Of course climate change is real, ffs!

[dolf]

It's probably why we're not going to see mammoths and woolly rhinos on safari.

You can debate the rate and direction of climate change, speculate on what (if any) impact human activity has on the climate, contemplate the possible consequences of climate change. Perfectly reasonable. We can disagree on those things and I'll think no less of you.

But if you deny climate change exists, you're being a dumbarse. It's always changed. From ice age to warm periods and back to ice. You can see it in tree rings, fossil records, core samples. It's like denying that we orbit the sun.

 

[Adre]

Management takes no responsibility for the stupidity that is guaranteed to ensue.

 

[Fart_knocker]

Circling the sun...lol

 

[heathergives]

Circling the sun...lol

^^^Whatever you say, luk.^^^

 

[Rightguide]

Yes we know the climate changes, we've had five ice ages. The contention is over whether it is man made or not. It isn't.

 

[hobbit.]

Yes we know the climate changes, we've had five ice ages. The contention is over whether it is man made or not. It isn't.

NO! its about screwing more money out of people as 'green taxes'

its the new religion - it has the basics, fear, taking money in to pay for the priests, more fear, more money taken in, strange projects such as building wind mills or laying stones out in patterns to appease the gods, a good dose of very dark full on menacing fear , more money taken in from the fearful....

 

[ishtat]

Yes we know the climate changes, we've had five ice ages. The contention is over whether it is man made or not. It isn't.

That is your opinion; many others believe the opposite. Neither opinion justifies putting unnecessary shit either into the atmosphere or anywhere else in the environment.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

It's probably why we're not going to see mammoths and woolly rhinos on safari.

You can debate the rate and direction of climate change, speculate on what (if any) impact human activity has on the climate, contemplate the possible consequences of climate change. Perfectly reasonable. We can disagree on those things and I'll think no less of you.

But if you deny climate change exists, you're being a dumbarse. It's always changed. From ice age to warm periods and back to ice. You can see it in tree rings, fossil records, core samples. It's like denying that we orbit the sun.

The issue is should pollution in the form of carbon and methane and other by-products of production released into the air be controlled, or not? Should the cost of control and cleanup be borne by the producer of the pollution, or not?

 

[trysail]

The issue is should pollution in the form of carbon and methane and other by-products of production released into the air be controlled, or not? Should the cost of control and cleanup be borne by the producer of the pollution, or not?

Carbon is an element. You can find it in the periodic table.


From wikipedia:

"...Carbon is a chemical element with the symbol C and atomic number 6. It is nonmetallic and tetravalent—making four electrons available to form covalent chemical bonds. It belongs to group 14 of the periodic table..."​

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[trysail]

The climate has been changing for the last 4½ billion years.

You should be aware that (notwithstanding the massive and deliberate promulgation of climate propaganda by a clueless and complicit media) there is ample reason for having doubts about "carbon dioxide-driven, dangerous/catastrophic anthropogenic global warming" and associated conjectures.

It is an unfortunate fact that climate "science" has become horribly politicized.

There are several "blogs" written and/or edited by those I deem informed and objective on climate and its study.

These include:

https://judithcurry.com/
http://www.climate4you.com/
https://climateaudit.org/
http://www.drroyspencer.com/

https://scienceofdoom.com/ and, yes, the notorious:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/ (which is a portal to many others)
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[ishtat]

Carbon is an element. You can find it in the periodic table.

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Yes you will find it there - along with at least half a dozen deadly poisons and many many more nasty surprises if one is exposed to excessive quantities.

The issue with carbon is not its natural qualities but the impact excess carbon compounds, particularly carbon dioxide has. Particulate carbon is also a health problem where smogs occur.

 

[juttjaw]

Carbon is an element. You can find it in the periodic table.


