Is the "Loving Wives" category really that bad?

[KyraSaden]

I'm thinking of writing a "burn the bastard" style of story and assume that LW would be the appropriate place to post it. I don't mind if it bombs, but would prefer not to have trolls attacking my other stories. Is that a common issue? Should I post under a backup pen name just to be safe?

It's a multi-part story, so I'm also wondering how long I can wait to post successive chapters. Given the peculiarities of that audience, is a few days the maximum? A week or two? A month?

Thanks!

 

[TarnishedPenny]

YMMV, but LW has a pretty well-deserved for nastiness. Some of my favourite stories are from there, but the comments can be ugly, to the point that I myself don’t write for LW.

Trolls are a sad fact of life and, until community mental health programmes improve, that’s unlikely to change. If it worries you, then an alt might not be a bad idea.

 

[yukonnights]

I would definitely use an alt for the kind of story you intend. A 'burn the bastard' theme is more than a story, it's a direct challenge. It begs the question; Is this too trollish behavior? Is it a story you really love and want to share, or an intentional provocation directed at a certain subset of readers?

 

[sbrooks103]

I'm thinking of writing a "burn the bastard" style of story and assume that LW would be the appropriate place to post it. I don't mind if it bombs, but would prefer not to have trolls attacking my other stories. Is that a common issue? Should I post under a backup pen name just to be safe?

It's a multi-part story, so I'm also wondering how long I can wait to post successive chapters. Given the peculiarities of that audience, is a few days the maximum? A week or two? A month?

Thanks!

Since Burn The Bitch is in LW, as a LW devotee, I have no issue with Burn The Bastard, but I'm sure others will disagree.

You WILL catch flak, tho you shouldn't, and I would def use an alt.

Do NOT post until the story is complete!

Ideally post a chapter every day or two, weekly TOPS, and let readers know 1) How many chapters, 2) That the story IS indeed finished (NOBODY wants to wait for you to finish writing subsequent chapters!). 3) How frequently you will be posting - Nobody SHOULD mind weekly if that's what you said, but if they don't know, they'll be impatient by Day 3!

 

[sbrooks103]

I would definitely use an alt for the kind of story you intend. A 'burn the bastard' theme is more than a story, it's a direct challenge. It begs the question; Is this too trollish behavior? Is it a story you really love and want to share, or an intentional provocation directed at a certain subset of readers?

I agree. If you WANT to write a BTBastard, go for it, but if you're trolling and want to poke the bear, don't do it.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'm thinking of writing a "burn the bastard" style of story and assume that LW would be the appropriate place to post it. I don't mind if it bombs, but would prefer not to have trolls attacking my other stories. Is that a common issue? Should I post under a backup pen name just to be safe?

It's a multi-part story, so I'm also wondering how long I can wait to post successive chapters. Given the peculiarities of that audience, is a few days the maximum? A week or two? A month?

Thanks!

I imagine you'd get troll migration to your story file, especially if you're going to turn it around and write as a ball-busting woman. The "real men if Lit" won't like that one bit. Why would you bother?

 

[KyraSaden]

I would definitely use an alt for the kind of story you intend. A 'burn the bastard' theme is more than a story, it's a direct challenge. It begs the question; Is this too trollish behavior? Is it a story you really love and want to share, or an intentional provocation directed at a certain subset of readers?

Honestly? It's one of those stories where I came up with the title first, really, really, really liked the title, and now I can't let it go.

I wouldn't say it's "a story I really love and want to share," but "a story I think would be fun to write and I might as well share it." Normally, I write long, world-building heavy stuff and I think this would be a enjoyable break from that, focused almost entirely on the sex.

I wouldn't mind putting it somewhere other than LW if anyone has recommendations. However, "burn the bastard" stories are inherently kind of mean and I wouldn't want to put it in a category where people tend to go for nice, happy sex.

YMMV, but LW has a pretty well-deserved for nastiness. Some of my favourite stories are from there, but the comments can be ugly, to the point that I myself don’t write for LW.

