Impeachment Thread

[JackLuis]

‘You’re going to remove yourself, Mr. Gaetz’: New transcript reveals drama after GOP lawmaker crashed impeachment hearing

House Democrats on Friday released a transcript from the closed-door deposition from White House adviser Fiona Hill showing the dramatic moments when Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) ordered a Republican lawmaker out of the room.

Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman, interrupted an opening statement from Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) to ask why Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) was present in the closed hearing.

“Excuse me, could we suspend?” Schiff said, according to the transcript. “Do we have any members here that are not members of the three committees authorized to be present? Mr. Gaetz, you’re not permitted to be in the room.”

Gaetz protested, saying he served on the Judiciary Committee, which he argued had jurisdiction over impeachment, but Schiff repeated his command to leave.

“Mr. Chairman, really?” Gaetz said.

“Yes, really,” Schiff said. “Mr. Gaetz, take your statement to the press, they do you no good here, so please absent yourself.”

Florida man asked to leave, is stunned by the civility of his betters!

 

[JackLuis]

Republicans’ startlingly incoherent defenses of Trump rapidly alternate between ‘no quid pro quo’ and ‘he’s a moron’

A couple of weeks ago I wrote about President Trump’s defense strategy in the Ukraine scandal, noting that he’s basically running the same play that he ran during the Mueller investigation. He finds a few catchphrases to use on Twitter and during interviews and just repeats them over and over again. It’s a crude salesman’s trick and not one you’d expect to be effective in dealing with a legal and political scandal, but Trump thinks he was able to survive the Russia probe by yelling “No collusion, no obstruction!” and denigrating the press and the investigators.

It turned out that absolutely did exist. Yet Graham still seemed to think that was all there was to it. On Oct. 20, he told Axios on HBO:
"Sen. Lindsey Graham: "If you're looking for a circumstance where the President of the United States was threatening the Ukraine with cutting off aid unless they investigated his political opponent, you'd be very disappointed. That does not exist."

More than half a dozen witnesses have now testified that the quid pro quo was discussed constantly and caused a full-blown uproar among the Foreign Service professionals. Graham remained the good soldier, parroting Trump’s language but not sounding terribly convincing.

"It was incoherent," Sen @LindseyGrahamSC
says of Trump's Ukraine policy.

"They seem to be *incapable* of forming a quid pro quo."

This has become known as the “moron defense,” which holds that the president is too dumb to commit all the crimes it appears he has committed. So far, Graham’s the only one I’ve heard articulate that defense in this case and I would guess that’s because it’s bound to make Trump livid. You may have noticed that he sees himself as a “very stable genius” and he’d probably rather be impeached than hear Republicans say that he was too stupid to have committed a crime. Which really is stupid, but there we are.

Trumpski's best defence may be an accusation, first promoted by his Sec State,
"He's a fucking moron!"

 

[Spandex_Girl]

Republicans said they wanted process, so now they have it. The question is whether President Trump’s defenders are willing, finally, to address the substance of the allegations against him.

Thursday’s historic vote by the House set out procedures for the inquiry into Trump’s conduct that give the president every opportunity to defend himself. Before and after the vote, GOP leaders complained that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was running a “Soviet-style” impeachment process, which must be one of the dumbest things ever said on the House floor. The old Soviet Union didn’t do impeachments, with accusation by one legislative chamber, judgment by the other, the nation’s highest judicial officer presiding and the ultimate sanction being removal from office. It did purges, followed by a one-way trip to the gulag.

It sounded as though Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and his colleagues were grasping at the wispiest of straws, and they were. Odds are that they will continue to do so as long as they can. Meanwhile, however, the process they clamored for will roll on and gather momentum, with or without them.

Trump has groused that his allies should instead be defending him on substance. But how can they? His phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was “perfect” only as an illustration of impeachable behavior. And we know that what Trump called a “word-for-word” transcript of the call omitted key elements of the call, according to one witness. How can anyone defend the president without knowing what’s missing?

Moreover, the phone call was just part of a much larger scheme. The evidence that has surfaced thus far indicates that Trump orchestrated a mob-style shakedown, withholding nearly $400 million in military aid and a promised White House meeting in an attempt to coerce Zelensky into investigating — and publicly smearing — Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The play-ball-with-us message was apparently delivered not just by the president himself but also by various emissaries. At the time, Biden was shown by polls to be Trump’s most formidable potential Democratic opponent in November 2020.

