senate votes to remove confederate names from military bases

[Rightguide]

After appropriate pause ....


Rucker was a Colonel, so the correct number is 9.

Okay, I'll give you that, but he was given an honorary Title of General:

"Edmund Winchester Rucker (1835 – 1924) was a Confederate officer during the American Civil War. He was given the title of "General" as an honorary award after the war, when he became an industrial leader of Birmingham, Alabama.[1] Fort Rucker, Alabama was named in honor of him. He is buried in Birmingham's Oak Hill Cemetery."

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Edmund_Rucker

 

[jaF0]

Ya' know Kentucky Colonels ain't really Colonels, right, just 'honorary', so ....

 

[Wrong Element]

The US Army took over 250+ Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe Kasernes after World War 2....they renamed virtually all of them after allied World War 2 heroes.

Why don't we rename Fort Bragg after Rommel? He had more success against the U.S. Army than Bragg did, and for all we know was less odious ideologically.

 

[jaF0]

So far, I can only find five with Native American names, though there may be others.

Camp Navajo (ARNG) [AZ]

Pueblo Chemical Depot [CO]

Yuma Proving Ground [AZ]; “Son of the Chief”., but I can't find which tribe and one site says it's African in origin.

Pensacola Naval Air Station [FL]; named for a Muskogean tribe, from Choctaw, literally "hair-people," from pashi "hair of the head" + oklah "people."

Camp Niantic (ARNG) [NJ] The Niantic (Nehântick or Nehantucket in their own language) were a tribe of Algonquian-speaking American Indians who lived in the area of Connecticut and Rhode Island during the early colonial period.

 

[jaF0]

And I can't figure out why anything is named after Custer.

 

[Rightguide]

So far, I can only find five with Native American names, though there may be others.

Camp Navajo (ARNG) [AZ]

Pueblo Chemical Depot [CO]

Yuma Proving Ground [AZ]; “Son of the Chief”., but I can't find which tribe and one site says it's African in origin.

Pensacola Naval Air Station [FL]; named for a Muskogean tribe, from Choctaw, literally "hair-people," from pashi "hair of the head" + oklah "people."

Camp Niantic (ARNG) [NJ] The Niantic (Nehântick or Nehantucket in their own language) were a tribe of Algonquian-speaking American Indians who lived in the area of Connecticut and Rhode Island during the early colonial period.

Though now an historical place, Fort Apache, AZ

 

[Rightguide]

And I can't figure out why anything is named after Custer.

You have to see history in its own context, without the nonexistent morality of today. Custer was a national hero. He was the youngest General in Army history, a few days after his promotion at age 23 he fought and defeated J.E.B Stuart at Gettysburg in the Shenandoah Valley he met and defeated General Jubal Early. He was present at Lee's surrender at Appomattox. The American people loved him and were enraged at his death, newspapers across America called for the extermination of the American Indian as a result. It was a different country and a different time, remember, its all about context.

 

[jaF0]

His arrogance and incompetence directly led to the loss of 200+ members the 7th including his own brother. The other officers in the area at the time blamed him. He should have been posthumously busted to Private.

 

[phrodeau]

You have to see history in its own context, without the nonexistent morality of today. Custer was a national hero. He was the youngest General in Army history, a few days after his promotion at age 23 he fought and defeated J.E.B Stuart at Gettysburg in the Shenandoah Valley he met and defeated General Jubal Early. He was present at Lee's surrender at Appomattox. The American people loved him and were enraged at his death, newspapers across America called for the extermination of the American Indian as a result. It was a different country and a different time, remember, its all about context.

Custer’s knob was polished in deference to his widow, who outlived him 56 years.

 

[doowdniw]

Ya' know Kentucky Colonels ain't really Colonels, right, just 'honorary', so ....

One of them was pretty successful with fried chicken.

 

[doowdniw]

You have to see history in its own context, without the nonexistent morality of today. Custer was a national hero. He was the youngest General in Army history, a few days after his promotion at age 23 he fought and defeated J.E.B Stuart at Gettysburg in the Shenandoah Valley he met and defeated General Jubal Early. He was present at Lee's surrender at Appomattox. The American people loved him and were enraged at his death, newspapers across America called for the extermination of the American Indian as a result. It was a different country and a different time, remember, its all about context.

The American people didn't love him near as much as he loved himself.

 

[jaF0]

To some, Buffalo Calf Road Woman is a hero of Little Big Horn.

 

[Lazaran]

And I can't figure out why anything is named after Custer.

In Custers case he was arguably following the orders of a legitimate US government at war with elements of a free people for control of land. While Custers actions were far from admirable in his encounters with native Americans, he was not a traitor who fought in support of slavery.

I actually believe the time for glorifying war is over. The history should never be forgotten, and it should be required learning at all levels of education, but monuments and military bases dedicated to one individual should probably be decommissioned and discontinued.

War is a terrible thing. The group monuments like the Vietnam memorial and military cemetery's are respectful ways to honor those who served without glorifying the ugly reality of war.

 

[Wrong Element]

His arrogance and incompetence directly led to the loss of 200+ members the 7th including his own brother. The other officers in the area at the time blamed him. He should have been posthumously busted to Private.

Custer was basically a fuckup — the president at the time of Little Bighorn, Grant, certainly thought so — but it's human nature to not ask too many questions like that in the wake of tragedy, and the Army's defeat was seen as a major tragedy for the country.

 

[Conager]

Since actions taken to reunite the country after a bitter civil war need whitewashing because of slavery, why not pull it all up by the roots?

Senate should vote to sever all diplomatic ties with Great Britain. Pure racism to acknowledge or maintain relations with those slavers that brought the cancer to our shores. All travel and immigration from there should be banned, all British nationals deported, forthwith.

 

[RobDownSouth]

One of them was pretty successful with fried chicken.

Another was fairly successful managing Elvis Presley.

 

[cinnefille]

You have to see history in its own context, without the nonexistent morality of today. Custer was a national hero. He was the youngest General in Army history, a few days after his promotion at age 23 he fought and defeated J.E.B Stuart at Gettysburg in the Shenandoah Valley he met and defeated General Jubal Early. He was present at Lee's surrender at Appomattox. The American people loved him and were enraged at his death, newspapers across America called for the extermination of the American Indian as a result. It was a different country and a different time, remember, its all about context.

These last pages were a satisfying read for me - I don't know much about American History.

I would like to also hear some parallels between the problems faced by Native Americans versus African Americans.
One group were invaded natives, others were brought in as slaves.

Because the issues re AA's seem eerily similar to those of Romanis (gypsies) in E/SE Europe:
-- both brought in as slaves,
both highly stigmatized/unfairly looked down upon, (I'm referring to their good folks & law-abiding citizens)
--both with a disproportionately higher rate of theft, rape, and murder
both having those crimes romanticized or swept under the carpet by Leftists.

 

[cinnefille]

Since actions taken to reunite the country after a bitter civil war need whitewashing because of slavery, why not pull it all up by the roots?

Senate should vote to sever all diplomatic ties with Great Britain. Pure racism to acknowledge or maintain relations with those slavers that brought the cancer to our shores. All travel and immigration from there should be banned, all British nationals deported, forthwith.

BBC and British/German press tried the same with E/SE Europe: many snotty docus about how the high incarceration rates among Romanis and Muslims are caused by local racism and bogus charges.

Only to experience cosmic irony after the Brussels Elite opened their borders: all those criminals moved to Britain and Germany, which became swamped by pocket-pickers and knife attackers.
Bwahaha!

The difference between Europe/US being, as you and AJ pointed out:
Britain IS directly responsible for slavery and the post-slavery mess in the US. So their uppity Libs. should shut up.

 

[Rightguide]

These last pages were a satisfying read for me - I don't know much about American History.

I would like to also hear some parallels between the problems faced by Native Americans versus African Americans.

Some American Indian tribes owned black slaves.

 

[Lancedalot]

Some American Indian tribes owned black slaves.

From what Ive read virtually every American Indian tribe captured slaves, most from other tribes and most commonly just women and children after slaying the adult men.

Slavery has always existed and still does today.

Whatever skin color or race or ethnicity or time in history or whatever else may apply to any specific example is vastly secondary at very best to the fact that a slave is a slave.

 

[Sean]

Since actions taken to reunite the country after a bitter civil war need whitewashing because of slavery, why not pull it all up by the roots?
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I'm pretty sure the "bitter civil war" had been over for quite a while by the time WW1 ended.

 

[jaF0]

I'm pretty sure the "bitter civil war" had been over for quite a while by the time WW1 ended.

I'm not sure it's over yet.

 

[Lancedalot]

The op says "senate votes to remove confederate names from military bases."

I always trust what butters says because as she always says, she never lies.

But no matter how much I google I cannot find the Senate voting on this issue.

Surely my google-fu sucks because as butters always says, she never lies.

What am I missing?

 

[schism666]

What am I missing?

laurel often removes your name from literotica.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The op says "senate votes to remove confederate names from military bases."

I always trust what butters says because as she always says, she never lies.

But no matter how much I google I cannot find the Senate voting on this issue.

Surely my google-fu sucks because as butters always says, she never lies.

What am I missing?

Here you go Lace: LINK

This is turning into a masterclass of political theater thanks to Senator Elizabeth Warren. She sponsored the legislation in the annual Defense appropriation bill, and forced a comittee vote on the record. Several Republicans on the committee are vulnerable this election cycle, and voting against removing Confederate names would basically forfeit any chance of receiving minority votes. It looked like a no-brainer to vote for removing Confederate names, but the whackadoodle right wing loves treason and is having a hissy fit over the vote (even though the vast majority of the whackadoodle right never served in uniform).