Why you can't have nice things.

[bellisarius]

Oh, but it isn't.

You don't get to decide that a bunch of white people doing redface in order to loot and destroy property because their grievances over their citizenry go unheard is magically more noble and justified than when (mostly) Black (and other POC) Americans do it for the same reasons. It is in fact the exact same thing, but because your colonizing ancestors and/or skinfolk got first dibs on writing this country's history, we got to be indoctrinated from the ground up believing that some tea trashing thugs were the epitome of revolutionaries.

Now, to be fair, you don't actually give a fuck about these situations when they happen and they give you an easy platform in an online safe space to park pale pimpled ass and yap like you know everything with all the answers, but let's say for a Fantasy Island minute that you did give a fuck about these situations...then you'd actually go to other spaces where the people who are directly affected by the social circumstances that cause these situations to occur talk about them (which they've been doing for ages)...and then you would listen to them.

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but we're not going to entertain that fantasy. You can go back to your gun range and visualize shooting "cockroaches" coming across the border illegally while waiting for your Friday Fed Friends breakfast club to resume get-togethers at Denny's without wearing blue surgical masks. There's no reason for you to stress over this, buddy. Just relax in the cushiony comfort bubble of your whiteness! If I were you, I would!

Oh but it is. Know your history. The tea went in the harbor due to taxes imposed on the tea by the owners of the tea who were mostly members of parliament, or friends thereof. Taxes that only applied to the colonies in an effort for said parliamentarians and influencer's to avoid paying for a war they wage by proxy in the colonies. A war that eventually escalated into the 7 years war. The colonists had no means of redress through courts or parliament.

That is NOT the case here.

 

[Liar]

Why does rioting, looting, arson, and public harm always happen in black communities? The whole country saw the videos and is outraged, and yet, rather than let the justice system work they burn their cities down. The whole country wants justice so what does ruining your city accomplish. Why pile on more pain? Letting outsiders run the narrative and allow them agitators to take over the community and bring destruction. The AA community needs to isolates these derelicts and send them packing, they don't give two craps for you or your community. They are anti-american anarchist.

Here's the thing.

Time after time in the past when those who are outraged and ready to riot were told to calm down and that "the whole country wants justice" and to just "let the system work"...

...the system didn't. Trust is eroded to the point of being non existant.

While I agree that pandemonium ain't a solution, I fully understand those who are too disillusioned to meekly hold back the rage.

 

[bellisarius]

And you folks MUST realize that by trying to make excuses for such behavior you're encouraging more of the same.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I watched the video's of the George Floyd incident and from my perspective the community has every right to be outraged. Protests and demonstrations are certainly called for in this instance.

When those protests cross the line into rioting, looting, arson, and personal injury a line has been crossed. Those acts are as uncalled for as the treatment of Floyd that led to his death. Unfotunately we see this behavior time after time. These riots are not a "one of" event, they have become the order of the day. And unfortunately this has become the face of the American black community. This is seen as typical behavior which leads to stereotyping. I know that the entire black community isn't involved in these behaviors and that it's unfair to paint the entire community with that broad brush, but when that behavior is exhibited time after time after time the community had better realize that that has become the "face of the community."

The effected business establishments are going to pack up the vans with the remaining stock and throw the keys in the door as they turn out the lights and leave, never to return. The community will be left to clean up the wreckage with little hope of a brighter future. Those in the black community that didn't participate but sympathized with the rioters are just as guilty. And those that disagreed but did nothing are part of the problem too. As atrocious as the action of those police officers were there is nothing that can justify the destruction of property and the perpetration of personal injury of businesses and individuals that had nothing to do with those police actions.

Nor can the excuse of those acts being perpetrated by outside agitators be allowed. The community could have stopped those people had they really wanted to, obviously they didn't. Until such time that the black community comes together and stops these behaviors they will continue.

And that's why the black community will never have nice things.

When the reaction to peaceful protest is ridicule, blackisting and scorn not to mention the failure to correct the underlying issue or criminally prosecute those that abuse their law enforcement powers, it leaves few alternatives.

Maybe the next time someone kneels to remind us that there is not equal protection under the law, you'll react differently.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Here's the thing.

Time after time in the past when those who are outraged and ready to riot were told to calm down and that "the whole country wants justice" and to just "let the system work"...

...the system didn't. Trust is eroded to the point of being non existant.

While I agree that pandemonium ain't a solution, I fully understand those who are too disillusioned to meekly hold back the rage.

This is a state where the elections were locked up and the big cities
are run by the Democrat Party, the party of minorities and
fighting oppression. This should be one of the most
liberated of states because it is so solidly Blue.
The cities doubly so.

This isn't the problem of the whole country,
this is the problem of those who claim
to understand it and can solve it.

What's the excuse?
Too few decades?
Too little cash?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Oh but it is. Know your history. The tea went in the harbor due to taxes imposed on the tea by the owners of the tea who were mostly members of parliament, or friends thereof. Taxes that only applied to the colonies in an effort for said parliamentarians and influencer's to avoid paying for a war they wage by proxy in the colonies. A war that eventually escalated into the 7 years war. The colonists had no means of redress through courts or parliament.

That is NOT the case here.

They still looted and destroyed property, Ish. Not just one time, either. And not everybody was on their side or all good with acting out.

Funny how riots, rebellions and revolutions against injustice all start out and smell similar but only certain ones are selected for virtue.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Too many white Progressives?

 

[Liar]

This is a state where the elections were locked up and the big cities
are run by the Democrat Party, the party of minorities and
fighting oppression. This should be one of the most
liberated of states because it is so solidly Blue.
The cities doubly so.

This isn't the problem of the whole country,
this is the problem of those who claim
to understand it and can solve it.

What's the excuse?
Too few decades?
Too little cash?

Did I say it was this or that political party's fault?

 

[SpeareChucker]

When the reaction to peaceful protest is ridicule, blackisting and scorn not to mention the failure to correct the underlying issue or criminally prosecute those that abuse their law enforcement powers, it leaves few alternatives.

Maybe the next time someone kneels to remind us that there is not equal protection under the law, you'll react differently.

Burn your crib in solidarity then.
Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
This locality has the politically-correct virtue-signaling government
that they desired, all provided by free, orderly and peaceful elections.

If they don't like the results of what they voted for,
maybe instead of destroying their community,
they should rethink their voting patterns;
stop being Party wards...

 

[SpeareChucker]

Did I say it was this or that political party's fault?

Time after time in the past when those who are outraged and ready to riot were told to calm down and that "the whole country wants justice" and to just "let the system work"...

Who told them this?
Can you put a name to this scarecrow?

Did they not elect the current system that just happens to be Democrat?

 

[bellisarius]

They still looted and destroyed property, Ish. Not just one time, either. And not everybody was on their side or all good with acting out.

Funny how riots, rebellions and revolutions against injustice all start out and smell similar but only certain ones are selected for virtue.

Destroyed the tea? Yes they did. But they didn't loot. They didn't take the tea home to enjoy themselves or sell at a discount to their neighbors.

But yet you still avoid the point that the colonists had no means of redress, the community in question does.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Destroyed the tea? Yes they did. But they didn't loot. They didn't take the tea home to enjoy themselves or sell at a discount to their neighbors.

But yet you still avoid the point that the colonists had no means of redress, the community in question does.

The white colonists could have simply avoided paying the tax by not buying the tea.

Sorry, Ish, this time as always, you're on the side of the incredibly racist.

 

[Liar]

Who told them this?
Can you put a name to this scarecrow?

Did they not elect the current system that just happens to be Democrat?

The poster I replied to for starters.

Again, why do you pretend that I absolve Democrats of blame?

 

[HisArpy]

And you folks MUST realize that by trying to make excuses for such behavior you're encouraging more of the same.

They can't because they're sympathetic towards the temper tantrum being thrown.

The cop murdered that guy. It was caught on camera in full public view while at least 1 other officer looked on and did nothing.

That's a problem. That's THE problem. Autozone, Target, and the other small time shops and stores aren't any part of the problem. A public demonstration is fine. Even public protest is fine as long as it's against those who allow bad actors to continue to prowl our streets looking for victims.

The riots are going to lead nowhere because they aren't "protest" in any form, they're a temper tantrum.

You want real change? Vote the bums out this November and install an entirely new crop of "leaders" and be sure that they know THEY will be held accountable if it ever happens again. Because playing "political musical chairs" while giving a pass to those who promise the moon & stars, but who consistently fail to deliver, will change nothing.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The poster I replied to for starters.

Again, why do you pretend that I absolve Democrats of blame?

We are talking at cross-purpose and you seem to be defensive,
so just go ahead and have a great day.

 

[SpeareChucker]

They can't because they're sympathetic towards the temper tantrum being thrown.

The cop murdered that guy. It was caught on camera in full public view while at least 1 other officer looked on and did nothing.

That's a problem. That's THE problem. Autozone, Target, and the other small time shops and stores aren't any part of the problem. A public demonstration is fine. Even public protest is fine as long as it's against those who allow bad actors to continue to prowl our streets looking for victims.

The riots are going to lead nowhere because they aren't "protest" in any form, they're a temper tantrum.

You want real change? Vote the bums out this November and install an entirely new crop of "leaders" and be sure that they know THEY will be held accountable if it ever happens again. Because playing "political musical chairs" while giving a pass to those who promise the moon & stars, but who consistently fail to deliver, will change nothing.

allegedly

Now you make somewhat the same error as the triggered and outraged:

Trial by video. Fuck the investigation, screw the trial, jury?

Hang 'Em High

And as I pointed out, that community has a fully representational
government that is in charge of their police force.
Let them sort it out first.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Destroyed the tea? Yes they did. But they didn't loot. They didn't take the tea home to enjoy themselves or sell at a discount to their neighbors.

How do you know they didn't loot? How do you know they didn't stuff a bunch of leaves in a knapsack to take home and enjoy themselves at no cost? You think they itemized all their actions for the sake of posterity?

Do you honestly believe everyone involved in that act had pure motivations and were clean as the driven snow? They didn't even have the balls to do it in their own skin.

But yet you still avoid the point that the colonists had no means of redress, the community in question does.

I didn't avoid it. It is in fact the entire point of what protests that are pressurized into "riots" entails. The communities that speak up and act out have long-time concerns and grievances that aren't being heard. It never just happens out of thin air.

You aren't a part of those communities and while you may sympathize with them to a degree you will never understand being pushed to the brink because you are seen and always have been seen as being less than from birth on up by the hegemony.

But I don't expect someone who can glibly refer to their meal like this:

My Hispanic racist dinner is just 13 min. away from being served. I'm really looking forward to this one.

as someone who gets it. Really don't, my guy. It's always a joke to y'all.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Why does rioting, looting, arson, and public harm always happen in black communities? The whole country saw the videos and is outraged, and yet, rather than let the justice system work they burn their cities down. The whole country wants justice so what does ruining your city accomplish. Why pile on more pain? Letting outsiders run the narrative and allow them agitators to take over the community and bring destruction. The AA community needs to isolates these derelicts and send them packing, they don't give two craps for you or your community. They are anti-american anarchist.

It doesn’t always happen in black neighborhoods, and it is not all black people. Lotting happened across the Twin Cities and our into the suburbs.


Here you go chucker someone calling for folks to wait for justice.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Why does rioting, looting, arson, and public harm always happen in black communities? The whole country saw the videos and is outraged, and yet, rather than let the justice system work they burn their cities down. The whole country wants justice so what does ruining your city accomplish. Why pile on more pain? Letting outsiders run the narrative and allow them agitators to take over the community and bring destruction. The AA community needs to isolates these derelicts and send them packing, they don't give two craps for you or your community. They are anti-american anarchist.

The poster I replied to for starters.

Again, why do you pretend that I absolve Democrats of blame?

Chucker can’t see that with his blinders on.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It doesn’t always happen in black neighborhoods, and it is not all black people. Lotting happened across the Twin Cities and our into the suburbs.


Here you go chucker someone calling for folks to wait for justice.

Where did you go to study grammar?

Reform school?

Syria?

 

[hogjack]

Autozone, Target, and the other small time shops and stores aren't any part of the problem. .

No. But they are part of the solution for free consumer electronics, household goods, and automobile parts and accessories.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Where did you go to study grammar?

Reform school?

Syria?

Sorry, I do not have all day, day after day, to post on the inter web. Nor do I take the time to pour over my posts before I hit submit. Feel free to attack my typos some more while ignoring the content. I could quote several supporting posts from your bro patrol denouncing grammar nazis, but I won’t take the time to do that either.

 

[hogjack]

The communities that speak up and act out have long-time concerns and grievances that aren't being heard. It never just happens out of thin air.

So the communities did not vote in the Left mayor and city council?

Minneapolis' city council is completely controlled by the Democrat-Farmer-Labor (DFL) party. The communities consistently vote in very left council members who aren't responsive?

Minneapolis' mayor is very left, too. Voted in by "the communities."

So, apparently "the communities" are voting left but not getting service. One way to change it might be - this is wild, I know! - voting in a different direction. Instead - just like Chicago - they'll continue to vote the same way and get the same results.

Duh.

 

[Rightguide]

Chucker can’t see that with his blinders on.

American communists come in all colors, but then you're easily fooled by propagandists, aren't you? The Russian collusion hoax, the obstruction of justice hoax, the Stormy Daniels hoax, the Mueller hoax, the Ukraine hoax, and now the Trump's responsible for the Virus death, Trump's responsible for the Floyd Hoaxes, have all sucked you in like a Dyson on dust.

 

[Rightguide]

Where did you go to study grammar?

Reform school?

Syria?

We're all still waiting for the Syrian apocalypse Algo predicted..