The Glorification of George Floyd

[jomar]

There is a lot of info on Breanna that hasn't been made public. The police knocked on her door 6 different times over a 15 minute time frame. Wonder what took them so long to answer the door. What with them living in an area well known as DRUG HAVEN. Couldn't have been dumping drugs down the toilet could it???

Link us up to your info.

Why would police knock on the door when they had a no knock warrant? Kinda defeats the purpose, no?

Have you seen the coverage? Are you talking about a different case as Zumi wondered.

 

[cinnefille]

Institutional racism is like your body odor. You don't notice it because it's your body odor and your used to it. You actually think you smell good. Unfortunately the people around you, who are not you, think you smell like shit. And because you're an entitled fuck, you're not going to take a bath even when people tell you that you smell like shit. You'll deny you smell like shit, then get mad and attack them for saying you smell like shit. Then you'll say they smell like shit even when you know they don't and you know you haven't taken a bath in months.

Do you understand now???

Leaving aside the topic of racism that few by now are disputing:


I think that you're referring to microaggressions.
Yes, those are rife from assholes. Those subtle "you yuck me" looks" that manipulate one into feeling small or ashamed, bosses who micromanage their poc employees trying to get them fired.

And pockets of systemic inequalities still exist, like access to local schools or hospitals.

But Anglo-Saxon countries give equal pays, equal social benefits, poc clients who file anti-discrimination complaints tend to win.
And mostly - if you're a poc with a lower test score, you are given priority over a local White with a higher test score.

How are those in any way reminiscent of the Apartheid society you keep describing?

 

[Lazaran]

Nope. I still see things the same way, that analogy merely told me a couple of things about you.

Well if it told you I think you're being willfully ignorant about the role race played in the George Floyd murder and the Ahmaud Arbery vigilante killing, then you're correct.

 

[Lazaran]

Leaving aside the topic of racism that few by now are disputing:


I think that you're referring to microaggressions.
Yes, those are rife from assholes. Those subtle "you yuck me" looks" that manipulate one into feeling small or ashamed, bosses who micromanage their poc employees trying to get them fired.

And pockets of systemic inequalities still exist, like access to local schools or hospitals.

But Anglo-Saxon countries give equal pays, equal social benefits, poc clients who file anti-discrimination complaints tend to win.
And mostly - if you're a poc with a lower test score, you are given priority over a local White with a higher test score.

How are those in any way reminiscent of the Apartheid society you keep describing?

I am a fifth generation white male United States citizen, and I know the statistics for outcomes in all institutionally influenced areas of society. Despite the rosy picture of progress you paint, the systemic racism leading to the disproportionately negative outcomes in employment, education, health condition, and adjudications , for black people has continued to disadvantage them to the point of being apartheid lite. The biggest problem is wealth disparity, with white people having on average 10 times the wealth of black people. Poverty leads to almost every other negative outcome in life. As long as people keep dismissing the wealth gap, there will continue to be conflict. Oddly enough, the pandemic putting people out of work may have opened some white people's eyes to the plight of black people, and made them more empathetic towards the black communities feelings about the George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery murders.

Fate works in mysterious ways.

 

[cinnefille]

I am a fifth generation white male United States citizen, and I know the statistics for outcomes in all institutionally influenced areas of society. Despite the rosy picture of progress you paint, the systemic racism leading to the disproportionately negative outcomes in employment, education, health condition, and adjudications , for black people has continued to disadvantage them to the point of being apartheid lite.

The biggest problem is wealth disparity, with white people having on average 10 times the wealth of black people. Poverty leads to almost every other negative outcome in life.

As long as people keep dismissing the wealth gap, there will continue to be conflict. Oddly enough, the pandemic putting people out of work may have opened some white people's eyes to the plight of black people, and made them more empathetic towards the black communities feelings about the George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery murders.

Fate works in mysterious ways.

If you want White and Asian people to join your fight against racism, you should change your lingo
and stop making it sound as if Whites are rich because they stole from Blacks.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The fact that he didn’t/hasn’t undermines the argument.

False.

 

[cinnefille]

Look, Lazaran, when one starts to dissect them, you make several good points.

I just don't like the accusatory, guilt-tripping tone of your statements.

You're phrasing it as a "White undeserved surplus", "Blacks are being held down so that Whites like you can get rich"
as opposed to a deficit that needs correcting, minorities that need a hand.



Leftist generalizations are often eye-rolls worthy.

While British Elite were wreaking havoc among colonies and oppressing poc,
their own people back home were living in horrible poverty and being treated like vermin.

Why should THEIR descendants apologize too?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Hey fuckwad, hate to tell you....but power-hungry assholes, are not always racist.
When it's about power....the pricks are equal opportunity.

