More on the Flynn case

[Lazaran]

In reality the case against Flynn should be dropped for the simplest of reasons. The charge that Flynn lied in a "material" way to the FBI can not be prosecuted beyond a reasonable doubt. The two agents didn't believe Flynn lied and Comey himself said Flynn's guilt was a "close call" which isn't anywhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt." Put that on top of the facts now known that the case against Flynn was not legally predicated in the first place and you have one big loser. Sullivan's intransigence is more about his reputation and animus towards Flynn than it is about any wrongdoing on Flynn's part.

You see, that's the lie the right keeps spreading. The agents interviewing Flynn said his body language suggested that he wasn't being deceptive. However, his answers about his conversations with Russian ambassador Kislyak were clearly lies, and there are recorded phone calls and testimony from other witnesses that prove Flynn was lying. The agents interviewing Flynn even used exact phrases from the recorded phone calls when phrasing their questions in an attempt to let him know that they had him on tape, and to give him a chance to tell the truth, but Flynn stuck to his lies.

For some reason he really didn't want to tell the FBI he was dealing with the Russians. I wonder why??? Hmmmmm

 

[Conager]

In reality the case against Flynn should be dropped for the simplest of reasons. The charge that Flynn lied in a "material" way to the FBI can not be prosecuted beyond a reasonable doubt. The two agents didn't believe Flynn lied and Comey himself said Flynn's guilt was a "close call" which isn't anywhere near "beyond a reasonable doubt." Put that on top of the facts now known that the case against Flynn was not legally predicated in the first place and you have one big loser. Sullivan's intransigence is more about his reputation and animus towards Flynn than it is about any wrongdoing on Flynn's part.

The charging document goes farther. It drills down and specifically says that Flynn discussed sanctions and goes on to specify that those referenced sanctions were specifically the sanctions Obama put on after he PNG'd some Russians.

The closest you could construe to that was Flynn asking them not to escalate. The expectation was that Putin would PNG some US diplomats. Sanctions were not discussed. No assurances were given. Not even Obama style will have more flexibility after inauguration.

Regardless of what he did or did not remember when he spoke to the FBI agents trying to perjury-trap him, he could not possibly have lied and said he didn't talk about sanctions because even if he had said such a thing it would have been true.

 

[phrodeau]

Orly?

Why is it he didn't find any, then?

He found a bunch of them. Look up Operation Ghost Stories.

 

[Conager]

Would they have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that dog and those crazy kids?

 

[icanhelp1]

Would they have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that dog and those crazy kids?

We’ll see when the transcripts are released. When Flynn chatted with Kislyak wasn’t he already on the Trump payroll?

 

[icanhelp1]

You see, that's the lie the right keeps spreading. The agents interviewing Flynn said his body language suggested that he wasn't being deceptive. However, his answers about his conversations with Russian ambassador Kislyak were clearly lies, and there are recorded phone calls and testimony from other witnesses that prove Flynn was lying. The agents interviewing Flynn even used exact phrases from the recorded phone calls when phrasing their questions in an attempt to let him know that they had him on tape, and to give him a chance to tell the truth, but Flynn stuck to his lies.

For some reason he really didn't want to tell the FBI he was dealing with the Russians. I wonder why??? Hmmmmm

Read the reason why your redux article falls apart on it's face:

Words like; exculpatory evidence, Brady rule, ambush interview, Logan act and prominent individuals who if using your basis for charging Flynn then Kerry, Kennedy and Jesse Jackson should all have been charge. Other words like standard protocol violations, interference with transition of executive power, maybe read up on the Giglio vs The United States, Disclosure of material exculpatory and impeachment evidence.

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-...ally-seems-be-getting-the-justice-he-deserves


Lets start with this very important fact:

What did the FBI question him about? A December 2016 conversation Flynn had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The conversation was perfectly legitimate, as Flynn was the incoming national security adviser for the president-elect.

If you know anything about Andrew Weissmann you know he was almost disbarred for the Enron debacle where thousands of employees lost their jobs because of that fuckwits judicial and prosecutorial malfeasance. I know you have a problem understanding why Hillary is key to this miscarriage of justice because the case is much bigger than Flynn. There wasn't even a predicate for establishing a special counsel. The whole ordeal is fruit of the poison tree. The Mueller report will be found as an unconstitutional legal procedure from day one. You and KeithD should be very concerned on how Obama's DOJ came of the rails.

 

[Lazaran]

Read the reason why your redux article falls apart on it's face:

Words like; exculpatory evidence, Brady rule, ambush interview, Logan act and prominent individuals who if using your basis for charging Flynn then Kerry, Kennedy and Jesse Jackson should all have been charge. Other words like standard protocol violations, interference with transition of executive power, maybe read up on the Giglio vs The United States, Disclosure of material exculpatory and impeachment evidence.