From wikipedia:

"...Carbon is a chemical element with the symbol C and atomic number 6. It is nonmetallic and tetravalent—making four electrons available to form covalent chemical bonds. It belongs to group 14 of the periodic table..."​

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And oil is a natural product, brewed deep inside mother earth. Spill 4.9 million barrels of it into the Gulf of Mexico? We all know how that is still impacting life in that area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

 

[stickygirl]

Imagine if we forced ourselves to use renewable energy, stop burying bottles in landfill, stopped killing sea creatures with plastic in the ocean, forced companies to stop polluting water supplies ... and we were wrong Our children would still thank us for not crapping up their world. Cheer up guys - you'll make lovely compost.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

While we debate the merits of climate change we have islands of plastic growing in our oceans

 

[Conager]

It's probably why we're not going to see mammoths and woolly rhinos on safari.

You can debate the rate and direction of climate change, speculate on what (if any) impact human activity has on the climate, contemplate the possible consequences of climate change. Perfectly reasonable. We can disagree on those things and I'll think no less of you.

But if you deny climate change exists, you're being a dumbarse. It's always changed. From ice age to warm periods and back to ice. You can see it in tree rings, fossil records, core samples. It's like denying that we orbit the sun.

There is no rational explanation for those that, like Frodo, deny the scientific fact that climate has been continually in flux and that weather systems that are reflected in climate changes are exceedingly complex, minimally understood, and at present, impossible to model accurately.

Anthropogenic explanations for observed weather patterns on infinitesimally short timelines compared with geologic timelines has become an article of faith for a secular religion whose adherents worship those tenets, not to personally attempt to evoke change, but to lord their self-important "knowledge" over others.

Useful idiots are being manipulated and used in order to accomplish the aims of those that have always used such useful idiots: leveraging power and control over others.

 

[Fart_knocker]

^^^^Thanks for sharing, gavager.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Bless her heart. Dolf has hit all the hot button topics over her last six or seven threads, none of which the least bit sexual in nature.

 

[trysail]

Merry New Year !

Enjoy it while it lasts. We're all going to die in four day's time:

https://youtu.be/PYTr0dLo81c


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[RocketLauncher]

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[phrodeau]

Carbon is an element. You can find it in the periodic table.


From wikipedia:

"...Carbon is a chemical element with the symbol C and atomic number 6. It is nonmetallic and tetravalent—making four electrons available to form covalent chemical bonds. It belongs to group 14 of the periodic table..."​

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Thanks for telling part of the story. Continuing to quote Wikipedia: “Three isotopes occur naturally, 12C and 13C being stable, while 14C is a radionuclide, decaying with a half-life of about 5,730 years.”

Some of each of these isotopes collect in living plants and remain when they die. Fossil fuels are the remains of plants from millions of years ago. In that time, the 14C carbon has decayed. So burning fossil fuels releases a higher proportion of 12C and 13C carbon into the air.

Analysis of carbon isotopes in the air over time shows that burning fossil fuels is directly responsible for the growing amounts of carbon in the air.

Humans are to blame, nothing and nobody else.

 

[trysail]

Yes you will find it there - along with at least half a dozen deadly poisons and many many more nasty surprises if one is exposed to excessive quantities.

The issue with carbon is not its natural qualities but the impact excess carbon compounds, particularly carbon dioxide has. Particulate carbon is also a health problem where smogs occur.

At current levels, carbon dioxide isn't even close to being a pollutant.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Photosynthesis_en.svg/220px-Photosynthesis_en.svg.png​

Photosynthesis depends on it. Worldwide crop yields are rising.


Some particulates are a potential problem. SOx and NOx can be.



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[RocketLauncher]

http://pics.awwmemes.com/my-name-is-rex-tillerson-im-the-ceo-of-exxonmobil-54066967.png

 

[trysail]

I'm going to make a dumb comment showing how little I know about the subject.

Mere mention of the completely bogus 97% nonsense automatically disqualifies one as a serious commentator. You've been bamboozled.


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[trysail]

I'm going to make another dumb comment showing how little I know about the subject.

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[RocketLauncher]

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Let's see what those idiots at NASA have to say:

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus