Why you can't have nice things.

[Emerson40]

1. As a percentage of criminal activity they are under represented. In the interest of "fairness" more blacks should be shot by police. But I don't think you see that as a solution any more than I do. Fact; blacks represent 13% of the population but they commit over 50% of ALL felonies save one category, rape. What that means is that over 50% of ALL police interactions with a criminal are going to involve a black citizen. (source FBI UCR)

2. What makes you think we do? Last I checked congressional approval ratings were lower than that of a used car salesman.

Look at you, flying your Fredrick Hoffman flag.

Would you be able to indicate where, in the FBI UCR, you found your facts and figures (what year of data, what section, etc)?

As most of the data is submitted by police departments, I’d be interested to see what, if any, allowances made for the systematic racism in the system? Police discrimination and brutality? Prosecution and conviction rate differences between black citizens and white citizens?

As for the population percentages, it would be interesting to see how these numbers are representative of neighborhood and income, and what differences you may see there in prosecution and conviction rates.

Wow, isn't it great that you've managed to ask all those questions about stats that are freely available on the interwebz from the FBI and CDC?

And what's even greater is that you've managed to ask all those questions in a way that suggests that the data you've been given is wrong while simultaneously NOT KNOWING if it is or isn't because you don't have the stats you were asking about.

Unless you do have that information and are purposefully not providing it because it agrees with what was posted.

Isn't ignorance or deceitfulness amazing?

Unsurprisingly derpy, you’ve managed to stick your foot in your mouth again.

I looked up the FBI UCR before posting my questions - something you should consider doing more of btw, before opening your yap. Probably less egg on your face, derp - and the data tables I found (18 and over. Under 18) with stats by race was from 2016. The numbers there did not support the % of felonies vs % of population that Ishmael stated as ‘fact’ in his post.

Before just telling him his numbers were not accurate, and wanting to see if perhaps there was other data he was basing things on that I wasn’t seeing, I was asking him to clarify.

Judging by your knee-jerk response and his lack of one, it is probably pretty safe to assume his ‘fact’ probably isn’t very factual at all.

 

[Emerson40]

If you convince yourself you're "oppressed", you are, even though your doing it to yourself. It provides you with a convenient excuse not to take responsibility for your own actions and your own life. I've met people like that everywhere I've been and that syndrome is not race based. It's a state of mind.

I find it interesting that the children of black military careerists go on to become highly paid and well respected professionals. If racism is endemic to the society then that would never be allowed to happen. Is it something that sets those children, and their parents, aside other than the color of their skin? The answer is "Yes." Education, stable family, healthy environment. Being instilled with a sense that anything is achievable with the application of some effort. That is really the only things that set those children apart from those in the inner city. And the fact that they exist in fairly substantial numbers puts to lie the notion of systemic racism.

But back to the notion put forth by the poster you responded to. The black community has had the opportunity to vote in virtually every election anywhere in this nation since the '60's. Many cities are dominated by black voters, voters that can vote for any sort of administration they choose. Following through on the wiki page your linked for all of that to be true it has to be accepted that black administrators are purposely oppressing their own black population. Is that true? Actually it quite possibly is. Race baiting is a profitable business for those that know how to work it.

That is not to say that the article doesn't contain some truisms. But the issue is far more complex than what the author is trying to peddle. It further attempts of put the blame solely on one party and that just isn't the case.

These folks did take responsibility for their lives and actions:

I can go jogging (Amaud Arbery)

I can relax in the comfort of my own home (Bothem Sean and Atatiana Jefferson)

I can ask for help after being in a car crash (Jonathan Ferrell and Renisha McBride)

I can have a cellphone (Stephon Clark)

I can leave a party to get to safety (Jordan Edwards)

I can play loud music (Jordan Davis)

I can sell CDs (Alton Sterling)

I can sleep (Aiyana Jones)

I can walk from the corner store (Mike Brown)

I can play cops and robbers (Tamir Rice)

I can go to church (Charleston)

I can walk home with Skittles (Trayvon Martin)

I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (Sean Bell)

I can party on New Years (Oscar Grant)

I can get a normal traffic ticket (Sandra Bland)