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-...ally-seems-be-getting-the-justice-he-deserves


Lets start with this very important fact:

What did the FBI question him about? A December 2016 conversation Flynn had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The conversation was perfectly legitimate, as Flynn was the incoming national security adviser for the president-elect.

If you know anything about Andrew Weissmann you know he was almost disbarred for the Enron debacle where thousands of employees lost their jobs because of that fuckwits judicial and prosecutorial malfeasance. I know you have a problem understanding why Hillary is key to this miscarriage of justice because the case is much bigger than Flynn. There wasn't even a predicate for establishing a special counsel. The whole ordeal is fruit of the poison tree. The Mueller report will be found as an unconstitutional legal procedure from day one. You and KeithD should be very concerned on how Obama's DOJ came of the rails.

Andrew Weissmann???, the guy who helped take down the Gambino crime family in New York???? The same Andrew Weissmann who helped convict corrupt ENRON executives?? The same Andrew Weissmann who pressed for the auditing firm that helped ENRON executives with their scam to be held accountable???

The Gambino crime family, corrupt ENRON executives, and shady accountants are not the good guys moron. Neither are the criminals who surrounded Trump. Manafort, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Stone, Gates, Parnas, Fruman, Collins, Flynn, and who knows who else.

Your attetmpt to blame Weissmann for prosecuting others corrupt behavior is classic deflection.

And now your bringing Hillary into this??? LOL

There was no predicate for establishing a special counsel??? LMFAO

Keep drinking the orange Kool-aid.

 

[Rightguide]

The charging document goes farther. It drills down and specifically says that Flynn discussed sanctions and goes on to specify that those referenced sanctions were specifically the sanctions Obama put on after he PNG'd some Russians.

The closest you could construe to that was Flynn asking them not to escalate. The expectation was that Putin would PNG some US diplomats. Sanctions were not discussed. No assurances were given. Not even Obama style will have more flexibility after inauguration.

Regardless of what he did or did not remember when he spoke to the FBI agents trying to perjury-trap him, he could not possibly have lied and said he didn't talk about sanctions because even if he had said such a thing it would have been true.

They had the transcripts but they thought they would never be released when they said Flynn had discussed the "sanctions" with the Russian Ambassador, which even if he did do this it would not be illegal. He discussed the PNG expulsion of Russian Diplomats with the Ambassador which is an entirely separate action by Obama than the "sanctions." I think Obama did the PNG action knowing Kislyak would call Flynn in Haiti and the call could be monitored.

The real question that should be asked about this call is why "wasn't" Flynn's name masked, as required by law? What parallel platform was used to monitor the call that would have avoided all of the ironclad Section 703 safeguards requiring the masking of any American citizen monitored. Remember the December 29 call was not on the unmasking log declassified by the DNI. So why wasn't it masked? Think "the hammer," go here to find out more:

https://theamericanreport.org/2017/...mer-brennans-clappers-secret-computer-system/

 

[icanhelp1]

Andrew Weissmann???, the guy who helped take down the Gambino crime family in New York???? The same Andrew Weissmann who helped convict corrupt ENRON executives?? The The same Andrew Weissmann who pressed for the auditing firm that helped ENRON executives with their scam to be held accountable???

The Gambino crime family, corrupt ENRON executives, and shady accountants are not the good guys moron. Neither are the criminals who surrounded Trump. Manafort, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Stone, Gates, Parnas, Fruman, Collins, Flynn, and who knows who else.

Your attetmpt to blame Weissmann for prosecuting others corrupt behavior is classic deflection.

And now your bringing Hillary into this??? LOL

There was no predicate for establishing a special counsel??? LMFAO

Keep drinking the orange Kool-aid.

Apparently predicate for an investigation doesn't mean much to you, do you understand the term probable cause or do you just investigate because.
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Perhaps you should educate yourself on what Weissmann is all about!

https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/0...veal-andrew-weissmanns-misconduct-enron-case/

The now unsealed records expose efforts by Weissmann, and the Enron Task Force he led, to intimidate witnesses and to interfere in the attorney-client relationship of a cooperating witness. Several affidavits unsealed last week catalogued veiled threats made to witnesses the Enron defendants sought to interview. However, because many of the attorneys would speak only off the record to Enron’s attorneys, the courts refused to consider the affidavits sufficient to prove prosecutorial misconduct.