I can handle nasty comments, I just don't want the scores on any of my other stories to tank as a result of posting to the LW category. I know I can't completely prevent that from happening without using an alt, but doesn't Lit regularly do sweeps to clean up that kind of thing?

Since Burn The Bitch is in LW, as a LW devotee, I have no issue with Burn The Bastard, but I'm sure others will disagree.

You WILL catch flak, tho you shouldn't, and I would def use an alt.

Do NOT post until the story is complete!

Ideally post a chapter every day or two, weekly TOPS, and let readers know 1) How many chapters, 2) That the story IS indeed finished (NOBODY wants to wait for you to finish writing subsequent chapters!). 3) How frequently you will be posting - Nobody SHOULD mind weekly if that's what you said, but if they don't know, they'll be impatient by Day 3!

Thank you! It's nice to get feedback from someone who hails from that category. Normally, I write in the sci-fi/fantasy genre and those folks don't usually mind long waits between chapters as long as you provide a lot of content in each post, but I figured the readers in LW might be less tolerant.

 

[SimonDoom]

Does anybody have any proof that this happens?

Authors who post stories about cuckoldry, or about wives who have sex outside the marriage with the husband's approval or without bad consequences routinely get bad comments, and sometimes also have other stories outside LW downvoted. My story posted to LW got many nasty comments, but there was no impact outside LW.

But is there any proof that someone who posted a "Burn the Bastard" story would get nasty comments? Why would they? The readership there might not like it much, since the category tends to focus on wives who cheat, not husbands who cheat, but what evidence is there to believe that the readers would attack the author for such a story?

There is a big upside to posting a story in LW: you will get many readers. If you post under your name, rather than an alt, you may gain favorites and followers, too, and that in turn will give you more visibility and more readers. So it's not all bad, and I think warnings about the risk should be based on actual proof that this has happened before rather than mere fear.

 

[yukonnights]

Thanks for the clarifications Kyra. I agree with those who advise an alt to write this. I wouldn't count on the 'sweeps' to counter any blow-back. I also wouldn't worry about uncovering any proof 'blow-back' might happen. 'Better safe than sorry' became a common saying for a reason

 

[ElectricBlue]

Does anybody have any proof that this happens?

There have been many writers over the years who have reported collateral damage to their story file after posting to LW for the first time.

Urban myths start somewhere - but yes, they can self seed, after a while.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I write a lot of Loving Wives stories, BTB, RAAC, BTBastard, Wife Sharing, Hotwife, etc. No I don't write about cuckolds. My husband wives who share are equals.

Do I get comments that bother me? Well, I don't get anon comments as those are turned off. I do get comments from people who hate what I write all the time but, as I warn everyone up front, I then have to question their mental capacity as to why they read the damn thing. But, do bad comments bother me? Not really. Do low scores bother me? Not really, I know there are a lot trolls out there so I just act like a duck.

Do they one bomb my other works, probably but there are so many high scores from fans that it negates the one bombs, or they are swept away by the powers that be.

You will need a thick skin to write in LW.

Welcome to the nut house.

 

[ladventures1]

Actively try to avoid the category

I am a married woman whose husband enjoys the fantasy of me cheating, so why should I get judged by a bunch of angry misogynists? I find myself inserting other elements into a experimenting wife story so I can list it in Group Sex or something else. I also have several unpublished stories that I don’t want to share to avoid the angry comments and messages. I agree with those who feel another category would help separate the angriest readers, at least somewhat.

 

[SimonDoom]

There have been many writers over the years who have reported collateral damage to their story file after posting to LW for the first time.

Urban myths start somewhere - but yes, they can self seed, after a while.

My point is that this response seems to be reserved for a particular type of story: where the wife has sex outside of marriage and gets away with it, or where the husband approves of it. That's not the type of story the OP wants to publish.

I see no evidence it applies widely to other kinds of LW stories. I saw no evidence of widespread trollish behavior in comments to the recent Burning Down The House event stories.

