and want to unpack their own experiences, in real or fictionalised form. One of my friends was molested as a child and later blogged about it - not as erotica, as a discussion of how it happened and how it affected her - but had to take it down because the law where she was didn't distinguish between that kind of writing and child exploitation.

I think it's probably sensible for Literotica to decide that they don't want that kind of content on this site, where the default presumption is that stories are meant to titillate. But there are many reasons why people write and read about stuff, and not all of them are bad.

 

[Acktion]

Laurel's house.

Her rules.

No under 18 graphic depictions. Period.

***shrug*** People try to skirt it. Try to rationalize that the onset of puberty comes with at least some minimal curiosity about sex. Try to argue legal.

But, at the end of the day, this is Laurel's joint. She holds the whip. And she reserves the right to refuse to hang your masterpiece on her walls if she feels she has proof that you have ignored the clear sign on the door "no shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service."

And she will if characters below the age of eighteen engage in any sexualized behaviors since that is a clearly posted rule of the house.

Most that can't just let it go workaround by baldly stating the characters are eighteen and in college, but with scene settings (living with parents [which could happen], school bells to change classes [which I've never heard of past high school, but don't pretend I've been everywhere and seen everything], and so on) and less mature behaviors (which are possible for a particularly more protected and less worldly person) that make it feel to me (taken together as a composite) that they just scanned through and set every reference to being sixteen to being eighteen and left the rest of a tale of two high school kids experimenting for the first time.

But, maybe not. Maybe there are colleges that ring bells to change classes and a pair of less worldly eighteen-year-olds living with their parents and having to sneak around so they aren't caught by their, also eighteen-year-old, sister or brother really happened in this author's world.

Either way, not my call. Not your call. Not anyone's call but Laurel's as she reads over your artwork (amidst hundreds of others) and decides which she is going to let wear her brand.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm not too sure what non-disturbing reasons adults would have for wanting to read or write about fourteen year old children having sex. Sure, kids have sex. But adults sitting around reading about it and writing about it? No thanks.

Millions of adults have had non-disturbing reasons for wanting to read Lolita, a novel about an older man who lusts for and eventually has sex with a girl who at the start of the novel is 12. It's not a sex book. There's nothing graphic. You may not like the book; that's your right. But if you are an educated and open-minded person it should not be difficult for you to imagine that others might think differently and have non-disturbing reasons to want to read it.

A genre of underage stories precluded by Laurel's rule (with which, so it is clear, I do not argue) is coming of age stories -- about young people who come of age sexually before the age of 18. Many adults, who now read or write, have fond memories of their own coming of age, which may have happened to them under the age of 18, and they may enjoy such stories. It's not at all difficult for me to understand how such people could have non-disturbing reasons for wanting to read and write such stories, any more than they would want to write stories on coming of age stories about other, nonsexual topics.

 

[Ginlover]

I am a newbie contributor here so I must ask stupid questions...

I have a story in draft where two characters (1M+1F) central to the plot have full intercourse for the first time when they are both 16, which is legal in the country where the story is set. This event is preceded by an experimental heavy petting learning process from an earlier age. The events are essential to the development of both characters and fudging it to 18 would destroy the relevance of their experiences and the influence on both the characters in later years.

What say the rules on Lit ? Nothing under 18?

Any chance you could respond to all the people you pm'ed asking for help with your previous question. I know I and at least one other person gave you feedback, having read your extract you messaged us and we have not had even an acknowledgment.

You are well within your right to not like our feedback but usually common courtesy to at at least acknowledge if someone has taken the time to give you feedback, beta read or edit. Thanks for having a look, I'll think about it is kinda enough, especially if you're moving on to request more support.

Just a little newbie tip I'll offer for free

 

[Handley_Page]

This subject comes up all too frequently (have a look for previous threads for details (2017, I think). There's a sticky about it somewhere, I believe.

For reasons too exhausting to go into, Laurel has fixed the age.
There is no 'wiggle-room'.
The problem is that some folks cannot reliably tell the difference between 'fantasy' and fact.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

There is no 'wiggle-room'.

Well...to split a rhetorical hair, there is wiggle room about '18'. The character has to present as 18 or older. So you can wiggle in Sci-Fi:

Getting freaky with the Cyberdyne Systems Model 101 aka the Terminator would be in bounds, even though he(?) is negative years old.

Kelli LeBrock of Weird Science should be in bounds, even though she is minutes old. As would Rachel et al from Bladerunner, 'born' as a full adult.

A graduation boinkfest with Clone troopers would be in bounds, even though they are by cannon aged at an accelerated rate (and therefore under 18 calendar years).

But yeah, normal humans must be over 18 years, the end.

 

[lovecraft68]

No matter your personal proclivities or formative experiences, think of it in terms of a business that hosts content. Figure that the servers are in the United States and knowingly allowing content that violated federal code, or the most conservative of state codes, opens them to prosecution or civil lawsuits that aren't otherwise shielded by legal precedent.

This is a free site for users. Literotica does not have a team of attorneys ready to parachute in at a moment's notice. The policies are just a way of staying safely out of the line of fire.

What line of fire? Why would they need attorneys?

It is not illegal to write about under aged sex. If it were Stephen King would be doing a life sentence.

Now each platform can have its house rules, which is the case here.

But it has nothing to do with legalities.

 

[oggbashan]

The age of consent has nothing to do with Lit's rules.

In the UK, a 16-year-old can marry with parental permission. One of my cousins married on her 16th birthday. They have now been married for nearly sixty years.

But I can't and wouldn't write about her honeymoon because it would breach Lit's rules.

If I were to write a story for a UK site there would be no problem but not on Literotica.

 

[Maloufokker]

Any chance you could respond to all the people you pm'ed asking for help with your previous question. I know I and at least one other person gave you feedback, having read your extract you messaged us and we have not had even an acknowledgment.

You are well within your right to not like our feedback but usually common courtesy to at at least acknowledge if someone has taken the time to give you feedback, beta read or edit. Thanks for having a look, I'll think about it is kinda enough, especially if you're moving on to request more support.

Just a little newbie tip I'll offer for free

:caning: ...and much appreciated GL!

Forgive a newbie’s restraint in reply - I’m still on a steep climb here. I also reside in the EU central time zone and it does mean that our circadian rhythms differ somewhat.

I asked for assistance and I got it!
Thank you Scareltt Jada59 Ginlover and SisterJezabel (in chronological order of response.)
I really appreciate your candor and perspective, and I will take it into account going forward. If I may, I will consult your wisdom again in future…

I also made it past Laurel’s scrutiny with not one, but three contributions.
(Thank you Laurel!)
I was warned of a roasting on LW and I got the usual one dimensional kneejerks I expected. I can understand some countries have such a high divorce rate compared to other cultures more tolerant of monogamist lifestyles...

Thank you all and here are my contributions so far:

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=576489&page=submissions

EDIT: "Lauren" corrected to Laurel - with apology.