In other words, Trump was actively and personally colluding with a foreign government to interfere in our coming presidential election. No wonder Republicans prefer to pound the table about process.


Soon the depositions that the House Intelligence Committee has been taking behind closed doors will be made public. What we have learned of them so far is heartening. Patriotic civil servants realized what Trump was trying to do and were aghast. They saw him putting personal political interests ahead of the national security interests he had sworn an oath to protect, and they tried their best to do the right thing within the chain of command.

George F. Will: On Trump, the Republican Party is docile, supine and invertebrate
Fear-driven Republicans have been enablers of President Trump with their silence, argues Post columnist George F. Will. (Joy Sharon Yi/The Washington Post)
Ambassador William B. Taylor Jr., named envoy to Ukraine by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, kept copious notes and was able to produce a detailed timeline of events. He also made sure that his qualms and objections were recorded in text messages, which he surely knew would someday come to light. These are not the actions of some “spy” from the mythical “deep state.” These are the actions of a dedicated and experienced diplomat who loves his country.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, a decorated Iraq War veteran who works at the National Security Council as an expert on Ukraine, was assigned to listen in on Trump’s phone call with Zelensky — and was so horrified that he reported the president’s extortion attempt to a top NSC lawyer. The lawyer’s reaction was to make sure that the rough transcript of the call was buried in a super-secret computer system usually reserved for the most highly classified information, such as ongoing covert operations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e69e1e-fc22-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

Have you heard the latest defense from the Republicans? Texas Republican Mac Thornberry is saying that Trump’s extortion scheme with the Ukraine isn’t any worse than the stuff Trump normally does, so we should just leave Trump alone. Thornberry says Trump does stuff like this all the time.

 

[icanhelp1]

Republicans said they wanted process, so now they have it. The question is whether President Trump’s defenders are willing, finally, to address the substance of the allegations against him.

Thursday’s historic vote by the House set out procedures for the inquiry into Trump’s conduct that give the president every opportunity to defend himself. Before and after the vote, GOP leaders complained that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was running a “Soviet-style” impeachment process, which must be one of the dumbest things ever said on the House floor. The old Soviet Union didn’t do impeachments, with accusation by one legislative chamber, judgment by the other, the nation’s highest judicial officer presiding and the ultimate sanction being removal from office. It did purges, followed by a one-way trip to the gulag.

It sounded as though Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and his colleagues were grasping at the wispiest of straws, and they were. Odds are that they will continue to do so as long as they can. Meanwhile, however, the process they clamored for will roll on and gather momentum, with or without them.

Trump has groused that his allies should instead be defending him on substance. But how can they? His phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was “perfect” only as an illustration of impeachable behavior. And we know that what Trump called a “word-for-word” transcript of the call omitted key elements of the call, according to one witness. How can anyone defend the president without knowing what’s missing?

Moreover, the phone call was just part of a much larger scheme. The evidence that has surfaced thus far indicates that Trump orchestrated a mob-style shakedown, withholding nearly $400 million in military aid and a promised White House meeting in an attempt to coerce Zelensky into investigating — and publicly smearing — Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The play-ball-with-us message was apparently delivered not just by the president himself but also by various emissaries. At the time, Biden was shown by polls to be Trump’s most formidable potential Democratic opponent in November 2020.

In other words, Trump was actively and personally colluding with a foreign government to interfere in our coming presidential election. No wonder Republicans prefer to pound the table about process.


Soon the depositions that the House Intelligence Committee has been taking behind closed doors will be made public. What we have learned of them so far is heartening. Patriotic civil servants realized what Trump was trying to do and were aghast. They saw him putting personal political interests ahead of the national security interests he had sworn an oath to protect, and they tried their best to do the right thing within the chain of command.

