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DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN?

  • YES

    Votes: 8 9.2%

  • NO

    Votes: 44 50.6%

  • I ALREADY PLACED MY FAITH IN CHRIST AND HIS SACRIFICE

    Votes: 22 25.3%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Total voters
    87
colddiesel said:
No he did not. The prophet Zoroaster came up with the idea of hell and also the concept of a last judgement more than 1000 years before JC. The Jews picked up on this idea during their exile in Persian Babylon (589/539BC) and incorporated it in the Babylonian Talmud from about the 5th century BC and accepted it wholly as part of Jewish thought from about the 3rd/2nd century BC.

Moslems believe that Jesus of Nazareth decides who does and does not get into heaven. In that, Mohammed closely followed the teaching of the Ebionite followers of Jesus and his brother (James the Just). Basically you and the majority of westerners have swallowed the hokum of Paul of Tarsus who claimed far more on behalf of JC than the man ever claimed for himself.

Xfrodo, You would have a much better understanding of what JC was about if you learned about the common threads and shared thinking characteristic of the development of all the monotheistic faiths, especially prior to JC. Seeking to exclude and condemn everyone outside your very narrow compass of knowledge is dumb, - unchristian even!

JC's great sermon on everyday Ethics, for example, The Sermon on the Mount could have been delivered just as easily by his immediate predecessor the great Jewish Rabbi Hillel the Elder, and neither would have had the slightest problem with the concept of Humata, Hukhta, Hvarshta.
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No the Jews didn't pick up the idea. Adam lived 950 years and was contemporary with Noah. The two of them cover almost 2,000 years of history. Abraham was possibly contemporary with Noah.

All the things in the Bible happened and there are only 3 generations between the beginning of Adam to Abraham. It was accurately recorded.

http://weareisrael.org/2012/05/08/noah-and-abraham/
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
False.
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If you truly wanted to help people, if you genuinely loved thy neighbour, you would be engaging people with reason and openness. You would open your heart, not just your mouth.

Trying to score witness points by posting cold, closed hearted rants at strangers will be seen for the lie that it is. You're no closer to God than phrodeau.

Men like you drive people away from the church.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
No the Jews didn't pick up the idea. Adam lived 950 years and was contemporary with Noah. The two of them cover almost 2,000 years of history. Abraham was possibly contemporary with Noah.

All the things in the Bible happened and there are only 3 generations between the beginning of Adam to Abraham. It was accurately recorded.

http://weareisrael.org/2012/05/08/noah-and-abraham/
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The only thing that this article and your comment proves Xfrodo is that both you and the writer are completely nuts.

Abraham and all the other patriarchs down to Moses had never even heard of the god called Yahweh. The called their god, El, El Shaddai or Elohim. Moses discovered Yaweh when he went to live among the Midianites.
 
Lancedalot said:
Perhaps you should consider selling vacuum cleaners door-to-door, eh x?

Surely you'd be more successful.
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Billy Graham failed miserably at the two pretty low grade colleges he attended, but was then very successful as a door to door salesman. And then he latched onto a really big scam which made him and his family seriously wealthy. :D
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
And where's your proof? You can show me your faith, or belief but you can't show me one piece of evidence that is tangible.
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My 'Proof' is the eyewitnesses who saw Him AFTER His resurrection, the eyewitness testimony of the Bible, the Secular Writings of Him and His resurrection from His day and shortly thereafter by those who were contemporary with Him and shortly thereafter, the early Church writings, the Apocryphal writings, the explosion of Christianity after the resurrection (Had He not risen from the dead, He would have been exposed as a fraud and Christianity would have died then and there), the changed lives, the fulfilled prophecies of the Bible of Christ, Israel and other issues and on and on and on...

My FAITH is backed up by the evidence. Your FAITH that it's not true isn't.
 
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