Drugs and Alcohol

[Zeb_Carter]

It does seem to be a hot-button issue for a small group of readers. I've seen people get really outraged by stories where somebody used marijuana without being somehow punished for it.

Those are the poor snowflakes that have been sheltered from everything for their entire life and are now just getting out into the real world and finding out it's not all... whatever they were told by their over protective parents.

ETA: I wonder how many TV shows get letters from irate viewers about alcohol and drug use on their network? Poor little snowflakes.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Those are the poor snowflakes that have been sheltered from everything for their entire life and are now just getting out into the real world and finding out it's not all... whatever they were told by their over protective parents.

ETA: I wonder how many TV shows get letters from irate viewers about alcohol and drug use on their network? Poor little snowflakes.

Uhhh... Pretty sure you misidentified the generation there. Pot-hatred is not generally a mark of the young.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Those are the poor snowflakes that have been sheltered from everything for their entire life and are now just getting out into the real world and finding out it's not all... whatever they were told by their over protective parents.

ETA: I wonder how many TV shows get letters from irate viewers about alcohol and drug use on their network? Poor little snowflakes.

I haven't read any of your fiction, but I think I should. It seem like you're good at it.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Those are the poor snowflakes that have been sheltered from everything for their entire life and are now just getting out into the real world and finding out it's not all... whatever they were told by their over protective parents.

ETA: I wonder how many TV shows get letters from irate viewers about alcohol and drug use on their network? Poor little snowflakes.

Uh... ok, boomer.

Anti-marijuana rhetoric has been code for anti-immigrant, anti-Mexican & Latinx and anti-Black for a hundred years, with the particular and oft repeated diatribes springing up as early as the immigration wave after the Mexican Revolution and continuing today with various pseudo-political applications. A lot of readily available research out there shows how this all underlies lots of today’s anti-cannabis vehemence; same issues, new propaganda.

A side note of some interesting lexicological insight: in the 1860s in Missouri, “snowflake” was slang for people against the abolition of slavery. Apparently, the slang has had a few past lives, most, like its current dismissiveness, rather negative.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

I haven't read any of your fiction, but I think I should. It seem like you're good at it.

That's the second time now you've made me burst out laughing about something I had to read twice to make sure I got.

Uh... ok, boomer.

Anti-marijuana rhetoric has been code for anti-immigrant, anti-Mexican & Latinx and anti-Black for a hundred years, with the particular and oft repeated diatribes springing up as early as the immigration wave after the Mexican Revolution and continuing today with various pseudo-political applications. A lot of readily available research out there shows how this all underlies lots of today’s anti-cannabis vehemence; same issues, new propaganda.

A side note of some interesting lexicological insight: in the 1860s in Missouri, “snowflake” was slang for people against the abolition of slavery. Apparently, the slang has had a few past lives, most, like its current dismissiveness, rather negative.

Well said.

What I don't think people who use the term "snowflake" understand, is that it doesn't bother most of the people they apply it to. You insulted me for being sensitive to someone else's feelings? Uh... okay. I can live with that. The speaker's left looking like an ass, but the target doesn't even feel insulted. It would be funny if it weren't for the ill-intent behind it.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

That's the second time now you've made me burst out laughing about something I had to read twice to make sure I got.



Well said.

What I don't think people who use the term "snowflake" understand, is that it doesn't bother most of the people they apply it to. You insulted me for being sensitive to someone else's feelings? Uh... okay. I can live with that. The speaker's left looking like an ass, but the target doesn't even feel insulted. It would be funny if it weren't for the ill-intent behind it.

Wow! I’m loving this thread. It was just a small question I wanted to see what would be the best course of advice, and I’m loving how such a variety of voices have expressed their views and thoughts – respectfully of others.

 

[KeithD]

There are people who have story-worthy sex who also do drugs and/or drink alcohol. To the extent that you're writing a character who does/would, writing them doing it is helping to establish their character. I haven't written or seen it written in to the point that Literotica hasn't/wouldn't publish it.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

There are people who have story-worthy sex who also do drugs and/or drink alcohol. To the extent that you're writing a character who does/would, writing them doing it is helping to establish their character. I haven't written or seen it written in to the point that Literotica hasn't/wouldn't publish it.