George F. Will: On Trump, the Republican Party is docile, supine and invertebrate
Fear-driven Republicans have been enablers of President Trump with their silence, argues Post columnist George F. Will. (Joy Sharon Yi/The Washington Post)
Ambassador William B. Taylor Jr., named envoy to Ukraine by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, kept copious notes and was able to produce a detailed timeline of events. He also made sure that his qualms and objections were recorded in text messages, which he surely knew would someday come to light. These are not the actions of some “spy” from the mythical “deep state.” These are the actions of a dedicated and experienced diplomat who loves his country.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, a decorated Iraq War veteran who works at the National Security Council as an expert on Ukraine, was assigned to listen in on Trump’s phone call with Zelensky — and was so horrified that he reported the president’s extortion attempt to a top NSC lawyer. The lawyer’s reaction was to make sure that the rough transcript of the call was buried in a super-secret computer system usually reserved for the most highly classified information, such as ongoing covert operations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e69e1e-fc22-11e9-8190-6be4deb56e01_story.html

So Spandy baby, do you suffer from TDS? Just curious.

 

[KeithD]

Have you heard the latest defense from the Republicans? Texas Republican Mac Thornberry is saying that Trump’s extortion scheme with the Ukraine isn’t any worse than the stuff Trump normally does, so we should just leave Trump alone. Thornberry says Trump does stuff like this all the time.

Why, Thornberry could qualify as a board Trumpette.

 

[seeshelly]

So funny

It is so funny to go back and look at all the threads about Russia and the wild claims and comments about Trump being finished. Really. Go back and dig it up and read it again. The same people are now doing the same thing. It will be so funny to go back and read all of this once the smoke screen blows away. A percentage of people taken in my the fake media reports and all of Adam Shits twisting of things will eventually wake up and look back and be stunned at how brainwashed they were. It is encouraging to find more and more Black Americans that are getting wise to the methods that the left has used to keep them in poverty and economic slavery.

Anyway, make a mental note to go back and read some of this crap in the future. Historians are going to write book after book about this attempted overthrow of a POTUS. Without the emotional wind of the media blithering their minds people will trace the whole nasty plot and wonder how anyone would not see through it.

 

[Ziggins]

I have been wondering how much will this backfire. The Repubs could be content with gaining seats and gloating, but both parties are deeply supplied with vicious brawlers and criminals. The Repub brawlers may have plans for revenge/justice.

 

[gunthernehmen]

I have been wondering how much will this backfire. The Repubs could be content with gaining seats and gloating, but both parties are deeply supplied with vicious brawlers and criminals. The Repub brawlers may have plans for revenge/justice.

You might be more concerned with the right taking notes on how the left has been abusing our justice system in blocking Trumps attempts to do his job.

 

[Spandex_Girl]

Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to extort a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections. He’s also guilty of attempting to engage that same government in a conspiracy to undermine U.S. intelligence and provide a clean bill of health to Vladimir Putin. Trump’s primary on-the-ground assistant in this effort was certainly Rudy Giuliani, but the transcripts have demonstrated that Trump had plenty of help right in the White House—particularly from acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was involved in everything from setting up alternative diplomatic teams to blocking the release of military assistance funds. The more has been learned, the bigger Mulvaney’s role appears.

Heading into the public hearing phase of the inquiry, the evidence against Trump is enormous, the consistency of the testimony is compelling, and a number of the witnesses are both figuratively and literally unimpeachable. Every appearance on Capitol Hill, every transcript released, every piece of information that has come out has only made the situation more certain, and more definitively worthy of impeachment.

Despite Republican claims, the transcripts show that there has not been a single witness whose testimony contained anything that looks like good news for Donald Trump—though there have been several witnesses, Sondland chief among them, whose testimony shows just how complicit they were in acts they believed to be illegal. Finding willing henchmen … is not a proof of innocence.

Trump would like to pretend that this entire process is restricted to a single “perfect” phone call. It’s not. Not only does that call contain every element of the unfolding scheme, it can only be understood in the context of a scandal that developed over months both before and after that call. Which is just what witness testimony has provided. All evidence. No exoneration.

Republicans have until Saturday to name any witnesses they would like to appear in the public phase of the inquiry. But unless those witnesses are Abraham Lincoln swearing to Trump’s honesty, and Hercule Poirot to unravel the plot and single out some other culprit, the Senate better start figuring out its hearing rules. Because Donald Trump is going to be impeached.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ore-than-just-one-phone-call?detail=emaildkre

 

[icanhelp1]

Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to extort a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections. He’s also guilty of attempting to engage that same government in a conspiracy to undermine U.S. intelligence and provide a clean bill of health to Vladimir Putin. Trump’s primary on-the-ground assistant in this effort was certainly Rudy Giuliani, but the transcripts have demonstrated that Trump had plenty of help right in the White House—particularly from acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was involved in everything from setting up alternative diplomatic teams to blocking the release of military assistance funds. The more has been learned, the bigger Mulvaney’s role appears.

Heading into the public hearing phase of the inquiry, the evidence against Trump is enormous, the consistency of the testimony is compelling, and a number of the witnesses are both figuratively and literally unimpeachable. Every appearance on Capitol Hill, every transcript released, every piece of information that has come out has only made the situation more certain, and more definitively worthy of impeachment.

Despite Republican claims, the transcripts show that there has not been a single witness whose testimony contained anything that looks like good news for Donald Trump—though there have been several witnesses, Sondland chief among them, whose testimony shows just how complicit they were in acts they believed to be illegal. Finding willing henchmen … is not a proof of innocence.

Trump would like to pretend that this entire process is restricted to a single “perfect” phone call. It’s not. Not only does that call contain every element of the unfolding scheme, it can only be understood in the context of a scandal that developed over months both before and after that call. Which is just what witness testimony has provided. All evidence. No exoneration.

Republicans have until Saturday to name any witnesses they would like to appear in the public phase of the inquiry. But unless those witnesses are Abraham Lincoln swearing to Trump’s honesty, and Hercule Poirot to unravel the plot and single out some other culprit, the Senate better start figuring out its hearing rules. Because Donald Trump is going to be impeached.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ore-than-just-one-phone-call?detail=emaildkre

You should have your own comedy hour!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to extort a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections. He’s also guilty of attempting to engage that same government in a conspiracy to undermine U.S. intelligence and provide a clean bill of health to Vladimir Putin. Trump’s primary on-the-ground assistant in this effort was certainly Rudy Giuliani, but the transcripts have demonstrated that Trump had plenty of help right in the White House—particularly from acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was involved in everything from setting up alternative diplomatic teams to blocking the release of military assistance funds. The more has been learned, the bigger Mulvaney’s role appears.

Heading into the public hearing phase of the inquiry, the evidence against Trump is enormous, the consistency of the testimony is compelling, and a number of the witnesses are both figuratively and literally unimpeachable. Every appearance on Capitol Hill, every transcript released, every piece of information that has come out has only made the situation more certain, and more definitively worthy of impeachment.

Despite Republican claims, the transcripts show that there has not been a single witness whose testimony contained anything that looks like good news for Donald Trump—though there have been several witnesses, Sondland chief among them, whose testimony shows just how complicit they were in acts they believed to be illegal. Finding willing henchmen … is not a proof of innocence.

Trump would like to pretend that this entire process is restricted to a single “perfect” phone call. It’s not. Not only does that call contain every element of the unfolding scheme, it can only be understood in the context of a scandal that developed over months both before and after that call. Which is just what witness testimony has provided. All evidence. No exoneration.

Republicans have until Saturday to name any witnesses they would like to appear in the public phase of the inquiry. But unless those witnesses are Abraham Lincoln swearing to Trump’s honesty, and Hercule Poirot to unravel the plot and single out some other culprit, the Senate better start figuring out its hearing rules. Because Donald Trump is going to be impeached.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ore-than-just-one-phone-call?detail=emaildkre

Your grasp on legal matters is a little shaky...

 

[Dumpington]

Spandex Girl writes: "Republicans said they wanted process, so now they have it."

And HERE is the process: the House Democrats will vote to impeach President Trump (just like Bill Clinton was impeached), with the U.S. Senate then dismissing all charges, handing Trump a victory (vindication) that he will then use in his 2020 campaign to defeat whatever Democrat ends up winning that fractured party's nomination.

Leather Lesbian writes: "Thornberry says Trump does stuff like this all the time."

Trump angers & upsets Democrats, just like he did on the night of November 8, 2016 - and they want to impeach him for it. But the U.S. Senate isn't going to play along.

KeithD writes: "Why, Thornberry could qualify as a board Trumpette."

Do you know how the Democrats could punish Thornberry, Keith? They could send Alexandria Ocasion-Cortez & the rest of "The Squad" into Mac Thornberry's Texas panhandle congressional district to campaign for his Democrat opponent in 2020! That way, instead of winning 81.6% of the vote, Thornberry will only win 85%! That would show him!

seeshelly writes: "It is so funny to go back and look at all the threads about Russia and the wild claims and comments about Trump being finished."

The Democrats convinced themselves that Robert Mueller would end the Trump presidency. He greatly disappointed them. So now they're putting all of their hopes into Adam Schiff. That's not a good move!

Ziggins writes: "I have been wondering how much will this backfire."

I will predict that it will backfire on the Democratic Party in a HUGE way! They're putting ALL of their eggs in one basket, promising to end Trump's presidency, and the votes simply aren't there to finish it! Once again the U.S. Constitution will defeat Democrat hopes & dreams, and they will appear to be dumbass-LOSERS in the eyes of the American people!

 

[YDB95]

You should have your own comedy hour!

Your grasp on legal matters is a little shaky...

Just highlighting these to point out next time someone accuses us on the left of nothing but name-calling, etc. Whether you agree with her or not, Spandex Girl provided a crisp, clear and well-supported argument, and even provided a citation - and this is your response? Pot, meet kettle!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Just highlighting these to point out next time someone accuses us on the left of nothing but name-calling, etc. Whether you agree with her or not, Spandex Girl provided a crisp, clear and well-supported argument, and even provided a citation - and this is your response? Pot, meet kettle!

Her lead sentence said: Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to extort a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections.

He hasn't even been impeached, never mind convicted.

My statement was not name calling, it was a statement of fact.

 

[YDB95]

Her lead sentence said: Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to extort a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections.

He hasn't even been impeached, never mind convicted.

My statement was not name calling, it was a statement of fact.

Technically it's a fact, yes. But Trump himself has inadvertently admitted he did it - he was just too stupid to know there was anything wrong with it.

In any event, my point was (and still is) that her argument was well-supported by the facts, and the very people who routinely accuse us of baseless name calling responded to it with...baseless name calling.

 

[KeithD]

Technically it's a fact, yes. But Trump himself has inadvertently admitted he did it - he was just too stupid to know there was anything wrong with it.

In any event, my point was (and still is) that her argument was well-supported by the facts, and the very people who routinely accuse us of baseless name calling responded to it with...baseless name calling.

Trump's big mouth confirmed his guilt, so there's no reason for others not to say he's guilty.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Donald Trump is guilty of attempting to extort a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections. He’s also guilty of attempting to engage that same government in a conspiracy to undermine U.S. intelligence and provide a clean bill of health to Vladimir Putin. Trump’s primary on-the-ground assistant in this effort was certainly Rudy Giuliani, but the transcripts have demonstrated that Trump had plenty of help right in the White House—particularly from acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was involved in everything from setting up alternative diplomatic teams to blocking the release of military assistance funds. The more has been learned, the bigger Mulvaney’s role appears.

Heading into the public hearing phase of the inquiry, the evidence against Trump is enormous, the consistency of the testimony is compelling, and a number of the witnesses are both figuratively and literally unimpeachable. Every appearance on Capitol Hill, every transcript released, every piece of information that has come out has only made the situation more certain, and more definitively worthy of impeachment.

Despite Republican claims, the transcripts show that there has not been a single witness whose testimony contained anything that looks like good news for Donald Trump—though there have been several witnesses, Sondland chief among them, whose testimony shows just how complicit they were in acts they believed to be illegal. Finding willing henchmen … is not a proof of innocence.

Trump would like to pretend that this entire process is restricted to a single “perfect” phone call. It’s not. Not only does that call contain every element of the unfolding scheme, it can only be understood in the context of a scandal that developed over months both before and after that call. Which is just what witness testimony has provided. All evidence. No exoneration.

Republicans have until Saturday to name any witnesses they would like to appear in the public phase of the inquiry. But unless those witnesses are Abraham Lincoln swearing to Trump’s honesty, and Hercule Poirot to unravel the plot and single out some other culprit, the Senate better start figuring out its hearing rules. Because Donald Trump is going to be impeached.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ore-than-just-one-phone-call?detail=emaildkre

First, to what election do you refer? The next presidential election is a year from now and the most recent previous one is three years ago. And Hunter Biden is not a candidate for anything that I know of.

Second, if the Biden family is conducting business in Ukraine, what's wrong with trying to get info on illegalities in that business?

