Climate continues to change.

[bhurry]

Where?

42 this morning. Maybe a little snow this weekend

 

[bhurry]

If you genuinely believe that people do not routinely shape information to make it appear to support their point of view you are a complete and utter moron.

Amen.

 

[thør]

Barrow thawing indices over time.

 

[bhurry]

where

42 this morning. Maybe a little snow this weekend

Wausau Wi. Check the weather forecast.

 

[Dribble]

It isnt easy getting data from an administration that doesnt believe in science...but ever wonder what the fastest growing industry is? Oh the naysayers will hate this...renewables, environmental and efficiency. It only grew 3x faster than all fossil fuel industries combined. In 2016, it generated 1.3 trillion in revenue and employed 9.5 million in the US alone (7.87 trillion worldwide). This is 10x the revenue of the US fossil fuel industry which was SUBSIDIZED 649 billion in 2015.

Why does this industry even exist if there is nothing real driving it? Lol.

And no...the US is not the leader in this industry...china is. Sad when you think about it.

 

[Dribble]

Barrow thawing indices over time.

Math time...how much of a percent increase is this since 1921?

 

[thør]

Math time...how much of a percent increase is this since 1921?

I'm just pitching out a little data. You're welcome to do the numbers. Remember, figures don't lie, but...

I also know that 1280°F•days thawing is a pretty toasty summer for Barrow.

 

[seeshelly]

Let's blame Trump for climate change!

Since the Russian hoax failed and the latest Adam Shifty hoax failed it is time to blame Trump for causing global warming. We need to dig up some kind of records and make some correlation that will frighten people into voting for socialist that can save the planet from Trump. I know that he was probably behind the extinction of all the animals that have ever gone extinct. All scientist agree that he is the cause.

Save the planet! Bash Trump!

 

[trysail]

Barrow thawing indices over time.

Unsolved climatological and meteorological issues in the Polar Regions

"...The urban heat-island effect in the Arctic deserves separate scrutiny to improve the quality of existing meteorological records. At the village of Barrow, Alaska, Hinkel et al. (2003) recently demonstrated the existence of a strong urban heat island during winter. During winter the urban area averaged 2.2 °C warmer than the hinterland. The strength of the local heat effect increased as the wind velocity decreased, reaching an average value of 3.2°C under calm (<2 m/s) conditions and maximum single-day magnitude of no less than 6°C. Barrow has grown from a size of about 300 residents in 1900 to more than 4600 in 2000..."​

-Ole Humlum, Ph.D.
http://www.climate4you.com/
​

​

 

[thør]

Unsolved climatological and meteorological issues in the Polar Regions

"...The urban heat-island effect in the Arctic deserves separate scrutiny to improve the quality of existing meteorological records. At the village of Barrow, Alaska, Hinkel et al. (2003) recently demonstrated the existence of a strong urban heat island during winter. During winter the urban area averaged 2.2 °C warmer than the hinterland. The strength of the local heat effect increased as the wind velocity decreased, reaching an average value of 3.2°C under calm (<2 m/s) conditions and maximum single-day magnitude of no less than 6°C. Barrow has grown from a size of about 300 residents in 1900 to more than 4600 in 2000..."​

-Ole Humlum, Ph.D.
http://www.climate4you.com/
​

​

I think you should sit down with a couple of beers and chat with my friends Ken, Fritz, and Anna (I don't know the Bell guy) about that. That paper is titled "The urban heat island in winter at Barrow, Alaska". Winter has very little effect on the Thawing Index.

 

[phrodeau]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/a...l-cities/be5a33ff-e2bc-44fd-80d8-068761b771a2

Hot air being dragged from northern Australia is set to reach southern states by tomorrow and the east coast later in the week.

The mercury will soar to 31C in Adelaide and up to an expected 36C on Thursday, while Melbourne will reach 33C by Thursday.

In Sydney, temperatures in the CBD will soar to 33C on Friday, but it will reach up to 37C in the city's western suburbs.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Oh, I don't know. Who wouldn't immediately trust a website called "climate4you.com" that quotes Albert Einstein on the home page.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Oh, I don't know. Who wouldn't immediately trust a website called "climate4you.com" that quotes Albert Einstein on the home page.

Also, I like how it takes its graphical design cues from 1996.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Oh, I don't know. Who wouldn't immediately trust a website called "climate4you.com" that quotes Albert Einstein on the home page.

Why does it look like all of the sites that he links are Geocities built sites found through Webcrawler?

 

[Hal9000_]

Once again...digging and pumping up carbon then burning it does nothing.

Billions if not trillions of tons over just a century.

Look away! Nothing to see here.

Mankind is insignificant to the whole of the Earth.

Humanity has had zero effect on anything!

 

[LupusDei]

Once again...digging and pumping up carbon then burning it does nothing.

Billions if not trillions of tons over just a century.

Look away! Nothing to see here.

Mankind is insignificant to the whole of the Earth.

Humanity has had zero effect on anything!

That's exactly the issue, they're still living in eighteen century at the latest, with no concept of the fact that we rather approach -- if aren't long exceed, but that's largely based on mean assumed lifestyle -- ecological limits of human population onboard our nice spacecraft Earth.

Overpopulation is no longer an issue though, education reduces the population growth to levels below replacement and global population will max out around nine billion, with should be acceptable. Unless everyone wants the lifestyle of late twenty century American that is, then we need five Earths at minimum (I recall theoretical max population at late twenty century technology was deemed 11 billion vegetarians), it may, and should get somewhat better as technology evolve, but will not fast enough. And as we know from ecology class, exceeding saturation limits brings rapid collapse (not necessarily extinction, but ecosystem barely able to sustain few hundred million globally, for example). No, we don't know the exact limits, it's guesswork, but that only makes it more scary. And no, we do not have any unmanaged wildlife left as it is, it's all basically preserves already.