The fact that people report the downvoting of their story catalog after posting to LW doesn't mean anything concerning the type of story the OP wants to write unless those stories are analogous. I see no reason to believe they are. I think some of the worry about posting in LW may be exaggerated. If no one has actual evidence that this happens in response to this kind of story, then there's no reason to worry.

 

[gordo12]

There have been many writers over the years who have reported collateral damage to their story file after posting to LW for the first time.

Urban myths start somewhere - but yes, they can self seed, after a while.

Very, very, minimal. And yes LW has become an urban myth. The talk that goes on in the forum here vastly exceeds the reality.

My point is that this response seems to be reserved for a particular type of story: where the wife has sex outside of marriage and gets away with it, or where the husband approves of it. That's not the type of story the OP wants to publish.

I see no evidence it applies widely to other kinds of LW stories. I saw no evidence of widespread trollish behavior in comments to the recent Burning Down The House event stories.

The fact that people report the downvoting of their story catalog after posting to LW doesn't mean anything concerning the type of story the OP wants to write unless those stories are analogous. I see no reason to believe they are. I think some of the worry about posting in LW may be exaggerated. If no one has actual evidence that this happens in response to this kind of story, then there's no reason to worry.

Got it in one. Especially the part about the exaggeration.

Any effect on the rest of the stories is because they follow your original story and read something else. The votes (in my opinion) seem realistic afterward, not bombing. Same with comments.

For the OP here are two stories. The first was the BTBitch and when someone asked why the Bastard was getting away with it...well.

They're short, if you choose to read them, but you won't get the bastard one without reading the bitch. They were written with a tongue in cheek attitude and are somewhat over the top.

The only effect I noticed was the Bastard one got slightly lower marks and traffic. It appears those "Real Men" don't like consequences to their little peccadillos.

https://www.literotica.com/s/cheat-ify-the-bitch
https://www.literotica.com/s/cheat-ify-the-bastard

 

[sbrooks103]

Does anybody have any proof that this happens?

Authors who post stories about cuckoldry, or about wives who have sex outside the marriage with the husband's approval or without bad consequences routinely get bad comments, and sometimes also have other stories outside LW downvoted. My story posted to LW got many nasty comments, but there was no impact outside LW.

But is there any proof that someone who posted a "Burn the Bastard" story would get nasty comments? Why would they? The readership there might not like it much, since the category tends to focus on wives who cheat, not husbands who cheat, but what evidence is there to believe that the readers would attack the author for such a story?

There is a big upside to posting a story in LW: you will get many readers. If you post under your name, rather than an alt, you may gain favorites and followers, too, and that in turn will give you more visibility and more readers. So it's not all bad, and I think warnings about the risk should be based on actual proof that this has happened before rather than mere fear.

I think BTBastard would get nasty comments since a large part of the readership prefers reading about cheating wives. I have no PROOF that any animus would transfer, but I wouldn't take the chance. I have no proof, but I'm sure that people irritated by my comments mark down my stories. If I could do it all over again, I would have created an alt for my submissions.

 

[Inkhorn]

Posting in the LW with anything means:

1) you will get an audience!
2) half of that audience will hate you
3) you will get feedback
4) your other stories are going to get bombed. If they hate your story, they’ll go after your other stuff. If they like your BtB story but the rest of your stuff is not BtB, they’ll go after your other stuff.

Unless you’re really sure of your story (or like me, you don’t care) use an alt.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'll just point out that so far no one has any evidence that the phenomenon of bombing stories and downvoting stories on the rest of one's story catalog occurs EXCEPT with respect to cuckold/wife sharing stories that are hated by the BTB crowd. I see no reason to believe this occurs except with these types of stories. The BTB folks may not like Burn the Bastard stories, but that doesn't mean they're going to troll them and go after the authors.

Whatever else you can say about Loving Wives, it has a huge audience, so it's a good place to post a story UNLESS you have a really solid reason not to do so.