Third, do you have any proof of an attempt to undermine US intelligence?

Fourth, Poirot and Lincoln are both dead.

Fifth, Foreign policy is the responsibility of the POTUS.

Sixth, none of this sounds like anything impeachable, and the Dems have to know this. Even if it goes through, the Senate will not convict.

Seventh, the Daily KOS is one of the most biased sites on the internet and I would believe nothing they say.

 

[JackLuis]

The one thing both sides seem to be missing is that the Impeachment is not instantaneous, but unfolds, like a flower blooming. We are now in the Inquirey Phase, which is completely controlled by Pelosi, Inc. So the Rethug's whining is just noise at this point.

Nancy and the Committees will parade witnesses for a few more months, if only to get the information of Trumpski's crimes spread across the nation in every outlet. Even the Rethuglican protestations will just reinforce the allegations in the minds of the Nation!

Next will come the Indictment of Impeachment, sure to be debated in the House, even though the Dems will write it. Hopefully before Xmas.

Then the Ball's in John Robert's hands as he presides over the Senate in the trial. Now the Rethugs will pull out all their fuckery. Will Roberts conduct a fair and legal trial, or will he be influenced to fuckery?

How will the Senate vote? The Dem's need 20 Republicans to convict Trump Inc. Are there that many patriotic Republicans unsullied by Trumpisim or Tea Party thuggery?

An interesting thought is the Senate could go for a Australian ballot, and not a roll call vote. How many Rethug would vote to impeach if they could and not be stigmatized for it? It would take Moscow Mitch to agree to such a secret ballot, but within his control to do so.

 

[KeithD]

The one thing both sides seem to be missing

What's this "both sides" you think are missing something? Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans (along with the board Trumpettes) are missing anything, I don't think. The Democrats are "let's get this rolling" (and I think they are seeing case presentation for no more than a couple of weeks--the case pretty much is laid out there already and has been admitted to) and the Republicans (and board Trumpettes) are into deflection and distraction. But that doesn't mean they are missing any understanding of what's going on and why.

What's happening now is necessary preliminary stuff that both needs to get into the historical record and that the Democrats hope, when laid out in the open, will increase the proportion numbers of public support for impeachment and removal. What's also happening is public tagging--for history and maybe for the courts--of those being stupid enough to stick with Trump and join him in his criminality now (Yes, I'm talking to you Niki Haley. I think you've screwed yourself royally--and unnecessarily--doll.)

 

[JackLuis]

It's Impeachment Hearing Eve!

With Republicans screaming and Democrats dreaming impeachment is near, it's the most wonderful time of the year.

 

[YDB95]

Seventh, the Daily KOS is one of the most biased sites on the internet and I would believe nothing they say.

Just because you don't agree with their politics doesn't mean things reported there aren't true. They have an excellent track record with respect to factual accuracy, and when they do get things wrong, they acknowledge the error and correct it.

 

[magicalmoments]

#195 above.
And you are one of the most biased trumpsters posting on this thread. I wouldn't believe a word you say.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Technically it's a fact, yes. But Trump himself has inadvertently admitted he did it - he was just too stupid to know there was anything wrong with it.

In any event, my point was (and still is) that her argument was well-supported by the facts, and the very people who routinely accuse us of baseless name calling responded to it with...baseless name calling.

And there you go again with the oped...

Nothing about this process was, is or ever will be a "fact". That's not a Yea Trump comment. That's a "courts don't deal with facts, but evidence" comment.

There are bits of evidence that the House will use to impeach and the Senate will use to (properly) toss the case.

 

[gunthernehmen]

The one thing both sides seem to be missing is that the Impeachment is not instantaneous, but unfolds, like a flower blooming. We are now in the Inquirey Phase, which is completely controlled by Pelosi, Inc. So the Rethug's whining is just noise at this point.

Nancy and the Committees will parade witnesses for a few more months, if only to get the information of Trumpski's crimes spread across the nation in every outlet.

You accidently put the finger on the reason this is happening at all despite the fact (sic) that both sides know perfectly well that there was nothing improper and certainly nothing impeachable done by Trump.

It's all a game to make the Senate trial happens during, or be fresh on the voters minds during next year's election.

This is not Pelosi trying to win Justice for the American people. You are being USED by her and her party as pawns to try to ensure a dem gets elected in 2020.