Why have Republicans stopped bragging about the stock market?

[ishtat]

The Federal Reserve is printing $120 Billion in new money every month and using it to buy US government securities, and US companies are massively increasing their debt. In contrast, companies outside of the USA are tending to issue new equity to shareholders rather than take on more debt. Which is better?

At the moment stock buyers are not factoring in the risk of the extra debt burden and consequent massive increase in liquidity. The issue is, will they do so before or after November; when they do, it will be very ugly for the stockholders and the economy. It will happen, it is only a question of when.

Powell is stuck between a rock and a hard place - if he turns off the liquidity tap the market and economy will tank. And the government seems devoid of fresh ideas.

 

[HisArpy]

Well, I told you I'd get back to you after the market closed.

Today was an ouchie.

Looks as though it's going to be a rollercoaster for a while.

Yeah, that's an understatement. I had about a 5400 total reduction in Captial Gains once the mutual funds settled. I'm still up for the year, but dam! that hurt.

 

[HisArpy]

The Federal Reserve is printing $120 Billion in new money every month and using it to buy US government securities, and US companies are massively increasing their debt. In contrast, companies outside of the USA are tending to issue new equity to shareholders rather than take on more debt. Which is better?

At the moment stock buyers are not factoring in the risk of the extra debt burden and consequent massive increase in liquidity. The issue is, will they do so before or after November; when they do, it will be very ugly for the stockholders and the economy. It will happen, it is only a question of when.

Powell is stuck between a rock and a hard place - if he turns off the liquidity tap the market and economy will tank. And the government seems devoid of fresh ideas.

It's taken us decades to get here. And here is a result of continuous fiscal mismanagement and corruption from all parties regardless of country of origin or political ideology.

There is no way out short of bankrupting the entire world back to pre-stone-age levels.

 

[Pookie]

This is projectionist crap.

We don't shut down the economy over the flu or even cold season. We don't shut down the economy over any of the other respiratory ailments we suffer (like asthma).

So why this one? What's so special about CV19?

It's infectious? So is influenza.

It kills? So does influenza.

And here's the REAL kicker, remember when it was only supposed to be a 14 day quarantine? 4 months later and we're STILL being quarantined to some extent.

Why?

Answer: Because the Left can say it's all Trump's fault.

Because there is no preventive vaccination for Covid-19 like there are with the flu and pneumonia. Cold viruses have effective treatments of symptoms and rarely require hospitalization.

Also, asthma isn't contagious.

 

[Mal_Huevo]

This is projectionist crap.

We don't shut down the economy over the flu or even cold season. We don't shut down the economy over any of the other respiratory ailments we suffer (like asthma).

So why this one? What's so special about CV19?

It's infectious? So is influenza.

It kills? So does influenza.

And here's the REAL kicker, remember when it was only supposed to be a 14 day quarantine? 4 months later and we're STILL being quarantined to some extent.

Why?

Answer: Because the Left can say it's all Trump's fault.

So the whole planet is faking this just to make trump look bad?

You're a really dumb cat lady.

 

[coati]

Because there is no preventive vaccination for Covid-19 like there are with the flu and pneumonia. Cold viruses have effective treatments of symptoms and rarely require hospitalization.

Also, asthma isn't contagious.

If a market "expert" like Harpy can't understand the difference, I rest my case, counselor.

You'd think that 115,000 deaths (and growing) in four months would sink in, but the power of the cult leads to a serious case of denial.

 

[Pookie]

If a market "expert" like Harpy can't understand the difference, I rest my case, counselor.

You'd think that 115,000 deaths (and growing) in four months would sink in, but the power of the cult leads to a serious case of denial.

And that is with quarantines/shutdowns during much of that time. We're about to find out what the numbers can be without all of that. The early numbers are not looking good for those needing a hospital bed down the road.

The irony is that those likely to die from this are the boomers claiming it's all a hoax or overblown.

 

[Pookie]

And remember when all of this would calm down during the summer?

 

[coati]

And remember when all of this would calm down during the summer?

I remember when it was going to miraculously disappear by Easter, and we'd experience the "beautiful thing" of packing the churches on that holiest of days in tribute to the impeached President, er, I mean, Jeezus.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's taken us decades to get here. And here is a result of continuous fiscal mismanagement and corruption from all parties regardless of country of origin or political ideology.

There is no way out short of bankrupting the entire world back to pre-stone-age levels.

Don't go painting the world with one brush. When the crash hit in 2008, it was American Banks that went down first (CDO's ). Not one Canadian Bank came even close to failing, and it was the head of the Bank of Canada Mark Carney who came up with the fiscal plan that helped lead the world out of that mess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney

And if the CLO's are the cause of it this time, again that will be an American caused problem, don't go looking else where to level the blame.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This is projectionist crap.

We don't shut down the economy over the flu or even cold season. We don't shut down the economy over any of the other respiratory ailments we suffer (like asthma).

So why this one? What's so special about CV19?

It's infectious? So is influenza.

It kills? So does influenza.

Here ya go: Coronavirus Kills More Americans in One Month Than the Flu Kills in One Year

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So the whole planet is faking this just to make trump look bad?

Took the post right out of my keyboard....

 

[doowdniw]

Ad Hom and straw man argument should be here any minute.

 

[knottagain]

Here ya go: Coronavirus Kills More Americans in One Month Than the Flu Kills in One Year

one ISOLATED month...now do a moving average over time, KneeGrow. OK?

 

[knottagain]

this looks like a great idea to me

https://seekingalpha.com/article/43...bine-fusion-fuel-next-hydrogen-hype-in-making

Up .40 pre mkt



BTW, You fucking KneeGrowz were all quiet with the 50% upmove and now you come out!

I knew it was a BOTTOM.....Im up 8% with the stuff I bought yesterday when you KneeGrowz started screaming.....Im already sold a bunch...