Two attorneys, however, were willing to testify. In a just-unsealed affidavit, one lawyer stated that an FBI agent working for the Enron Task Force overseen by Weissmann warned his client against talking to the Enron defense team because “those are bad guys.” The second attorney stated that an FBI agent had made veiled threats against his client in a separate Enron trial.

This is your boy, how close his tactics resemble the Mueller case, he should have been disbarred back then. He's a clinton hatchet and Clinton is in the middle of this whole scandal! Flynn is not the Gambino family, he was a highly decorate army officer. Your problem is your hatred for Trump would justify prosecutorial malfeasance over justice and the appropriate application of law.



Why don't you stop pretending to know anything about law!

 

[Lazaran]

In the FBI interview, under oath, Flynn was asked what he discussed with Russian ambassador Kislyak on the phone call, and he didn't mention sanctions, when discussion of sanctions made up the bulk of the conversation. When the FBI agents interviewing Flynn used specific phrases from the recorded call to suggest Flynn might not be telling the truth, Flynn stuck to his lies. Flynn didn't know the FBI had recorded his conversation with Kislyak and thought he would get away with lying.

Oops.

 

[Conager]

Why do you feel the need to make things up? He had no idea that they were interviewing him and pointed out to them when they asked about the call, "You guys record these things." he knew the call was recorded. He was the former head of the DIA.

 

[icanhelp1]

The Flynn character assassination and attempted prosecution was an Obama hit job, you know it and I know it and very soon everyone will know it. You can try to justify process as material to the case, but we all know better. Most of the Mueller report were process crimes, absurd obstruction of justice fantasy and strong arm tactics all Weissmann's typical MO. There is a difference between leverage and coercion. Using process to coerce in order to predetermine a favorable outcome rather than following the facts is prosecutorial malfeasance. You didn't read my answer to your lefty loon redux bullshit. What was supposed to be a casual interview ( outside of FBI PROTOCOL ) turned into a hit job. Wonder if Obama had to go through that process if you'd be sitting here trying to spoon feed this same bullshit. TDS on steroids.

The case was dead on arrival.

Perhaps read this:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/fbi-lovebirds-lisa-page-peter-strzok-conspired-in-michael-flynn-case/

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Page replied: “You are awesome. Thank you.”

 

[HisArpy]

Why do you feel the need to make things up? He had no idea that they were interviewing him and pointed out to them when they asked about the call, "You guys record these things." he knew the call was recorded. He was the former head of the DIA.

He lies because he knows that you will respond to his lies. That validates him.

 

[Conager]

He lies because he knows that you will respond to his lies. That validates him.

You're right. He is basically a wordier Sgt Phrodeau or a BoreNextDoor that will engage rather than simply drop the latest Young Turks monologue and run.

 

[Lazaran]

Apparently predicate for an investigation doesn't mean much to you, do you understand the term probable cause or do you just investigate because.
^^^^^^^^^

Perhaps you should educate yourself on what Weissmann is all about!

https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/0...veal-andrew-weissmanns-misconduct-enron-case/
!

There was plenty of probable cause for every investigation surrounding Trump and the Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The fact that you cite the Federalist just exposes what a partisan fraud you are.

I actually read that "explosive" article and it's a fucking nothing burger. It's very similar to the "explosive" missing 302 nothing burger article.

It's a common tactic used by defense attorneys to distract from their clients criminal actions.

"Veiled threats" and "those are bad guys"?? Oh my, how intimidating. I'm sure you peed yourself when you read that article.

Is your real name Karen Snowflake???

 

[KeithD]

A U.S. general gearing up to be the number one foreign policy adviser in the United States sold himself to both the Russians and Turks (and who knows who else) and tried to keep it secret so he could continue to be a paid foreign asset in the U.S. government at the very top. The man is a scumbag who is guilty of treason and is lucky he hasn't been hanged yet. End of story.

 

[Rightguide]

Apparently predicate for an investigation doesn't mean much to you, do you understand the term probable cause or do you just investigate because.
^^^^^^^^^

Perhaps you should educate yourself on what Weissmann is all about!

https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/0...veal-andrew-weissmanns-misconduct-enron-case/

The now unsealed records expose efforts by Weissmann, and the Enron Task Force he led, to intimidate witnesses and to interfere in the attorney-client relationship of a cooperating witness. Several affidavits unsealed last week catalogued veiled threats made to witnesses the Enron defendants sought to interview. However, because many of the attorneys would speak only off the record to Enron’s attorneys, the courts refused to consider the affidavits sufficient to prove prosecutorial misconduct.

Two attorneys, however, were willing to testify. In a just-unsealed affidavit, one lawyer stated that an FBI agent working for the Enron Task Force overseen by Weissmann warned his client against talking to the Enron defense team because “those are bad guys.” The second attorney stated that an FBI agent had made veiled threats against his client in a separate Enron trial.

