Why you can't have nice things.

[SugarDaddy1]

Target closes 6 Twin Cities stores

“We are heartbroken by the death of George Floyd and the pain it is causing our community,” Target said in a statement. “At this time, we have made the decision to close a number of our stores until further notice. Our focus will remain on our team members’ safety and helping our community heal.”

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[hogjack]

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Good decision. The city does not protect retailers.

 

[Mal_Huevo]

ha hah ha!!!

Let the motherfucker burn!

 

[cinnefille]

Here's the thing.

Time after time in the past when those who are outraged and ready to riot were told to calm down and that "the whole country wants justice" and to just "let the system work"...

...the system didn't. Trust is eroded to the point of being non existant.

While I agree that pandemonium ain't a solution, I fully understand those who are too disillusioned to meekly hold back the rage.

I think that you're giving undeserved excuses to people who are jail material.
They didn't loot and destroy property to express their anger over the killing, they did it either because they have impulse control problems, or they took advantage of the opportunity, to steal.

It happened with the Yellow Vest protests too, in France.
I think that when temperatures are high, antisocial elements take advantage or become unhinged.

I don't know what the solution is with such protests.
People need to express their anger and outrage, to chant slogans and shout.
But how do you screen out the 0.1%, the antisocials who sabotage most spontaneous social movements?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

So the communities did not vote in the Left mayor and city council?

Minneapolis' city council is completely controlled by the Democrat-Farmer-Labor (DFL) party. The communities consistently vote in very left council members who aren't responsive?

Minneapolis' mayor is very left, too. Voted in by "the communities."

So, apparently "the communities" are voting left but not getting service. One way to change it might be - this is wild, I know! - voting in a different direction. Instead - just like Chicago - they'll continue to vote the same way and get the same results.

Duh.

Funny, I've been on the market looking for a paradise in contemporary America that's led by the Right.

Yer pretty internet savvy, maybe you can help me? It has to exist, yes? The Right has been talking so much shit about how The Left has been fucking things up with slipshod, ramshackle operations over generations that I can't ever see them making the same past mistakes that can't be learned from in order to make life better for everyone.

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[HisArpy]

allegedly

Now you make somewhat the same error as the triggered and outraged:

Trial by video. Fuck the investigation, screw the trial, jury?

Hang 'Em High

And as I pointed out, that community has a fully representational
government that is in charge of their police force.
Let them sort it out first.

No I'm not.

The video shows what happened. There are no extenuating circumstances that allow a peace officer to kill someone already in custody. Even in a case of civil unrest where the officer's safety is involved, there is no justification for the death of someone already in handcuff's and proned out. They can back off and let the arrestee lay there if they're in danger. Even if he's hauled away, they know who he is and can catch him again.

Instead, what the officer did was apply a "new version" of an illegal choke hold. He can "say" he didn't, but that's just semantics trying to shift the narrative by saying "it wasn't a choke hold it was a knee hold and that isn't the same thing". A choke hold by any other name, or by using any other body part, is still a choke hold.

The other cop could have, SHOULD HAVE, checked on the welfare of the arrestee when the crowd started yelling about him not being able to breathe. A glance would have been sufficient to see that there was a problem and getting that taken care of would have calmed the crowd.

It was murder because it wasn't "accidental" or from "negligence". The cop with the knee hold KNEW what he was doing and KNEW what the result would be. Intent follows the facts, it wasn't "accidental" or "negligent" it was intentionally done.

The video merely provides the facts, the conclusion is the result of seeing the facts and applying logic.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Sorry, I do not have all day, day after day, to post on the inter web. Nor do I take the time to pour over my posts before I hit submit. Feel free to attack my typos some more while ignoring the content. I could quote several supporting posts from your bro patrol denouncing grammar nazis, but I won’t take the time to do that either.

Inter web



I guess not.
You are proud of posting hasty crap?

 

[Rightguide]

They still looted and destroyed property, Ish. Not just one time, either. And not everybody was on their side or all good with acting out.

Funny how riots, rebellions and revolutions against injustice all start out and smell similar but only certain ones are selected for virtue.

This one was started by BLM and revolutionary communists as was the one occurring simultaneously in L.A. It's always the same people. The most aggrieved party, his parents, are horrified by the violence taking place.

Instead of charging the cop with murder and letting the wheels of justice put him away for the rest of his life, people use the issue as a means to tear down society, burn down private property owned by people who have nothing to do with Floyd's death. It's always the same old thing. It solves nothing. It fans the flames of hate. It divides the nation. It continues despite all of the progress made by this country in race relations and it's perpetrated by the same radicals of the left who do not want racial harmony, who will always hate, and provoke revolution.

 

[SpeareChucker]

However you may see it and whatever conclusion you have drawn,
we are still a nation of law and the presumption of innocence.

As busybody pointed out*, there has been
more than one public conviction by video
that has not held up in court which is why
our Founders did not adopt Napoleonic law
opting instead for English jurisprudence.

To be a just people, we must use due process to pronounce guilt.
I say this not to argue one way or another for the officers
but to issue caution in the rush to judgement...

