senate votes to remove confederate names from military bases

[jaF0]

In service traditional nomenclature. An Army camp is usually smaller and temporary when compared to a stationary fort. The Marine Corps a Naval amphibious force thought of their encampments as temporary but with its growth over time their installations became permanent bases, but the Marines decided to retain the term camp for some bases out of tradition.

And yet when they combine, they lose that and go to Joint Base or Joint Operations Base, etc.

 

[FlowersForFun]

Yeah, from a white persons perspective I can see how that makes sense.

Makes sense to me.....I'm not white.

Wait a minute.......Did you just demonstrate a perfect example of white privilege and support institutional racism in the military????

Maybe it shouldn't be called white privilege.

Again, that point of view isn't a privilege white people get for being white.

So no....doing so would be petty and transparent race baiting.

Maybe it should be called white indifference or white insensitivity.

Both are just another way of saying white people don't care about black people.

Not either of those things either.....I know this is hard for racist like you to understand, but not all white people think the same or share the same exclusive opinions and not all people of color disagree.

Maybe you should tone that overt racism of yours down so you can realize that fact.

Nobody is going to hold their breath though....

 

[Rightguide]

And yet when they combine, they lose that and go to Joint Base or Joint Operations Base, etc.

True, that isn't the only thing about the Pentagon that will confuse the hell out of normal people.

 

[Rightguide]

I have one question in regard to this article written by a disgraced General. He talks about his former tours of duty at Fort Bragg in his past service. Why did the general choose to fight this battle by "surrendering" to a howling mob instead of bravely "fighting" this battle with the personal courage to risk his stars for a cause he now conveniently believes is a national imperative?

Take the Confederate Names Off Our Army Bases

It is time to remove the names of traitors like Benning and Bragg from our country’s most important military installations.
June 9, 2020
David Petraeus
Retired U.S. Army general and former CIA director

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/take-confederate-names-off-our-army-bases/612832/

 

[bellisarius]

There is no doubt that it is symbolic and obviously political (since the Left had 8 years under President Obama to do something but, of course, did nothing).

And the Cancel Culture is 1984-level dangerous. But this is the Left. It destroys. It eliminates. Nothing is more dangerous than leftists (communists, socialists, anarchists, totalitarians).

However, in the case of names going back to the US Civil War on the Confederate side (aka the Democrats) they should have been removed a long time ago. Confederate military leaders were literally military personnel representing another country with its own capitol and currency for a four year period of time.

As for statues symbols matter. They will be erected and torn down over time as civilizations change, adapt, grow or die. Just like cemeteries or burial sites. Just like cities and cultures. Nothing is permanent from a human civilization standpoint.

In their minds only. The North's perspective is that they were states in rebellion. They never left the Union as it were. Can't have our history both ways at the same time, can we now? Further, ALL of those people were pardoned at the end of the war, period. What do you propose as the new name for the Nixon Presidential Library?

This is a movement by a rabble rousing minority (not of any particular race). A minority that should be rounded up and shipped off to another nation that would appreciate their particular form of mental illness. Ontario comes immediately to mind.

 

[coati]

WASHINGTON, March 13, 2009 – First lady Michelle Obama, having just returned from a meeting yesterday with military families at Fort Bragg, N.C

"As your commander in chief, and on behalf of a grateful nation, I'm proud to finally say these two words, and I know your families agree -- welcome home. Welcome home," Obama told cheering troops at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Get ready for more discussions about a racist prick named Bragg.

Loving the troops is different the loving the current namesake of the base.

 

[Lazaran]

^^^

The above is just another way of you saying you're ignorant. The amnesty also applied to black soldiers who fought for the South. The white people in the North who formed the anti-slavery Republican Party, cared enough about black people in the South to sacrifice the lives of over 350,000 of their sons to free the black slaves owned by Democrats in the South, you dumb SOB.

You should complete your thought before you call someone else a dumb SOB. You fuckwit.

The racist southern democrats you cite switched over to the Republican Party in the late 60's and early 70's due to the Democratic party's civil rights support. Quit pretending you don't know about Goldwater and Nixons southern strategy.

Your comment about amnesty for black people who "fought" for the south may be the single most racist thing I've read on this board.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The white people in the North who formed the anti-slavery Republican Party, cared enough about black people in the South to sacrifice the lives of over 350,000 of their sons to free the black slaves owned by Democrats in the South, you dumb SOB.

y-yu-yuh-you really believe Whites went to their inevitable deaths because they cared enough about Black people to free them from slavery...

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*laughs in Jim Crow and the numerous other post-slavery altruistic expressions of caring from White people that made Black people their social and financial equals in American brotherhood under the Christian God they swore fealty to*

you are the comedic heart and soul of this site, my guy!

 

[Lady2020]

As someone whose ancestors owned, sold, raped slaves, who willed their slaves to the next generation, it's time to put the Lost Cause bullshit in the grave.

 

[Lancedalot]

Lincoln was human proof that one can be a white supremist while also holding slavery as a crime against humanity.

I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.

Abraham Lincoln, fourth Lincoln-Douglas debate, September 18, 1858, Charleston, IL

Lincoln won the 1860 presidential election with <40% of the vote in a four-way race, and didn't receive a single Electoral vote from any southern state.

By the day Lincoln was first inaugurated as President, seven Southern states had already seceded. The other four immediately followed specifically because Lincoln was elected President.

Read Lincoln's First Inaugural Address and you'll see it as exactly what it was: a direct appeal to all those southern states in flat out terms.

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861

Horace Greely was the editor of the New-York Tribune and had recently written an editorial directed at Lincoln. Lincoln responded:

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.

Lincoln nor his fellow Republicans were abolitionists. Lincoln made it clear that slavery didn't matter to him in re to the Civil War, just as clear as he made it that the only thing that did matter to him was keeping the Union together at any cost, which he did, indeed, pay full price for, both unconstitutionally and with his life.

"Sic semper tyrannis."

It was the abolition-at-any-cost Radical Republicans who kept the political pressure on the issue that resulted in the Thirteenth Amendment and who effected on the ground actions in the newly conquered South which directly resulted in the first American blacks elected to local, state and federal offices immediately after the War, even with Democrat pro-slavery President Andrew Johnson in office after Lincoln's assassination.

Its was Lincoln's Republican Party determined to win back that office that led them to compromise the Radical Republicans revolutionary accomplishments in the South in exchange for Republican Grant winning the election. Once in office, Grant and his Republcian Party effectively turned a totally blind eye to the Democrat South completely reversing the progress Radical Republicans had established by full-scale implementing Jim Crow laws that lasted for almost 100 years, unjustly resubjecting American blacks to everything but slavery.

 

[rae121452]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/...te=1&user_id=33e9b2b47b7f7761a48a8053d434359c

oh, hi! we're a bunch of traitors. we tried to overthrow the country and destroy the democracy. wait a minute...you mean we can't have statues and bases named after us? that's unconstitutional! (you remember, the one we tried to overthrow.) well, fuck this! you're violating my rights! doesn't germany have statues of prominent nazis? okay, bad example.

 

[cinnefille]

oh, hi! we're a bunch of traitors.
we tried to overthrow the country and destroy the democracy.

wait a minute...you mean we can't have statues and bases named after us?
that's unconstitutional! (you remember, the one we tried to overthrow.)
well, fuck this! you're violating my rights!

doesn't germany have statues of prominent nazis? okay, bad example.

I don't think That's what's irking people, rae.

For me, the replacement of controversial statues was long overdue.
I don't want to see a statue of a slave trader either, or of someone that, as I just recently learned, engaged in genocide of NA's.

It's shitty racist attitudes like yours.
Why do you assume, for example, that THAT's what irks Whites about the current drama, and not something else?

 

[phrodeau]

Lincoln was a white supremacist. So that explains why Trump likes him.

 

[hogjack]

In their minds only. The North's perspective is that they were states in rebellion. They never left the Union as it were.

Every officer for the Confederacy believed they were with a new country led by Jefferson Davis (D). Every officer for the Confederacy took up arms to protect their new country.

The North did what it had to do from "forgiveness" to other measures to make the nation whole.

But, make no mistake, the South was its own country with its own capitol. Had it "won" the war - a highly unlikely outcome based on its severe disadvantages - the officers would have continued as Confederacy military leaders.

So, yes, the Generals and officers of the Confederacy spend four years working for another country.

 

[Lazaran]

Lincoln was a white supremacist. So that explains why Trump likes him.

Lincoln was President, and if you have had a chance to see or read some of the excellent documentaries of his life as President, you would understand that he often had to say and do things publicly that he did not agree with to try and win re-election and save the union.

The most telling line in his response to Horace Greely is the final line where he expresses his wish that all men everywhere could be free.

 

[Wrong Element]

I note that the poster who has been most vehement about defining any opposition to Donald Trump as "treason" is awfully tolerant of military officers who actually took up arms against the United States.

 

[Lazaran]

I note that the poster who has been most vehement about defining any opposition to Donald Trump as "treason" is awfully tolerant of military officers who actually took up arms against the United States.

Strange that.

 

[Rightguide]

You should complete your thought before you call someone else a dumb SOB. You fuckwit.

The racist southern democrats you cite switched over to the Republican Party in the late 60's and early 70's due to the Democratic party's civil rights support. Quit pretending you don't know about Goldwater and Nixons southern strategy.

Your comment about amnesty for black people who "fought" for the south may be the single most racist thing I've read on this board.

You are the dumbest shit head on Lit. There's nothing racist about the truth. I already refuted the nonsense about the myths surrounding the Southern Strategy."Learn now to read.

 

[Lazaran]

You are the dumbest shit head on Lit. There's nothing racist about the truth. I already refuted the nonsense about the myths surrounding the Southern Strategy."Learn now to read.

No, you really didn't.

Your comment equating southern black slaves to southern white traitors is beyond racist.

 

[Rightguide]

No, you really didn't.

Your comment equating southern blacks to southern white traitors is beyond racist.

Look it up you dumb shit some blacks did fight for the South.

 

[Lazaran]

Look it up you dumb shit some blacks did fight for the South.

Wow, you right wingers really are that stupid.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I note that the poster who has been most vehement about defining any opposition to Donald Trump as "treason" is awfully tolerant of military officers who actually took up arms against the United States.

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Look it up you dumb shit some blacks did fight for the South.

Because they believed in the South, or because their lives were so good as slaves that they wanted to, or....

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[lateforhypnosis]

Hahaha

Democrats



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[pointless]

Look it up you dumb shit some blacks did fight for the South.

yeah, i don't think forced labor counts as combat, kiddo.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Democrats



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Unborn babies.


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HELL

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that-that's not even the subject...

oh mai gah, you basic bitch right wing schmucks, you just...you just...you...

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