This is your boy, how close his tactics resemble the Mueller case, he should have been disbarred back then. He's a clinton hatchet and Clinton is in the middle of this whole scandal! Flynn is not the Gambino family, he was a highly decorate army officer. Your problem is your hatred for Trump would justify prosecutorial malfeasance over justice and the appropriate application of law.



Why don't you stop pretending to know anything about law!

It's obvious he hasn't read License To Lie by Sidney Powell, which exposes the corruption of Weissmann and many others in the DOJ. I wonder if Lazaran understands how the Enron case fared in the SCOTUS, a 9-0 defeat for Weissman and team.

https://licensedtolie.com/

 

[Rightguide]

A U.S. general gearing up to be the number one foreign policy adviser in the United States sold himself to both the Russians and Turks (and who knows who else) and tried to keep it secret so he could continue to be a paid foreign asset in the U.S. government at the very top. The man is a scumbag who is guilty of treason and is lucky he hasn't been hanged yet. End of story.

^^^
This is an actionable libel.

 

[HisArpy]

A U.S. general gearing up to be the number one foreign policy adviser in the United States sold himself to both the Russians and Turks (and who knows who else) and tried to keep it secret so he could continue to be a paid foreign asset in the U.S. government at the very top. The man is a scumbag who is guilty of treason and is lucky he hasn't been hanged yet. End of story.

Really?

Maybe you could remind us when the trial was where he found guilty of Treason? Or perhaps, indicate to us what country we're at war with?

Because, you know, for someone who professes to have been one of the legendary SR-71 Blackbird pilots, you seem to not know squat about things that a military officer would know as a matter of course since it's part of his officer training prior to being commissioned.

Why is that?

 

[Rightguide]

There was plenty of probable cause for every investigation surrounding Trump and the Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Tell us what it was. Nobody else can find it.

 

[HisArpy]

^^^
This is an actionable libel.

He's not worried, he's protected by a VPN and an anonymous internuts user ID.

 

[Conager]

There was plenty of probable cause for every investigation surrounding Trump and the Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The fact that you cite the Federalist just exposes what a partisan fraud you are.

I actually read that "explosive" article and it's a fucking nothing burger. It's very similar to the "explosive" missing 302 nothing burger article.

It's a common tactic used by defense attorneys to distract from their clients criminal actions.

"Veiled threats" and "those are bad guys"?? Oh my, how intimidating. I'm sure you peed yourself when you read that article.

Is your real name Karen Snowflake???

. . .says the guy that cites "Lawfare" that has been wrong on the law and their predictions of outcomes since its inception.

They will be wrong, once again, when Flynn is eventually exonerated after Sullivan's stalling reaches its conclusion.

Thus guy is a cartoon, citing old, already obsolete talking points and the discredited pundits and articles that supported those talking points before being demolished when events and actual reality intruded on those talking points.

 

[Rightguide]

He's not worried, he's protected by a VPN and an anonymous internuts user ID.

If he's selling his published stories on Amazon he's left a trail of monetary bread crumbs Sidney Powell's investigators would have no trouble following.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm beginning to doubt that any of you right wingers have actually read the redacted transcripts of the Flynn FBI interview. They're available online if you would like to educate yourselves.

I also highly doubt any of you have read Bill Priestaps explanation for the notes he wrote about the Flynn interview.

His explanation destroys one of Bill Barrs justifications for dropping the Flynn case, and Barr was aware of Priestaps view when he asked Judge Sullivan to drop the case.

Why do you dumb fucks think that Sullivan didn't simply acquiesce to Barrs move to end Flynns prosecution???

Trumps stink is all over Barr and his decision to drop the Flynn case.

 

[icanhelp1]

In the FBI interview, under oath, Flynn was asked what he discussed with Russian ambassador Kislyak on the phone call, and he didn't mention sanctions, when discussion of sanctions made up the bulk of the conversation. When the FBI agents interviewing Flynn used specific phrases from the recorded call to suggest Flynn might not be telling the truth, Flynn stuck to his lies. Flynn didn't know the FBI had recorded his conversation with Kislyak and thought he would get away with lying.

Oops.

And there ya go, They, the FBI knew the conversation with Kislyak and didn't volunteer that info to Flynn. Had Flynn discussed this with WH counsel this would never have stood the test. It was an interview not an interrogation. The process was flawed, the FBI suggested he not need counsel present because it was just an interview. For the FBI to suggest he didn't need an attorney present and then having the interview used against him stinks entrapment. Even the interview went against FBI protocol.