I can lawfully carry a weapon (Philando Castile)

I can break down on a public road with car problems (Corey Jones)

I can shop at Walmart (John Crawford)

I can have a disabled vehicle (Terrence Crutcher)

I can read a book in my own car (Keith Scott)

I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (Clifford Glover)

I can decorate for a party (Claude Reese)

I can ask a cop a question (Randy Evans)

I can cash a check in peace (Yvonne Smallwood)

I can take out my wallet (Amadou Diallo)

I can run (Walter Scott)

I can breathe (Eric Garner)

I can go birding (Christian Cooper)

I can live (Freddie Gray)

I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED (George Floyd)



Take a moment to consider their experiences and ask yourself if racism is endemic to American society.

If you and yours experienced what their families have endured, and all you heard was the attitudes and things you said in your posts, in this thread, when would you decide enough was enough?

 

[Em_1]

These folks did take responsibility for their lives and actions:

I can go jogging (Amaud Arbery)

I can relax in the comfort of my own home (Bothem Sean and Atatiana Jefferson)

I can ask for help after being in a car crash (Jonathan Ferrell and Renisha McBride)

I can have a cellphone (Stephon Clark)

I can leave a party to get to safety (Jordan Edwards)

I can play loud music (Jordan Davis)

I can sell CDs (Alton Sterling)

I can sleep (Aiyana Jones)

I can walk from the corner store (Mike Brown)

I can play cops and robbers (Tamir Rice)

I can go to church (Charleston)

I can walk home with Skittles (Trayvon Martin)

I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (Sean Bell)

I can party on New Years (Oscar Grant)

I can get a normal traffic ticket (Sandra Bland)

I can lawfully carry a weapon (Philando Castile)

I can break down on a public road with car problems (Corey Jones)

I can shop at Walmart (John Crawford)

I can have a disabled vehicle (Terrence Crutcher)

I can read a book in my own car (Keith Scott)

I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (Clifford Glover)

I can decorate for a party (Claude Reese)

I can ask a cop a question (Randy Evans)

I can cash a check in peace (Yvonne Smallwood)

I can take out my wallet (Amadou Diallo)

I can run (Walter Scott)

I can breathe (Eric Garner)

I can go birding (Christian Cooper)

I can live (Freddie Gray)

I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED (George Floyd)



Take a moment to consider their experiences and ask yourself if racism is endemic to American society.

If you and yours experienced what their families have endured, and all you heard was the attitudes and things you said in your posts, in this thread, when would you decide enough was enough?

 

[cinnefille]

when Tony Timpa suffered the same fate at the hands of cops? Or Jose Durango? Or Hu Whan? Or Australian Justine Ruszczyk Damond who was also killed by a Minneapolis cop?

But those were White supremacist racists.

 

[bellisarius]

God, this is a bit tricky for you, isn't it ... I wish I could make a Venn diagramme for you. But try and imagine it in your head. 'Actual crime' is a big circle. Mostly inside that big circle (although with a sliver sitting outside the circle for false arrests/convictions) is a smaller circle - no one know how MUCH smaller - of arrests and convictions.
Any website worth it's salt would present the data in the smaller circle as reported crime, or prosecuted crime, or something like, not just 'crime'. It's pretty much impossible to know how much actual crime is going on. Not totally impossible, but near enough.

Now imagine the process that starts with someone engaging in a criminal activity and then finishes with someone in jail - imagine all the steps along that process. There's been actual research done that shows at almost every step along that process, the outcome for black person is statistically more likely to be negative than the outcome for a white person - not every time, and you'll be able to pull individual examples out of your arse to demonstrate that I'm 'wrong' - but the stats on this are pretty clear. (And no, I'm not linking to any actual research, because I gave up wasting my time providing support for my arguments in here a long time ago, when it became patently obvious that no one ever read, but instead just shifted gear to the next talking point.)

Not difficult for me at all. Then again I've combed through the data, read the caveats, etc. You might want to try it yourself.

FBI UCR

 

[SpeareChucker]

Whatever it takes to condone the violence...



We're dealing with real heroes of freedom!

We'll be so much freer with the whole damned
country simply burnt to the ground and
policed by roving mobs of justice...

What has perfectly peaceful protest ever produced?

 

[Bray123]

Whatever it takes to condone the violence...



What has perfectly peaceful protest ever produced?

The end of British rule in India.

 

[FlowersForFun]

Not difficult for me at all. Then again I've combed through the data, read the caveats, etc. You might want to try it yourself.

FBI UCR

But it's terrible for black people!!! They shouldn't have to follow the rules, like (D) billionaires shouldn't have to follow (D) regulations!!!

LOL.....BLue states/cities should just STOP ALL POLICING.

Let them just go nuts and kill each other off, Minneapolis wants to become Mogadishu for the sake of diversity? Awesome!!! I hope they show the world just how fucking retarded they are and DO IT.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The end of British rule in India.

Sorry, I did not play my sarcasm broadly enough...

 

[KimGordon67]

Not difficult for me at all. Then again I've combed through the data, read the caveats, etc. You might want to try it yourself.

FBI UCR

There's actually data on there on unreported crimes, including the ethnicity of the unapprehended criminals? If so, please just present it - why the fuck make me read through it all if you've already found it?

And there's also data demonstrating that all the research that demonstrates my second point is bollocks? Again, please show me what you've found.

 

[bellisarius]

There's actually data on there on unreported crimes, including the ethnicity of the unapprehended criminals? If so, please just present it - why the fuck make me read through it all if you've already found it?

And there's also data demonstrating that all the research that demonstrates my second point is bollocks? Again, please show me what you've found.

Uhhh, and just how would one go about compiling data on unreported crimes? A national survey maybe? By definition an unreported crime never officially took place.

 

[HisArpy]

There's actually data on there on unreported crimes, including the ethnicity of the unapprehended criminals? If so, please just present it - why the fuck make me read through it all if you've already found it?

And there's also data demonstrating that all the research that demonstrates my second point is bollocks? Again, please show me what you've found.

Isn't it up to YOU to dig for the information yourself? You know, do your own homework?

The world isn't going to spoon feed you anything because we're not your mom and you're not a baby.

Uhhh, and just how would one go about compiling data on unreported crimes? A national survey maybe? By definition an unreported crime never officially took place.

It IS an interesting conundrum, isn't it?

 

[Rightguide]

Whatever it takes to condone the violence...



We're dealing with real heroes of freedom!

We'll be so much freer with the whole damned
country simply burnt to the ground and
policed by roving mobs of justice...

What has perfectly peaceful protest ever produced?

In a few days we'll start hearing these Democrat leaders talking about coming together, binding up the wounds, healing society, Trump has to fix this. and no desire to send rioters to prison.

 

[SpeareChucker]

In a few days we'll start hearing these Democrat leaders talking about coming together, binding up the wounds, healing society, Trump has to fix this. and no desire to send rioters to prison.

That is the pattern.
Trump did nothing!
Trump acted too late!
Trump hates minorities!
Trump has to pay reparations!
Trump must treat this community with dignity!
Trump must deliver real justice to these victims of white hate!

 

[bestone4ever]

No one us "invoking your name" to respond about your insipid post in the very thread.

Poser.

Go riot, boy.

You don't even have to travel the Minneapolis; riots be breaking out all over the country. I'm sure you can find some sympatico brothers there in New York if you stick your head outta your gentrified walk-up. Find a couple of trash cans, throw it through a plate glass window. Do it for Floyd, even though his family says don't. Make a difference. Protest!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

"No one us"

"Travel the Minneapolis"

Smells like Queen Yappo got messy last night. Betcha he popped a good nut stroking to me eating tacos and drinking gin or whatever it is that gets him slaying goats to Priapus in his backyard.

https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxpj6grFIe1qcaomb.gif

 

[IrezumiKiss]

These folks did take responsibility for their lives and actions:

I can go jogging (Amaud Arbery)

I can relax in the comfort of my own home (Bothem Sean and Atatiana Jefferson)

I can ask for help after being in a car crash (Jonathan Ferrell and Renisha McBride)

I can have a cellphone (Stephon Clark)

I can leave a party to get to safety (Jordan Edwards)

I can play loud music (Jordan Davis)

I can sell CDs (Alton Sterling)

I can sleep (Aiyana Jones)

I can walk from the corner store (Mike Brown)

I can play cops and robbers (Tamir Rice)

I can go to church (Charleston)

I can walk home with Skittles (Trayvon Martin)

I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (Sean Bell)

I can party on New Years (Oscar Grant)

I can get a normal traffic ticket (Sandra Bland)

I can lawfully carry a weapon (Philando Castile)

I can break down on a public road with car problems (Corey Jones)

I can shop at Walmart (John Crawford)

I can have a disabled vehicle (Terrence Crutcher)

I can read a book in my own car (Keith Scott)

I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (Clifford Glover)

I can decorate for a party (Claude Reese)

I can ask a cop a question (Randy Evans)

I can cash a check in peace (Yvonne Smallwood)

I can take out my wallet (Amadou Diallo)

I can run (Walter Scott)

I can breathe (Eric Garner)

I can go birding (Christian Cooper)

I can live (Freddie Gray)

I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED (George Floyd)



Take a moment to consider their experiences and ask yourself if racism is endemic to American society.

If you and yours experienced what their families have endured, and all you heard was the attitudes and things you said in your posts, in this thread, when would you decide enough was enough?

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[SugarDaddy1]

These folks did take responsibility for their lives and actions:

I can go jogging (Amaud Arbery)

I can relax in the comfort of my own home (Bothem Sean and Atatiana Jefferson)

I can ask for help after being in a car crash (Jonathan Ferrell and Renisha McBride)

I can have a cellphone (Stephon Clark)

I can leave a party to get to safety (Jordan Edwards)

I can play loud music (Jordan Davis)

I can sell CDs (Alton Sterling)

I can sleep (Aiyana Jones)

I can walk from the corner store (Mike Brown)

I can play cops and robbers (Tamir Rice)

I can go to church (Charleston)

I can walk home with Skittles (Trayvon Martin)

I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (Sean Bell)

I can party on New Years (Oscar Grant)

I can get a normal traffic ticket (Sandra Bland)

I can lawfully carry a weapon (Philando Castile)

I can break down on a public road with car problems (Corey Jones)

I can shop at Walmart (John Crawford)

I can have a disabled vehicle (Terrence Crutcher)

I can read a book in my own car (Keith Scott)

I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (Clifford Glover)

I can decorate for a party (Claude Reese)

I can ask a cop a question (Randy Evans)

I can cash a check in peace (Yvonne Smallwood)

I can take out my wallet (Amadou Diallo)

I can run (Walter Scott)

I can breathe (Eric Garner)

I can go birding (Christian Cooper)

I can live (Freddie Gray)

I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED (George Floyd)



Take a moment to consider their experiences and ask yourself if racism is endemic to American society.

If you and yours experienced what their families have endured, and all you heard was the attitudes and things you said in your posts, in this thread, when would you decide enough was enough?

Thanks for self-identifying as a plagiarist, Emerson40.

THINGS I CAN DO BECAUSE I AM WHITE

 

[bestone4ever]

Thanks for self-identifying as a plagiarist, Emerson40.

THINGS I CAN DO BECAUSE I AM WHITE

And that's what you took from that post, miles.

 

[FlowersForFun]

And that's what you took from that post, miles.

What else is there?

The whole thing is demonstrably false at best and a total lie at worst.

 

[bestone4ever]

What else is there?

The whole thing is demonstrably false at best and a total lie at worst.

Where are the "lies", liar?

 

[FlowersForFun]

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Yes zumi supports lies to degrade race relations.

Because fee fees.

Why do you want to incite a race war with white people Zumi?

 

[hogjack]

Is there a looting and rioting schedule available?

I totally missed the Louis Vuitton break in!

 

[FlowersForFun]

Where are the "lies", liar?

Every single thing on that list is a lie.

Not a single one of those things is exclusive to white people.

The vast vast VAST majority of POC enjoy those things as well.

 

[bestone4ever]

Every single thing on that list is a lie.

Not a single one of those things is exclusive to white people.

The vast vast VAST majority of POC enjoy those things as well.

Admitting that you have no concept of what lying means is a good first step. Congrats!