Fuck....you are so stupid.

For the last time - power-hungry assholes, are not always racist is a true statement. And that fact is as meaningful to this situation as saying the sky is blue. So what..

The institutional racism in law enforcement is specifically about using racism to derive power. It is the basis of the Jim Crow laws and derived from the ill conceived wording in the 13th amendment.

Derek Chauvin didn't murder George Floyd because he was black, Derek Chauvin was able to murder George Floyd because he was black.

Can you even understand that distinction?

Actually don't answer that - just go fuck your mother.

 

[Conager]

False.

Gratuitous assertions are not arguments.

For the last time - power-hungry assholes, are not always racist is a true statement. And that fact is as meaningful to this situation as saying the sky is blue. So what..

The institutional racism in law enforcement is specifically about using racism to derive power. It is the basis of the Jim Crow laws and derived from the ill conceived wording in the 13th amendment.

Derek Chauvin didn't murder George Floyd because he was black, Derek Chauvin was able to murder George Floyd because he was black.

Can you even understand that distinction?

Actually don't answer that - just go fuck your mother.

He wasn't "able" to "murder" without consequences, now was he? Every cop is well aware that if a black man dies incident to arrest or within their custody he will likely be national news, regardless of the circumstances, and for sure if the black guy hasn't gotten off a couple of rounds. How, 8n 5hat environment do you maintain the fiction that cops feel empowered by thus alleged, unseen institutional racism that cannot even be seen in the statistics to "murde4" black people.

Cops, if inclined to "murder" are much more "able" to murder whites and in fact actually do in greater numbers, both in real terms and as a percentage of citizen contacts. In any interaction between a black man and a cop of any color, the cop has eighteen times the chance of being murdered in the exchange.

You asserting institutional racism that is not showing up in every study commissioned on the subject doesn't conjure it into existence, and your linkage to this imagined mechanism is specious at best. Your entire argument is "everyone knows" that institutional racism (that no one can actually find) exists and therefore it fostered the environment that led to cops being fired immediately and charged with homicide in record time, because reasons.

What institutional racism permits thousands of young black men to be "able" to murder other young black men annually, often without being caught?

You diving a cause and assigning a motive is evidence of nothing. It's called an unsupported, gratuitous assertion and you wrote all that like it is self-evidently, contrary to the actual evidence gathered on the subject.

Even if you manage to incite nationwide riots about something that you imagine exist that still doesn't mean that it does. No amount of protesters, peaceful or otherwise disputes the actual facts.

 

[Lazaran]

For the last time - power-hungry assholes, are not always racist is a true statement. And that fact is as meaningful to this situation as saying the sky is blue. So what..

The institutional racism in law enforcement is specifically about using racism to derive power. It is the basis of the Jim Crow laws and derived from the ill conceived wording in the 13th amendment.

Derek Chauvin didn't murder George Floyd because he was black, Derek Chauvin was able to murder George Floyd because he was black.

Can you even understand that distinction?

Actually don't answer that - just go fuck your mother.

I would have phrased that a bit differently. You should probably have said "Derek Chauvin felt entitled enough to kill George Floyd without fear of the consequences, because of the institutional racism that is pervasive in the justice system."

The crazy thing is, in a fucked up way Derek Chauvin was ultimately a victim of the very system that created him. After years of getting away with brutal behavior himself, and seeing other cops getting away with killing black men on the news, he then has Trump telling him to be rough on prisoners when they're handcuffed in police custody. Is it any wonder he felt untouchable??? That look he gave the camera when he was kneeling on George Floyds neck says it all.

Another poster was right when they said Derek Chauvin wasn't able to kill George Floyd without any consequences, but that doesn't mean he didn't THINK he would be able to kill George Floyd without any consequences idue to a system he believed would protect him no matter what. Institutional racism killed George Floyd, and is sending Derek Chauvin to prison for a long, long, time.

 

[Conager]

A) You have no idea what he thought.

B) You have no reason to believe he expected that Floyd would die

C) If he thought that Floyd was dying at that moment, while being filmed and he thought he could "get away" with it in today's environment where anti-police activists, Democrats, and the Democrat's compliant media outlets stand ready to denounce even well-justified after thorough investigation deaths in custody, he would have to be dumber than either you or BoreNextDoor.

 

[phrodeau]

A) You have no idea what he thought.

B) You have no reason to believe he expected that Floyd would die

C) If he thought that Floyd was dying at that moment, while being filmed and he thought he could "get away" with it in today's environment where anti-police activists, Democrats, and the Democrat's compliant media outlets stand ready to denounce even well-justified after thorough investigation deaths in custody, he would have to be dumber than either you or BoreNextDoor.