Thank you Keith. For me it was something I wanted to include a little of like alcohol or can be a big lever to move plot along.

 

[KeithD]

Thank you Keith. For me it was something I wanted to include a little of like alcohol or can be a big lever to move plot along.

I used it recently to show that a character was taking the sex far more casually than his partner was. The partner returns to it from the bathroom to find the guy propped up at the headboard, smoking a cigarette--and continues to do so into a blow job. To that point the partner was thinking someone special had been found. The casual cigarette use was used as a turning point in the story.

A book I'm reading now, Jason Webster's Or the Bull Kills You, completely recasts a tough cop, the protagonist, by having him smoke a joint.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I used it recently to show that a character was taking the sex far more casually than his partner was. The partner returns to it from the bathroom to find the guy propped up at the headboard, smoking a cigarette--and continues to do so into a blow job. To that point the partner was thinking someone special had been found. The casual cigarette use was used as a turning point in the story.

A book I'm reading now, Jason Webster's Or the Bull Kills You, completely recasts a tough cop, the protagonist, by having him smoke a joint.

Which is the story where the smoking takes place. I must admit it I was blowing someone I’d just shove it back in their pants if there were more interested in sucking off their cigarette.

 

[KeithD]

Which is the story where the smoking takes place. I must admit it I was blowing someone I’d just shove it back in their pants if there were more interested in sucking off their cigarette.

I've just written it. It won't appear on Lit. for a couple of years. It will be published in an anthology to the marketplace sometime next year and not be posted here until after it's had its time in the marketplace.

And, well, yes, the reaction you have to this scene is what I want the reader to have. That isn't necessarily the reaction the character has--or the initial reaction, which is more the dawning of the character's own navite and messed up wants, but a character having a different level of realization in a story than the reader has is what makes for good story tension.

 

[lovecraft68]

Which is the story where the smoking takes place. I must admit it I was blowing someone I’d just shove it back in their pants if there were more interested in sucking off their cigarette.

Or playing a video game...I've seen several porn vids of a creep playing a video game while the girls goes down on him

I guess even porn has realized how useless young men are today, and how girls are being conditioned to settle for their pansy ass jobless call of duty playing asses.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Or playing a video game...I've seen several porn vids of a creep playing a video game while the girls goes down on him

I guess even porn has realized how useless young men are today, and how girls are being conditioned to settle for their pansy ass jobless call of duty playing asses.

I never really got the whole video games thing. Boat just sailed on by and I just didn’t care. Not one bit.

I must admit that it’s not quite as pointless as a lot of these mobile phone games and online gambling – how on Earth can you program chance into anything? It makes you laugh. The house always wins.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Uh... ok, boomer.

I think you missed the bit about the 1960s and 70s there, Vix. You know, the line that says, "If you can remember it, you weren't there." Although I suspect your parents weren't hippies and your name isn't Moondance .

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

I think you missed the bit about the 1960s and 70s there, Vix. You know, the line that says, "If you can remember it, you weren't there." Although I suspect your parents weren't hippies and your name isn't Moondance .

I don’t know what any of this comment means.

Politically, the 1960s and 1970s were the early period of the War on Drugs in the US, which even government officials have subsequently admitted was purposefully anti-Black and anti-hippie. If anything, the late 1960s-and definitely the 70s—were a ramp up of new, detrimental anti-marijuana propaganda and tactics.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Those are the poor snowflakes that have been sheltered from everything for their entire life and are now just getting out into the real world and finding out it's not all... whatever they were told by their over protective parents.

ETA: I wonder how many TV shows get letters from irate viewers about alcohol and drug use on their network? Poor little snowflakes.

Nah. I know some folk are medically required to turn any discussion into a diatribe about Those Awful Millennials, but these comments had more of a "grumpy old man" vibe to them. Same style as the LW readers who use the comments to post their elaborate revenge fantasies.

ps you forgot to mention avocado toast and safe spaces, so I can only give this a 7/10.

