Litiquette VII

[Endless_Night]

I read that three times. Each time it seemed to make less sense, though it's a metaphor I've never questioned before. Turns out it's based on the literal meaning of dawn.

For me, information is light. I question, get information, which then leads to more light on a subject. So, yes, light helps.

However, the most difficult issues usually find me in a quagmire of darkness. No matter how much information is obtained. Sometimes I need a little time in the dark, a sort of bottoming out, if you will, before the light fills the room.

 

[Fermina_Daza]

“It’s the darkest just before dawn” I know this is a metaphor but it’s never held true for me. It’s not really any darker just before dawn as it is 2 hours before dawn unless there’s a study out there that shows it is darker before dawn and if there is, I’d love to read it. Once you’re in the throws of darkness, does the glimmer of light help, or is it just a reminder of the darkness? For me, when it’s dark, it’s dark, and the only solution is light, lots and lots of light. For you?

Prior to Covid-19 I would have said the glimmer of light helps. I’ve mentioned my partner’s extensive surgery and recovery. Five months of darkness, sickness, cleaning shit I had hoped to never clean again, then a last ditch effort to save him - which worked. Finally, I could see some light at the end of the tunnel. Being someone’s primary caregiver or horrifically isolating. We managed to get out twice and then this shit hit and back into isolation. Turns out the glimmer of light was a huge cock tease. My partner may be on his way to recovery, but we are still isolated - and we had a four-month head start.

Bring on ALL the light.

 

[Endless_Night]

Well...as a follow up on this isn't most rapid individual and for that matter societal developmental gain(s) directly attributable to pain or failures? If all your getting is a lot of pleasure then what's the impetus to change or improve?

As a followup, couldn't the argument be extended to say that some societal regressions* or losses are directly attributable to pain or failures?

It's certainly the case for individuals, and what is society besides an extension of the one?

*not sure regression is the right word there, but I couldn't think of another.

#needscoffee

 

[tnman03]

As a followup, couldn't the argument be extended to say that some societal regressions* or losses are directly attributable to pain or failures?

It's certainly the case for individuals, and what is society besides an extension of the one?

*not sure regression is the right word there, but I couldn't think of another.

#needscoffee

Well you could certainly make a case of this in discussing a lot of historical events which all involved a total societal fall into chaos. The Dark Ages are but one example. I’d probably use collapse, breakdown, or failure rather than regression as a descriptor though. But you make a good point.

 

[Endless_Night]

Well you could certainly make a case of this in discussing a lot of historical events which all involved a total societal fall into chaos. The Dark Ages are but one example. I’d probably use collapse, breakdown, or failure rather than regression as a descriptor though. But you make a good point.

All far better word choices! Thank you, Tinman.

 

[Orchidea73]

Well you could certainly make a case of this in discussing a lot of historical events which all involved a total societal fall into chaos. The Dark Ages are but one example. I’d probably use collapse, breakdown, or failure rather than regression as a descriptor though. But you make a good point.

Which was followed by the Renaissance, hence the Dawn.

 

[LurkingPhoenix]

“It’s the darkest just before dawn” I know this is a metaphor but it’s never held true for me. It’s not really any darker just before dawn as it is 2 hours before dawn unless there’s a study out there that shows it is darker before dawn and if there is, I’d love to read it. Once you’re in the throws of darkness, does the glimmer of light help, or is it just a reminder of the darkness? For me, when it’s dark, it’s dark, and the only solution is light, lots and lots of light. For you?

It really depends for me.

Sometimes I have to find my own light, and work my way out of the darkness. That usually is slow and painful, but effective...and the shimmering lights just remind me of what I don't wish to see.

Most recently, I've had some light shown on me that really helped chase away the dark. I'm grateful for that...❤

I'm better now than I have been in a while.

So...it really depends on what put me in the darkness in the first place, and if I'm ready to face the rays of sunshine.

 

[tnman03]

Which was followed by the Renaissance, hence the Dawn.

All true, although the Renaissance had its own complications. But Dawn describes its reawakened rediscovery of much which was lost well describes it.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Damn Papa Chained. I leave you with your own thread for a few days and you clearly have gotten into SMN’s stash. Either you’ve gotten all existential on us or you’re just high AF.

Where’s the life, bro?!? I know you’re trying to keep the fun from happening, but breathe some life in here!

 

[Orchidea73]

All true, although the Renaissance had its own complications. But Dawn describes its reawakened rediscovery of much which was lost well describes it.

And it's a great name too.

 

[tnman03]

And it's a great name too.

Most assuredly.

 

[SMNaughtywife]

Damn Papa Chained. I leave you with your own thread for a few days and you clearly have gotten into SMN’s stash.

Always so jelly of what I have and won’t share with you.
Poor li’l fella, it’s gonna be okay.

 

[SMNaughtywife]

“Nothing can dim the light that shines within.” Maya Angelou

You learn to pick yourself up again and again, ignore the invisible scars and move forward.
A way of thinking, living, seeing the bigger pic and knowing thyself.
It’s empowering knowing you rarely allow your light to be blown out. But sometimes it’s exhausting, fending off the inner critic with reminders and mantras ready on standby.
Far from easy, practice makes better.
It’s doable. And damn near perfectible.

And I don’t like the dark but I love the stars.

 

[Trekka]

Even rock bottoms have trap doors.
So, yeah, just when you think you’re really in the weeds, it can get even darker.
And then?
When one door closes, you gotta wait for another to open.
But meanwhile it’s hell in the hallway.

But I agree with SMN. I love to see the stars.
There’s always something to be grateful for. That’s my light.

 

[tnman03]

“Nothing can dim the light that shines within.” Maya Angelou

You learn to pick yourself up again and again, ignore the invisible scars and move forward.
A way of thinking, living, seeing the bigger pic and knowing thyself.
It’s empowering knowing you rarely allow your light to be blown out. But sometimes it’s exhausting, fending off the inner critic with reminders and mantras ready on standby.
Far from easy, practice makes better.
It’s doable. And damn near perfectible.

And I don’t like the dark but I love the stars.

Even rock bottoms have trap doors.
So, yeah, just when you think you’re really in the weeds, it can get even darker.
And then?
When one door closes, you gotta wait for another to open.
But meanwhile it’s hell in the hallway.

But I agree with SMN. I love to see the stars.
There’s always something to be grateful for. That’s my light.

Yep, seeing the stars above is pretty awesome, the further away from light pollution the better. But don't you two like seeing the fireflies when they're out and about dancing in the night?

 

[Trekka]

Yep, seeing the stars above is pretty awesome, the further away from light pollution the better. But don't you two like seeing the fireflies when they're out and about dancing in the night?

I love fireflies!
They’re so magical looking to me. Don’t get then down in my neck of the woods...

If that was a metaphor I totally missed it

 

[tnman03]

I love fireflies!
They’re so magical looking to me. Don’t get then down in my neck of the woods...

If that was a metaphor I totally missed it

Naw, only that fireflies bring the night to life with all of their illuminations and make it happier. I've always liked them and look forward to seeing them every summer. They bring much-needed normalcy.

 

[SassySheDevil]

I love fireflies!
They’re so magical looking to me. Don’t get then down in my neck of the woods...

If that was a metaphor I totally missed it

Don't have them in my area either. I saw them for the first time in Ohio. I screamed like a little kid chasing them around.

 

[hairball18]

Don't have them in my area either. I saw them for the first time in Ohio. I screamed like a little kid chasing them around.

I think I heard them scream as you chased them

 

[tnman03]

Don't have them in my area either. I saw them for the first time in Ohio. I screamed like a little kid chasing them around.

My siblings and I used to catch them and put them in glass jars to look at them glowing. They got released at bedtime because there wasn't any way our parents would let us knuckleheads bring a glass jar of fireflies in the house. lol

 

[SMNaughtywife]

I love fireflies!
They’re so magical looking to me. Don’t get then down in my neck of the woods...

If that was a metaphor I totally missed it

Don't have them in my area either. I saw them for the first time in Ohio. I screamed like a little kid chasing them around.

No fireflies?! Or man.
They come out around the first part of June here. It’s like the marking of summer is finally here.
Just like your potatoes are usually ready in the garden by 4th of July and hello potato salad making.
Ok. Maybe this is Midwest crazy talk!

My siblings and I used to catch them and put them in glass jars to look at them glowing. They got released at bedtime because there wasn't any way our parents would let us knuckleheads bring a glass jar of fireflies in the house. lol

I was the mean mom and never let my boys do that, you damage their wings when catching them. Yeah I know, there’s thousands, but still.

 

[tnman03]

No fireflies?! Or man.
They come out around the first part of June here. It’s like the marking of summer is finally here.
Just like your potatoes are usually ready in the garden by 4th of July and hello potato salad making.
Ok. Maybe this is Midwest crazy talk!



I was the mean mom and never let my boys do that, you damage their wings when catching them. Yeah I know, there’s thousands, but still.

Well, there's kind of like ladybugs in a way because you don't see a lot of other critters wanting to eat them. But at least they don't try to get into your house and infest it. I'm looking forward to seeing them again this summer.

 

[Dribble]

Cicadas in the day...fireflies at night. On calm nights...you can hear the corn grow.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

Cicadas in the day...fireflies at night. On calm nights...you can hear the corn grow.

That sounds like the beginnings of some alien invasion horror film

 

[numeniusa]

Cicadas on a 17 year cycle are breeding this year, I read. 'Brood IX', what a sinister name. I love that whole prime number breeding cycle thing.

Fireflies are so lovely *sighs*. I've only seen them once, completely unexpectedly, walking back from a restaurant in France along a sort of boardwalk path over water, and suddenly there they were. Gorgeous. And somewhat threatened.