Floyd said that he couldn’t breathe up until 8:25, when he seemed to pass out. He said nothing further. Chauvin did not remove his knee until 8:28. Either he expected Floyd to die or he was as stupid as you.

 

[Lazaran]

Look, Lazaran, when one starts to dissect them, you make several good points.

I just don't like the accusatory, guilt-tripping tone of your statements.

You're phrasing it as a "White undeserved surplus", "Blacks are being held down so that Whites like you can get rich"
as opposed to a deficit that needs correcting, minorities that need a hand.



Leftist generalizations are often eye-rolls worthy.

While British Elite were wreaking havoc among colonies and oppressing poc,
their own people back home were living in horrible poverty and being treated like vermin.

Why should THEIR descendants apologize too?

I don't think anybody is asking for an apology..... They're asking for justice. I don't think reparations would work, due to a lot of money already being invested in social programs, but I do believe a program of grants for black communities in exchange for measurable reductions in crime and black on black shootings would be a start. Grants for ALL communities im exchange for measurable reductions in crime and violence would be a great start, and would be a way to start reallocating money away from policing and into rebuilding.

Much like systemic racism, systemic wealth is a legacy effect of :slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation.

Systemic wealth is also a legacy effect of discriminatory practices in education, housing, business, health care, and the military. Those practices continue to this day, and cannot be attributed to people's ancestors.

 

[Lazaran]

A) You have no idea what he thought.

B) You have no reason to believe he expected that Floyd would die

C) If he thought that Floyd was dying at that moment, while being filmed and he thought he could "get away" with it in today's environment where anti-police activists, Democrats, and the Democrat's compliant media outlets stand ready to denounce even well-justified after thorough investigation deaths in custody, he would have to be dumber than either you or BoreNextDoor.

He knelt on George Floyd neck for 9 minutes while he glaresd into the camera. He didn't care if George Floyd lived or died. He ignored George Floyds pleas for mercy and he ignored the pleas of the onlookers who were pointing out Mr. Floyd condition.. He sure didn't lact like he was worried about any consequences for his actions.

You're right though, I don't know exactly what Derek Chauvin was thinking, because I'm not a sociopath.

Maybe you could enlighten me.

 

[hogjack]

A) You have no idea what he thought.

B) You have no reason to believe he expected that Floyd would die

C) If he thought that Floyd was dying at that moment, while being filmed and he thought he could "get away" with it in today's environment where anti-police activists, Democrats, and the Democrat's compliant media outlets stand ready to denounce even well-justified after thorough investigation deaths in custody, he would have to be dumber than either you or BoreNextDoor.

I'd just give this one up.

There's plenty of Leftist Crap and Craziness to attack, demean, mock, debunk, and ridicule. Nancy Pelosi, the Island of CHAZ, and Gropey Joe still need attention, for example. Hollywood is attacking itself. Great fun.

Positioning anywhere near the "bad" cop with a long history of ugly is only necessary for a legal team (who will drink like fish to get through any trial) and family members who basically have that role by default. Maybe a close buddy or two will pop up, too. Maybe a priest or shaman.

You. You have a choice to refocus your energy on loony liberals (yes, redundant), incompetent mayors, and relentless presidential tweets.

 

[Conager]

The facts are bad enough for depraved indifference. A suspect in your custody is your responsibility. Signs of an obvious heart attack means you get an ambulance immediately.

Making up a different narrative, just because it was already written for any black guy that dies within any radius of at least one white cop is silly.

 

[cinnefille]

I would have phrased that a bit differently. You should probably have said "Derek Chauvin felt entitled enough to kill George Floyd without fear of the consequences, because of the institutional racism that is pervasive in the justice system."

The crazy thing is, in a fucked up way Derek Chauvin was ultimately a victim of the very system that created him. After years of getting away with brutal behavior himself, and seeing other cops getting away with killing black men on the news, he then has Trump telling him to be rough on prisoners when they're handcuffed in police custody. Is it any wonder he felt untouchable??? That look he gave the camera when he was kneeling on George Floyds neck says it all.

Another poster was right when they said Derek Chauvin wasn't able to kill George Floyd without any consequences, but that doesn't mean he didn't THINK he would be able to kill George Floyd without any consequences idue to a system he believed would protect him no matter what. Institutional racism killed George Floyd, and is sending Derek Chauvin to prison for a long, long, time.

You know one of the reasons why some of your guys' comments often fall on deaf years, as far as immigrants are concerned?

Of course individual attitudes vary, but most of my rellies and friends in the States said that,
while African immigrants and local Hispanic/ liberal White people were generally warm towards them, AA's were cold.

How can one atone for their 'Whiteness' and apologize to a community that seems to reject you?