At this point, I would not want you on my jury.



I mean that is a polite way too.

 

[Adre]

allegedly

Trial by video.

So now an authentic contemporaneous video featuring the act is not sufficient evidence.

 

[akatrex]

#ThosePeople tried taking a knee peacefully.....and the RWCJ didn't like that either.

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Both Chia Pet Kapernik and the soon to be incarcerated Minneapolis Police officers are IDIOTS!

Interestingly Senator Amy Klobuchar as a former Prosecutor refused to charge Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin in a previous Police Brutality Complaint.

 

[cinnefille]

This one was started by BLM and revolutionary communists as was the one occurring simultaneously in L.A. It's always the same people. The most aggrieved party, his parents, are horrified by the violence taking place.

Instead of charging the cop with murder and letting the wheels of justice put him away for the rest of his life, people use the issue as a means to tear down society, burn down private property owned by people who have nothing to do with Floyd's death. It's always the same old thing. It solves nothing. It fans the flames of hate. It divides the nation. It continues despite all of the progress made by this country in race relations and it's perpetrated by the same radicals of the left who do not want racial harmony, who will always hate, and provoke revolution.

I have a different position on this.

We need mass protests.
Had the French gone through the legal side instead of the Yellow Vest Protests, most people Worldwide wouldn't have been made aware of the problems.
And mass protests put pressure on lazy politicians.

some people use the issue as a means to tear down society, burn down private property owned by people who have nothing to do with Floyd's death.

It's always the same old thing. It solves nothing. It fans the flames of hate. It divides the nation. It continues despite all of the progress made by this country in race relations and it's perpetrated by the same radicals of the left who do not want racial harmony, who will always hate, and provoke revolution.

yes, that's the conundrum: how do you weed out those antisocial elements?

 

[Rightguide]

No I'm not.

The video shows what happened. There are no extenuating circumstances that allow a peace officer to kill someone already in custody. Even in a case of civil unrest where the officer's safety is involved, there is no justification for the death of someone already in handcuff's and proned out. They can back off and let the arrestee lay there if they're in danger. Even if he's hauled away, they know who he is and can catch him again.

Instead, what the officer did was apply a "new version" of an illegal choke hold. He can "say" he didn't, but that's just semantics trying to shift the narrative by saying "it wasn't a choke hold it was a knee hold and that isn't the same thing". A choke hold by any other name, or by using any other body part, is still a choke hold.

The other cop could have, SHOULD HAVE, checked on the welfare of the arrestee when the crowd started yelling about him not being able to breathe. A glance would have been sufficient to see that there was a problem and getting that taken care of would have calmed the crowd.

It was murder because it wasn't "accidental" or from "negligence". The cop with the knee hold KNEW what he was doing and KNEW what the result would be. Intent follows the facts, it wasn't "accidental" or "negligent" it was intentionally done.

The video merely provides the facts, the conclusion is the result of seeing the facts and applying logic.

Absent resistance, the fight is over when the handcuffs go on. This officer murdered Mr. Floyd, pure and simple. Those who stood by and let him do it are accessories to his crime. Watch that cop's right foot in that video, it's moving around. That tells me all of his weight in on his left knee. He's going to go down for this and right fully so. The taxpayers of his state are going to pay dearly for the actions of this officer and every other police department in the country are going to be harmed by it.

These Democrat states and cities, my own included, have made it possible for just about anyone to become a police officer. The standards need to be raised. Every major police department in the country has it's five percent of bad officers, and everyone knows who they are, but the unspoken rule of "snitches get stitches" prevents them being properly weeded out and fired, and the police unions are no help either, they protect the sons of bitches. For instance, at least two criminal gangs have been exposed in the sworn ranks of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. The story has been around years and nobody talks about.

 

[hogjack]

Funny, I've been on the market looking for a paradise in contemporary America that's led by the Right.

There are no paradises. But if one party is failing a city and communities (i.e. not responding as you describe) that party should be replaced. Or at least it should be challenged. It's common sense.

Otherwise, quit bitching. The communities are the problem if they won't try a different approach represented by a different political party. Vote in different leadership.

For example, Chicago has had one political party in control for decades. They get literally thousands of gang-related deaths (men, women, and children) but won't try something different. The citizens get what they vote in. Stop blaming others.

 

[HisArpy]

However you may see it and whatever conclusion you have drawn,
we are still a nation of law and the presumption of innocence.

As busybody pointed out*, there has been
more than one public conviction by video
that has not held up in court which is why
our Founders did not adopt Napoleonic law
opting instead for English jurisprudence.

To be a just people, we must use due process to pronounce guilt.
I say this not to argue one way or another for the officers
but to issue caution in the rush to judgement...

At this point, I would not want you on my jury.



I mean that is a polite way too.

I understand what you're saying. However, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

Street justice isn't "rule of law", not even when it's done by the police. However, when you see street justice caught in the act, then there's really no other possible outcome EXCEPT to stop it and put those so caught on trial in a court of law.

The courtroom is where the evidence comes out to show what happened and a defense is presented. At that point it's up to the jury.

