are you afraid of the coronavirus?

[KeithD]

get a flu jab,

The flu is a different animal altogether. No reason not to get a flu shot, but it has no relationship to the coronavirus. the flu shot does nothing for you in protection agains coronavirus.

Where getting a flu shot (and/or pneumonia shot) might help, although it's too soon to know, is that you might more easily succumb to coronavirus if you contract it while you are weak from having the flu or pneumonia.

 

[oggbashan]

The flu is a different animal altogether. No reason not to get a flu shot, but it has no relationship to the coronavirus. the flu shot does nothing for you in protection agains coronavirus.

But your chance of getting flu and dying from it is much greater than coronavirus.

If you are in a risk group - have the flu shot. It might save your life.

 

[KeithD]

But your chance of getting flu and dying from it is much greater than coronavirus.

If you are in a risk group - have the flu shot. It might save your life.

Well, yes. But it isn't any more a protection from the coronavirus, which is the topic of the thread, than it is from being hit by a bus.

 

[butters]

The flu is a different animal altogether. No reason not to get a flu shot, but it has no relationship to the coronavirus. the flu shot does nothing for you in protection agains coronavirus.

it's part and parcel of the advice being offered; i'd assume it's because if you're not protected to some extent then you're more likely to get flu which, in turn, will mean your immune system's weakened and makes you more vulnerable to the worst effect of covid-19 should you get it. i don't know if it offers some greater protection against developing pneumonia even if it's not a vaccine against covid-19. fuzzy might know a lot more about this.

 

[KeithD]

it's part and parcel of the advice being offered;

Not the advice I just heard on CNN, which was an official (a former health official, not someone in the bogus Trump camp) saying not to think the flu shot is going to be a comfort against coronavirus.

 

[butters]

But your chance of getting flu and dying from it is much greater than coronavirus.

If you are in a risk group - have the flu shot. It might save your life.

maybe at the moment, ogg.

not sure they can come up with a definitive rate, but right now the death rate stands at 20 times higher than the flu

honestly, until everyone has recovered or died then it must be difficult to establish a firm figure, surely?

"More than 80% of patients have mild disease and will recover. In about 14% of cases, the virus causes severe diseases including pneumonia and shortness of breath. And about 5% of patients have critical diseases including respiratory failure, septic shock and multiorgan failure," he said. "In 2% of reported cases, the virus is fatal, and the risk of death increases the older you are. We see relatively few cases among children. More research is needed to understand why."

While the novel coronavirus fatality rate is lower than for SARS and MERS, it still seems to be comparable to the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, Neil Ferguson, professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College London, said in January.
"It is a significant concern, globally," Ferguson said, noting that we don't yet fully understand the severity.

Ferguson said he believes the fatality rate is likely to be lower because of an "iceberg" of milder cases that have not yet been identified, but he highlights that novel viruses spread much more quickly through a population.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/17/health/novel-coronavirus-surfaces-study/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate

Study of 72,000 COVID-19 patients finds 2.3% death rate

 

[butters]

Not the advice I just heard on CNN, which was an official (a former health official, not someone in the bogus Trump camp) saying not to think the flu shot is going to be a comfort against coronavirus.

yeah, was just listening to him. it doesn't protect you against catching covid-19 but may protect your immune system by you not catching flu and so be in a weakened state of health to begin with.

the advice was on most the health/covid-19 info sites i've visited.

this from the cnn site: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/17/health/novel-coronavirus-surfaces-study/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold

If you do have concerns, "my recommendations would be frequent hand-washing, avoiding contact with people who are sick, follow home quarantine recommendations according to the latest public health agency guidelines if you have recently traveled from China or were in contact with a known or suspected infected patient," he said.
But overall, "it is still far more likely that you contract influenza rather than this novel coronavirus, meaning that you should get vaccinated for influenza as well."

 

[hobbit.]

If you are in a risk group - have the flu shot. It might save your life.

to expand that theory, if you know someone who HAS corona virus - shoot them - it might save your life.

Practical tip.

 

[hobbit.]

honestly, until everyone has recovered or died then it must be difficult to establish a firm figure, surely?

If everyone dies, who will work out the figure?

Anyone fancy running a sweepstake on who on Lit will be the first confirmed case?

 

[oggbashan]

to expand that theory, if you know someone who HAS corona virus - shoot them - it might save your life.

Practical tip.

By the time you know they have it?

It is probably too late to avoid catching it yourself.

 

[hobbit.]

By the time you know they have it?

It is probably too late to avoid catching it yourself.

Good point.

Ogg suggests amending the earlier advice (a bit like our health minister) to shoot anyone whom you SUSPECT might have corona virus, doing so will help protect the state. A good starting point would be take up position outside of a local health facilty where tests are carried out. KEEP UP WIND.

 

[oggbashan]

Good point.

Ogg suggests amending the earlier advice (a bit like our health minister) to shoot anyone whom you SUSPECT might have corona virus, doing so will help protect the state. A good starting point would be take up position outside of a local health facilty where tests are carried out. KEEP UP WIND.