 

[SpeareChucker]

I am a fifth generation white male United States citizen, and I know the statistics for outcomes in all institutionally influenced areas of society. Despite the rosy picture of progress you paint, the systemic racism leading to the disproportionately negative outcomes in employment, education, health condition, and adjudications , for black people has continued to disadvantage them to the point of being apartheid lite. The biggest problem is wealth disparity, with white people having on average 10 times the wealth of black people. Poverty leads to almost every other negative outcome in life. As long as people keep dismissing the wealth gap, there will continue to be conflict. Oddly enough, the pandemic putting people out of work may have opened some white people's eyes to the plight of black people, and made them more empathetic towards the black communities feelings about the George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery murders.

Fate works in mysterious ways.

There's only one way to cure the wealth gap (well two ways) Comrade.
It has nothing to do with Racism. If we were all a uniform gray and still
engaged in Capitalism, then there would be those who worked to gain
more and those who didn't (or couldn't, but that falls under charity and
we are very generous as a nation). The only way that you can make things
"fair" is a totalitarian system of redistribution and even in such systems,
the ambitious and greedy tend to get more of the takings in the distribution.
The beauty of a free society under the principles of Capitalism is that it is
not a static system. You look at who the wealthy are and yes, some of it
is family wealth, but the splashiest wealth is new wealth won by those who
bring us the goods and services that we want and desire; nobody 'forces'
us, at the point of a gun, to give them our money the way a 'fair' system does.
So much for the first way. The second cure for the wealth gap has been alluded
to already indirectly when I touched upon inherited wealth. There is nothing
so wont to redistribute the earned family wealth as the grandchildren who
lifted not one finger or created one drop of sweat in the accrual of wealth.
So, when it comes to social issues in a free society, wealth gap should never
be mentioned as a casual motivator. There are too many black entertainers
and athletes who immediately and easily put lie to such a (un)serious charge.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You know one of the reasons why some of your guys' comments often fall on deaf years, as far as immigrants are concerned?

Of course individual attitudes vary, but most of my rellies and friends in the States said that,
while African immigrants and local Hispanic/ liberal White people were generally warm towards them, AA's were cold.

How can one atone for their 'Whiteness' and apologize to a community that seems to reject you?

In the United States, black immigrants (even groups like Cubans)
have a profound difficulty in grasping the lament of the native
black population because of the opportunity afforded to
them to get ahead just by coming here.

It has become a generational legacy
fostered by white people who give lip-service
to the idea of equality in theory, but in practice treat minorities
with the soft bigotry of low expectations; without egalitarian whites, they cannot
advance based upon their own efforts, because as we keep preaching to them, the system
is systemically rigged against them, and yes, I agree it is, but not by those who want to oppress them
but by those who say they operate and act for them, in their best interest, because if they don't, who will?

It's sad that they see their wards as possessing somewhat
less than full human potential; i.e., as "less than human"
(or, for chipbutty - sun-human [sic]).

 

[Sean]

In the United States, black immigrants (even groups like Cubans)
have a profound difficulty in grasping the lament of the native
black population because of the opportunity afforded to
them to get ahead just by coming here.

You have to love the "slavery was good for those negroes!" argument.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You have to love the "slavery was good for those negroes!" argument.

There is a violent twisting of what I said,
the mark of an unserious rebuttal and
as such will merely be ignored...

 

[Sean]

There is a violent twisting of what I said,
the mark of an unserious rebuttal and
as such will merely be ignored...

Yeah, sorry for quoting your EXACT FUCKING WORDS at you.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I'm thinking that English may be your second language
and hate is your cradle language...

 

[SpeareChucker]

PS - I want to refer to post #144.



Sean is the perfect example of white people who make excuses for our black community.

They can't help it! They need me to speak for them!

It's SYSTEMIC!!! I tell you!

Genuflect!





It was the smug, smarmy English/Europeans who wiped out, in a genocide,
many of my maternal ancestors, displaced them and impoverished them
before dumping slaves on these shores and instituting the very
institutions, culture and traditions that they now smugly
lecture us about how we're to deal with the residue
of their stinky mess. Talk about hubris!

 

[Conager]

You have to love the "slavery was good for those negroes!" argument.

None of the black people he is referring to have ever been enslaved, dullard. Most are born after the civil rights act where they, as they should, were acknowledged to have all the rights and privileges of American citizenship, something I hope you are never given. All currently live in a country where any form of discrimination on the basis of race is explicitly illegal and all enjoy the protection of those rights through vigorous enforcement by buildings full of government bureaucrats and lawyers with unlimited budgets to litigate civilly or file criminal charges to enforce those rights.

His point about the current status of "negroes" as you so offensively refer to them far exceeds to potential they would have anywhere on the planet. Blacks that end up in the UK only do so because they were unable to get to Anerica as I am sure you realize through your own bitter envy.