In this case, show me the facts that justify holding a handcuffed man down with a knee on his neck. SHOW ME where you can kill someone already in restraints in the name of "officer safety". SHOW ME ANY FACTS THAT JUSTIFY IT AT ANY TIME DURING WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO!

I'll save you the trouble of looking and researching - there are no circumstances outside of war that allow anyone to kill another person for any reason EXCEPT in defense of self or others. Not even while effecting an arrest if the arrestee isn't endangering anyone even if resisting arrest.

That's the law. I stand for the law. I promote law over violence. I am outraged by what happened because it was not law, it was lawlessness by those sworn to uphold the law.

 

[Rightguide]

I have a different position on this.

We need mass protests.
Had the French gone through the legal side instead of the Yellow Vest Protests, most people Worldwide wouldn't have been made aware of the problems.
And mass protests put pressure on lazy politicians.



yes, that's the conundrum: how do you weed out those antisocial elements?

We don't need what amounts to fucking insurrection. We have to respect the law and apply the law equally, that's all we need.

 

[hogjack]

The Right has been talking so much shit about how The Left has been fucking things up

You are the one complaining communities are not being listened to. Whine, whine, whine and bitch. But keep voting in the same leftists who get nothing done but enrich themselves and their colleagues. That's a great approach!

Minneapolis' citizens could look for different solutions to the problems as you describe them. Are there no leaders who have different ideas than the current crop of unresponsive city council members? No? There probably are but you would never even consider it.

Quit looking for the rest of the world to rush in and fix things. "The communities" voted in the leadership. They get what they get.

 

[akatrex]

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I Love This >>> Young Black men defending their businesses from the THUGS Looters and Arsonists!


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[icanhelp1]

However you may see it and whatever conclusion you have drawn,
we are still a nation of law and the presumption of innocence.

As busybody pointed out*, there has been
more than one public conviction by video
that has not held up in court which is why
our Founders did not adopt Napoleonic law
opting instead for English jurisprudence.

To be a just people, we must use due process to pronounce guilt.
I say this not to argue one way or another for the officers
but to issue caution in the rush to judgement...

At this point, I would not want you on my jury.



I mean that is a polite way too.

100% correct! To eliminate due process following judicial precedent and prudence you will eventually lose your police force. Why would a citizen take the job if he doesn't have our laws as a backdrop.

 

[phrodeau]

There are no paradises. But if one party is failing a city and communities (i.e. not responding as you describe) that party should be replaced. Or at least it should be challenged. It's common sense.

Otherwise, quit bitching. The communities are the problem if they won't try a different approach represented by a different political party. Vote in different leadership.

For example, Chicago has had one political party in control for decades. They get literally thousands of gang-related deaths (men, women, and children) but won't try something different. The citizens get what they vote in. Stop blaming others.

I agree. The party failing our country should be replaced.

 

[bellisarius]

I have a different position on this.

We need mass protests.
Had the French gone through the legal side instead of the Yellow Vest Protests, most people Worldwide wouldn't have been made aware of the problems.
And mass protests put pressure on lazy politicians.



yes, that's the conundrum: how do you weed out those antisocial elements?

I'm afraid you missed the point. The protests worked, the drew the attention of the national media to Floyd's case.

Now the news is all about the riots, arson, destruction, and personal injuries. Floyd's name is mentioned almost as an after thought. They destroyed that which they were trying to draw attention to. Now to a great many people it's just another senseless riot in the black community. Yawn.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

There are no paradises. But if one party is failing a city and communities (i.e. not responding as you describe) that party should be replaced. Or at least it should be challenged. It's common sense.

Otherwise, quit bitching. The communities are the problem if they won't try a different approach represented by a different political party. Vote in different leadership.

For example, Chicago has had one political party in control for decades. They get literally thousands of gang-related deaths (men, women, and children) but won't try something different. The citizens get what they vote in. Stop blaming others.

You are the one complaining communities are not being listened to. Whine, whine, whine and bitch. But keep voting in the same leftists who get nothing done but enrich themselves and their colleagues. That's a great approach!

Minneapolis' citizens could look for different solutions to the problems as you describe them. Are there no leaders who have different ideas than the current crop of unresponsive city council members? No? There probably are but you would never even consider it.

Quit looking for the rest of the world to rush in and fix things. "The communities" voted in the leadership. They get what they get.

Two replies to the same post within seven minutes.

Must've touched a nerve there, Hoggy ol' pal!

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[hogjack]

I agree. The party failing our country should be replaced.

That's why there are elections.

The citizens of Minneapolis apparently don't understand how the whole thing works. Or, at least, many do not understand.

 

[hogjack]

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Must've touched a nerve there, Hoggy ol' pal!

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Not really. Just watching a city burn itself down like everyone else. Not very cool. Apparently that touched your nerve. You bitch. And bitch. Shut the fuck up. Those who care will fix things. As usual. You keep that rocking chair occupied.

I got nothing but blue skies, green grass, intact buildings, and great retail options all around me.

All good!

 

[bestone4ever]

I got nothing but blue skies, green grass, intact buildings, and great retail options all around me.

And you're still a miserable piece of shit.