 

[Hal9000_]

That's exactly the issue, they're still living in eighteen century at the latest, with no concept of the fact that we rather approach -- if aren't long exceed, but that's largely based on mean assumed lifestyle -- ecological limits of human population onboard our nice spacecraft Earth.

Overpopulation is no longer an issue though, education reduces the population growth to levels below replacement and global population will max out around nine billion, with should be acceptable. Unless everyone wants the lifestyle of late twenty century American that is, then we need five Earths at minimum (I recall theoretical max population at late twenty century technology was deemed 11 billion vegetarians), it may, and should get somewhat better as technology evolve, but will not fast enough. And as we know from ecology class, exceeding saturation limits brings rapid collapse (not necessarily extinction, but ecosystem barely able to sustain few hundred million globally, for example). No, we don't know the exact limits, it's guesswork, but that only makes it more scary. And no, we do not have any unmanaged wildlife left as it is, it's all basically preserves already.

Even with GMO agriculture. And livestock.

Regardless, I don't know the answers. I simply acknowledge basic science. "Nature" has taken eons to sequester carbon. We pump it up and burn it much faster than it gets reabsorbed. I don't know the consequences. But I realize there must be some.

 

[domroger]

Since the Russian hoax failed and the latest Adam Shifty hoax failed it is time to blame Trump for causing global warming. We need to dig up some kind of records and make some correlation that will frighten people into voting for socialist that can save the planet from Trump. I know that he was probably behind the extinction of all the animals that have ever gone extinct. All scientist agree that he is the cause.

Save the planet! Bash Trump!

Paranoid .

 

[gunthernehmen]

Once again...digging and pumping up carbon then burning it does nothing.

Billions if not trillions of tons over just a century.

Look away! Nothing to see here.

Mankind is insignificant to the whole of the Earth.

Humanity has had zero effect on anything!

Few dispute that climate changes.

I dispute that the maroons researching it have the slightest clue of what does cause it or even how to figure it out.

Certainly nobody (on EITHER side) has posted any real science on the subject. This entire thread is nothing more than a two sided circle jerk. One chain saying humans and nothing BUT humans causes it and the the side waffling between it's completely natural or not happening at all.

The really humorous part is, no matter why, everyone seems to think they can FIX it!

 

[trysail]

Do you really believe that Russian temperature records from, say, 1915-1950 are reliable?

You don't really expect a rational person to believe that people were making accurate daily observations all over Russia during the Revolution or during the Sieges of Stalingrad and Leningrad or in Ukraine during the famine or all over Siberia?



Do you honestly believe that Chinese temperature records from, say, 1913-1980 are reliable?

Do you really expect anybody to believe that accurate daily temperatures were recorded in China during the Revolution or "The Great Leap Forward?"



Do you seriously believe that Sub-Saharan African temperatures from, say 1850-1975 are accurate?

Please don't tell us you think accurate daily temperature recordings were made in Sub-Saharan Africa during any part of the 19th century and most of the 20th.



Do you really believe that oceanic temperatures from, say 1800-1970 are accurate? ( as we know, the oceans cover 70% of the earth’s surface).

Do you really believe there were accurate daily temperature observations made in the Bering Sea or the Weddell Sea or in the middle of the Pacific at any time before the advent of satellite observations in 1979?





Are you kidding me?


​

 

[Hal9000_]

So...is the Earth in a farther or nearer orbit from the Sun? In its natural cycle?

Is the Sun getting hotter? Is solar irradiance cyclical?

Is the atmosphere more dusty? Or allows more solar radiation to the surface?

Is there more or less heat reflection from the Earth surface?

All valid questions. And all that have been investigated.

What is the "unknown" variable?

 

[trysail]

So, you think global historic temperature records are reliable?


Here's how the temperature records for the oceans (70% of the earth's surface) were compiled. Even as recently as 1980, over 80% of ocean sea-surface temperatures were being measured by either buckets thrown overboard or engine room intakes. Do you honestly believe these methods were even remotely accurate? I don't. The notion that climate $cience has any idea whatsoever if current global temperatures are warmer or cooler than they were a mere 40 years ago is a joke.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/08/19/7507...re-the-oceans-the-answer-begins-with-a-bucket ​

Do you really think there were accurate daily temperature observations made in the Bering Sea or the Weddell Sea or in the middle of the Pacific at any time before the advent of satellite observations in 1979?

ERI= Engine Room Intake
Bucket= (literally) throwing a canvas bucket overboard (I swear to god I'm not making this up)

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/figure-2.png
Source: Hadley Centre, Climate Research Unit
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst3/part_1_figinline.pdf



They haven't got a frickin' clue whether global temperatures are warmer or not.



​

 

[bhurry]

So...is the Earth in a farther or nearer orbit from the Sun? In its natural cycle?

Is the Sun getting hotter? Is solar irradiance cyclical?

Is the atmosphere more dusty? Or allows more solar radiation to the surface?

Is there more or less heat reflection from the Earth surface?

All valid questions. And all that have been investigated.

What is the "unknown" variable?

Common sense. That's why its no good. It is what it is. Let them eat their veggies and read another comic book

 

[Hal9000_]

Exhibit "A" of natural climate variation:

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/sites/default/files/scald-image/350_chicxulub_map.png

Why is it generally accepted science that this asteroid impact caused an ice age and general worldwide species extinction?

Ice core samples? Fossil records?

Climate records come from many sources. Even tree rings.

 

[thør]

Exhibit "A" of natural climate variation:

Why is it generally accepted science that this asteroid impact caused an ice age and general worldwide species extinction?

Ice core samples? Fossil records?

Climate records come from many sources. Even tree rings.

Just give 'em the fucking video......