 

[RejectReality]

Of course there's no direct evidence. A large percentage of the comments are anonymous, and there's no absolute way to trace them across other stories. What we do have is a long-standing track record of people reporting a barrage of outlying low votes and dismissive/abusive comments that come in immediately after posting a story in LW or receiving an especially nasty comment on a LW story.

I really wish I still had some of the old screenshots I had of the Feedback Portal showing rapid-fire comment bombing. I just dug through the hotlink directory on my website, and unfortunately, I must have purged them from there as well. I had screen shots where the bottom was a nasty comment on a LW story, and half of the rest of the portal was filled with comments such as "garbage cuck author. 1*" on several of the author's other stories in a variety of categories.

Every instance is anecdotal, but they're anecdotes that compile over time to form a picture of a readership with sufficient numbers of especially vindictive bad actors in every camp to warrant strong warnings.

This is doubly true for new authors who are still in the process of honing their craft.

It's not new, either. When I was having a veteran of the category review my first foray more than a decade ago, I received the exact same warnings we're delivering today.

Loving Wives is a war zone. Wherever there is war, there are war crimes, and it's the innocent bystanders who bear the brunt of that.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I'm thinking of writing a "burn the bastard" style of story and assume that LW would be the appropriate place to post it. I don't mind if it bombs, but would prefer not to have trolls attacking my other stories. Is that a common issue? Should I post under a backup pen name just to be safe?

It's a multi-part story, so I'm also wondering how long I can wait to post successive chapters. Given the peculiarities of that audience, is a few days the maximum? A week or two? A month?

Thanks!

Bwahahaha! They'll love it... the dude gets fucked over in the end? Do it.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Does anybody have any proof that this happens?

Authors who post stories about cuckoldry, or about wives who have sex outside the marriage with the husband's approval or without bad consequences routinely get bad comments, and sometimes also have other stories outside LW downvoted. My story posted to LW got many nasty comments, but there was no impact outside LW.

But is there any proof that someone who posted a "Burn the Bastard" story would get nasty comments? Why would they? The readership there might not like it much, since the category tends to focus on wives who cheat, not husbands who cheat, but what evidence is there to believe that the readers would attack the author for such a story?

There is a big upside to posting a story in LW: you will get many readers. If you post under your name, rather than an alt, you may gain favorites and followers, too, and that in turn will give you more visibility and more readers. So it's not all bad, and I think warnings about the risk should be based on actual proof that this has happened before rather than mere fear.

The Incels and MGTOWS hiding in the backwoods of LW, that's who.

 

[galaxygoddess]

Ok, I just read this whole thread... What is the "Loving Wives" category exactly?

From reading this thread, other than nasty troll fears, I'm getting the impression it's about wives being cheated on? or being the cheater? or...?

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Thanks for the clarifications Kyra. I agree with those who advise an alt to write this. I wouldn't count on the 'sweeps' to counter any blow-back. I also wouldn't worry about uncovering any proof 'blow-back' might happen. 'Better safe than sorry' became a common saying for a reason

I don't have any alt accounts. I'm a gangstah; I post everything on this account and don't comment to any story commenter, commenting on my stories. I fear no downvotes, or insipid comments. There is nothing to lose here.

 

[SimonDoom]

The Incels and MGTOWS hiding in the backwoods of LW, that's who.

Unless there are examples of these folks attacking these types of stories this is just speculation and nothing more.

 

[Inkhorn]

Ok, I just read this whole thread... What is the "Loving Wives" category exactly?

From reading this thread, other than nasty troll fears, I'm getting the impression it's about wives being cheated on? or being the cheater? or...?

Loving Wives covers a wide swath of different story types, the variety of which causes a great deal of... um... “discussion.”

Things you will find are: cuckolded husbands (willing and unwilling), swinging wives, cheating wives, cheating husbands and how the wife deals with them, burning the bitch/bastard, reconciliations, divorces, and the like.

 

[gordo12]

The Incels and MGTOWS hiding in the backwoods of LW, that's who.

You don't even have any stories in LW so what are you talking about.

IE: little or ZERO actual experience.

Idle rumour compounded by conjecture playing on everyone's fears.