Perhaps Iran's Health Minister should have been shot for mopping his forehead on TV the day before he was confirmed as having the virus?

 

[butters]

to expand that theory, if you know someone who HAS corona virus - shoot them - it might save your life.

Practical tip.

hmmmnnnnn

If everyone dies, who will work out the figure?

Anyone fancy running a sweepstake on who on Lit will be the first confirmed case?

you know what i mean

and, no


looks like people with diabetes have an elevated risk of serious problems form covid-19

from medscape.com

Indications so far are that people with diabetes and other chronic medical conditions, such as cardiovascular disease (CVD), will have a worse prognosis if they become infected with COVID-19, the novel coronavirus that has emerged from China.

There is also evidence that diabetes may increase risk for infection from COVID-19 two- to threefold, independently of other medical problems, such as CVD.

 

[hobbit.]

Perhaps Iran's Health Minister should have been shot for mopping his forehead on TV the day before he was confirmed as having the virus?

he probably will be.

better take the studio crew out aswell, people who watched on TV might be ok.

 

[hobbit.]

looks like people with diabetes have an elevated risk of serious problems form covid-19

Ok, Ogg wants to shoot anyone suspected of having corona virus.

Butters reckons people with diabettes are most likely to be suspects.

Anyone with diabettes is NOT allowed to enter the sweep stake.

 

[butters]

there are a LOT of people with diabetes in america. a LOTTA LOT

 

[oggbashan]

there are a LOT of people with diabetes in america. a LOTTA LOT

I have diabetes and terminal lung cancer. My chances of surviving coronavirus are very low - unless the lung cancer kills me first.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Mike Pence is the Coronavirus Czar but he doesn't even believe in climate change or that smoking can kill. This is what we're up against.

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence...aids-smoking-evolution-climate-change-1489458

 

[coati]

Mike Pence is the Coronavirus Czar but he doesn't even believe in climate change or that smoking can kill. This is what we're up against.

https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence...aids-smoking-evolution-climate-change-1489458

Ain't it a sad state of affairs when we consider Mike Pence to be a step up from the science-denying impeached President?

Well, most people who are not a complete narcissist with a messiah complex at least understand the concept of communicable disease.

 

[DeluxAuto]

When your President is stupid

Coronavirus: Trump contradicts his own health experts on threat posed by deadly virus

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ss-press-conference-white-house-a9362291.html

 

[DeluxAuto]

Ain't it a sad state of affairs when we consider Mike Pence to be a step up from the science-denying impeached President?

Well, most people who are not a complete narcissist with a messiah complex at least understand the concept of communicable disease.

I'm not sure I can agree with you on this but I certainly can't disagree.

 

[butters]

from an article published monday:

The world has responded with unprecedented speed and mobilization of resources. The new virus was identified extremely quickly. Its genome was sequenced by Chinese scientists and shared around the world within weeks. The global scientific community has shared genomic and clinical data at unprecedented rates. Work on a vaccine is well under way. The Chinese government enacted dramatic containment measures, and the World Health Organization declared an emergency of international concern. All of this happened in a fraction of the time it took to even identify H5N1 in 1997. And yet the outbreak continues to spread.

The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”
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Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, about 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

Lipsitch is far from alone in his belief that this virus will continue to spread widely. The emerging consensus among epidemiologists is that the most likely outcome of this outbreak is a new seasonal disease—a fifth “endemic” coronavirus. With the other four, people are not known to develop long-lasting immunity. If this one follows suit, and if the disease continues to be as severe as it is now, “cold and flu season” could become “cold and flu and COVID-19 season.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/


looks like most people will get it over time, experiencing it much like a cold with very few or mild symptoms. it's just very dangerous for those already weakened. how many people with respiratory illnesses, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, experiencing flu or just over it in the usa? millions and millions and millions.

am i scared of the coronavirus? no. but with any novel virus with no vaccine, it's important to be prepared and it doesn't stop me worrying that people i love might be affected. i personally know at least 6 people close by who would be at a far greater risk.

 

[butters]

I have diabetes and terminal lung cancer. My chances of surviving coronavirus are very low - unless the lung cancer kills me first.

however, you are one of the luckier ones--inasmuch as you're in a position to isolate yourself more than others should it spread further in the uk. some won't have the opportunity to not travel to work unless those get shut down.

japan's currently calling for all its schools to be closed for 1 month in order to try and hold back the spread of the virus.

 

[Pookie]

Ok, Ogg wants to shoot anyone suspected of having corona virus.

Butters reckons people with diabettes are most likely to be suspects.

Anyone with diabettes is NOT allowed to enter the sweep stake.

Most likely any elderly not in one of those categories.

 

[KeithD]

Ain't it a sad state of affairs when we consider Mike Pence to be a step up from the science-denying impeached President?

Well, most people who are not a complete narcissist with a messiah complex at least understand the concept of communicable disease.

I don't consider Pence a step up in this. I recognize that this is just Trump thinking we'll be fooled by him setting up a scapegoat for the inevitable administration failure on this--a failure guaranteed because he's already gutted programs and failed to fill necessary jobs.