Thx for the dough, KneeGrowz

 

[RobDownSouth]

one ISOLATED month...now do a moving average over time, KneeGrow. OK?

You betcha...there were 42,000 dead in one month (when that article was written. There are well over 100,000 dead from COVID now. Still averaging more deaths PER MONTH than entire flu season deaths PER YEAR.


Now tell us again how "it's just a flu".

 

[HisArpy]

Because there is no preventive vaccination for Covid-19 like there are with the flu and pneumonia. Cold viruses have effective treatments of symptoms and rarely require hospitalization.

Also, asthma isn't contagious.

This is all deflection.

The fact that it's contagious isn't sufficient reason to shut down the entire world's economy.

Take precautions, yes; but not to the extremes we went to and are STILL trying to implement.

The meme shows that wearing a mask IF YOU'RE SICK prevents transmission 95% of the time. I'm assuming that's correct and don't really care if it is or isn't because 5% or 4.8% or even 6% isn't the point. The point is that healthy people not wearing a mask aren't likely to get sick in most instances. In fact the data seems to indicate that it takes more than short casual exposure to transmit the virus. What that appears to say is that if you exercise discretion and don't go hugging everyone in sight for half an hour straight, you'll probably be fine.

Then there's the fact that if you're not sick, then there's ZERO risk of you transmitting the virus to someone else so there's no reason to wear a mask.

Yes, I know, you're going to raise the "but you could be asymptomatic" crap again. Somehow you're not getting the message that this is nothing more than YOUR PROJECTIONS ONTO OTHERS merely because they aren't wearing a mask. It's become some sort of reflex that if you see someone not wearing a mask, you ASSUME that they're "super spreaders" without ANY DATA AT ALL.

It's projection. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now let's talk about the "we have flu shots" thing. The flu shot is a "best guess" at which strain will be most active that season. It's not perfect and the drug companies make mistakes. Plus, even if you get the shot, there's no guarantee that you won't also catch the flu.

So even with the shot, it's still contagious and still deadly for a huge number of people. Yet we don't shut down the economy of the ENTIRE DAM WORLD over it.

Asthma isn't contagious but instances are on the rise. Where's the concern about the air pollution that appears to be causing it? It kills people so why haven't we shut down the world economy over it?

Then there's cancer which I didn't mention earlier. We shut down the world economy and devoted trillions of dollars toward trying to find a cure for CV19 which, hopefully, won't be around very long. But we can't do the same for cancer?

Why?

Is the big scary disease from China that terrifying? Really? How about looking up the statistics for your risk in getting cancer - notably it's somewhere around 45% for most people and increases to over 60% for men over 50. And there's NOT A DAM THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT if you're predisposed genetically.

Do we shut down the world economy for that? No. You know why not? Because it's not been hyped by the media into fear mongering talking points that are intended to make you so afraid that they can control your actions. They control YOU. As in making you wear a mask. That's called "ownership".

No one "owns" me. If you're good with being a slave, great. I hope you enjoy your chains.

 

[knottagain]

Because there is no preventive vaccination for Covid-19 like there are with the flu and pneumonia. Cold viruses have effective treatments of symptoms and rarely require hospitalization.

Also, asthma isn't contagious.

i know

lets keep everyone locked down till there is one

 

[Pookie]

This is all deflection.

The fact that it's contagious isn't sufficient reason to shut down the entire world's economy.

I agree. That's why the entire world's economy wasn't shut down. Not even close.

I didn't read any further. I don't care to get involved in your multiverse. You're no Spiderman.

 

[knottagain]

I agree. That's why the entire world's economy wasn't shut down. Not even close.

I didn't read any further. I don't care to get involved in your multiverse. You're no Spiderman.

^^^Not AXING questions....spewing SHIT

 

[HisArpy]

I agree. That's why the entire world's economy wasn't shut down. Not even close.

I didn't read any further. I don't care to get involved in your multiverse. You're no Spiderman.

^ this is why you flail and fail.

Seriously, you're so steeped in your dogma that you can't entertain the thought that maybe someone has an opposing viewpoint equally as valid as yours or even more so if backed by actual data. Yet, rather than embracing the debate and LEARNING SOMETHING, you walk away and pronounce the other guy lesser than human in an effort to justify YOUR FAILURE to yourself.

 

[Pookie]

^ this is why you flail and fail.

Seriously, you're so steeped in your dogma that you can't entertain the thought that maybe someone has an opposing viewpoint equally as valid as yours or even more so if backed by actual data. Yet, rather than embracing the debate and LEARNING SOMETHING, you walk away and pronounce the other guy lesser than human in an effort to justify YOUR FAILURE to yourself.

Dude, you rambled on about cancer in a discussion about a virus, and then said "this is nothing more than YOUR PROJECTIONS ONTO OTHERS". And you probably stayed up half the night writing out that gibberish. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Sheesh, dude. Go take a nap before you have a jaywalker plead guilty to money laundering in traffic court.

 

[Adre]

I agree. That's why the entire world's economy wasn't shut down. Not even close.

I didn't read any further. I don't care to get involved in your multiverse. You're no Spiderman.

Derpy conveniently ignores the tens of millions of people who worked through the lockdown period with no days off.

 

[Adre]

As if our entire economy were comprised of restaurants and nail salons.

 

[Pookie]

Derpy conveniently ignores the tens of millions of people who worked through the lockdown period with no days off.

Hell, I certainly hated the stay at home orders. But it did help! Stay at home orders in the right situations such as this virus help minimize those who get it and the impact on hospitals to be able to serve those that have gotten it.

Fuck, Bertie-Ann survived fake cancer by quarantining in his one bedroom apartment. You'd think the deplorables would be convinced of the logic for it from that alone!