 

[NotWise]

I don’t know what any of this comment means.

Politically, the 1960s and 1970s were the early period of the War on Drugs in the US, which even government officials have subsequently admitted was purposefully anti-Black and anti-hippie. If anything, the late 1960s-and definitely the 70s—were a ramp up of new, detrimental anti-marijuana propaganda and tactics.

I followed the link, and a window appeared at the top that offered "Continuous Penetration Testing." See? You kind find porn anywhere.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I don’t know what any of this comment means.

Politically, the 1960s and 1970s were the early period of the War on Drugs in the US, which even government officials have subsequently admitted was purposefully anti-Black and anti-hippie. If anything, the late 1960s-and definitely the 70s—were a ramp up of new, detrimental anti-marijuana propaganda and tactics.

Yeah, there's a reason things like the hippie movement were called counterculture.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Yeah, there's a reason things like the hippie movement were called counterculture.

One word, all caps: COINTELPRO.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I don’t know what any of this comment means.

Politically, the 1960s and 1970s were the early period of the War on Drugs in the US, which even government officials have subsequently admitted was purposefully anti-Black and anti-hippie. If anything, the late 1960s-and definitely the 70s—were a ramp up of new, detrimental anti-marijuana propaganda and tactics.

Those baby boomers aka hippies aka counter-culture, generally speaking, brought dope into the cultural main stream in the sixties, whereas previously it had been a minority drug of choice. What the Establishment was up to at the time was a conservative response to a cultural shift (which it always is).

You seem to broad-brush boomers together as establishmentarians, whereas I can assure you, at the time, we dope smokers didn't give a toss about the man. Too busy getting stoned.

But if you weren't even born then, it's all history, whereas at the time, it wasn't - not that I can lay claim to the sixties, but in the seventies "straights" (as we dismissively called them - and nothing to do with sexual orientation) just as dismissively regarded me as a hippy because I had long hair, bare feet, wore black velvet flares and an Indian muslin shirt. I'll let the world pause at the idea of that image.

Generational outrage isn't confined to whichever "generational band" you're in - we all get our time in the sun, and we all have our children and watch them to do, to a greater or lesser extent, what their parents did. My kids, for example, are far more conservative and morally high minded than I ever was. They're so very righteous, which counterbalances my cynicism and ennui. And that's how we progress, one generation at a time, learning and forgetting wisdom as we do so .

 

[Bramblethorn]

You seem to broad-brush boomers together as establishmentarians, whereas I can assure you, at the time, we dope smokers didn't give a toss about the man. Too busy getting stoned.

"OK boomer" is a standard response to a specific kind of boomer... usually in response to a broad-brush comment about younger generations. As it was here.

 

[ChloeTzang]

There are people who have story-worthy sex who also do drugs and/or drink alcohol. To the extent that you're writing a character who does/would, writing them doing it is helping to establish their character. I haven't written or seen it written in to the point that Literotica hasn't/wouldn't publish it.

I haven’t either. I have a half done story featuring meth pretty heavily and not in a good way. I’m sort of tempted now to finish it and see what reaction it gets.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I don’t know what any of this comment means.

Politically, the 1960s and 1970s were the early period of the War on Drugs in the US, which even government officials have subsequently admitted was purposefully anti-Black and anti-hippie. If anything, the late 1960s-and definitely the 70s—were a ramp up of new, detrimental anti-marijuana propaganda and tactics.

Ah Nixon and Vietnam, their shadows are long and just as toxic as ever. At least with the pandemic silencing other noise out a lot of the US’s problems are out in the open and can be fixed and redressed – finally.

No matter your political allegiance, progress marches on and the truth always comes out, as surely as the seas ebb and flow and the sun rises and sets, it’s only fools who’d try to impede either.

 

[NoJo]

I'm trying to recall the only story of mine that doesn't have any drugs or alcohol....

...nope, it's gone.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I'm trying to recall the only story of mine that doesn't have any drugs or alcohol....

...nope, it's gone.

Bless you.