This is the base the GOP has already lost

[JKendallDane]

“It’s not that Orange County’s values have changed; it’s that the Republican party’s values have changed. And they’ve completely lost touch with reality and the vast majority of voters,” Rouda told me..."

That quote is from this Politico piece and is a great "two thumbs-up" read featuring Columbus, Ohio native, California Congressman Harley Rouda Jr.

Having known his father, Harley Senior very well back in the 1980's when we were both members of the Ohio Association of Realtors Leadership Team, his comments about the way he grew up are dead-on. The only real differences between our "upbringing and political history" is a six-year age difference and that I "ran away from home" ten years before he did.

Rouda is the perfect poster child for "This isn't...and hasn't been for a long time...your father's GOP anymore."

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[BotanyBoy]

Orange county is not the GOP base and largely irrelevant to Republicans.

Dumz can keep Orange county and their bubonic plague.....
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[JKendallDane]

Orange county is not the GOP base and largely irrelevant to Republicans.

You mean the Orange County district that Rouda yanked out from under 15 term GOP CongressCritter Dana Tyrone Rohrabacher?

You mean the Orange County that has been a virtual GOP stronghold in Presidential elections since 1940 (well until Hillary anyway)?

You mean the Orange County that is one of the wealthiest in both California and the country?

You mean the Orange County that had been flashing so red for so long that it could have been mounted on top of any firetruck built in the last 50 years?

You mean the Orange County that the RNC is already planning on dumping bazillions of dollars into to try to get it back?

THOSE "Orange Counties"?

Thanks for confessing that you didn't even attempt to read the article, BB. Guess you were too busy booking that Egyptian Denial cruise instead.

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[magicalmoments]

There's a suggestion above that the Republican Party has values!!!?
I was surprised to read this. I suspect it's an expression of what they would have the great unwashed believe rather than a statement of fact.
Republican values! That's quite funny really.

 

[YDB95]

Orange county is not the GOP base and largely irrelevant to Republicans.

It was the very epitome of "the GOP base" for decades. It only became "irrelevant to Republicans" when it was no longer enough to swing California to their column in presidential elections. And it's emblematic of what awaits Republicans in affluent suburbs everywhere if they continue their rightward drift.

 

[JKendallDane]

There's a suggestion above that the Republican Party has values!!!?

Republican values! That's quite funny really.

Well, to be fair, we should clarify the metamorphosis "Republican values" has gone through the last sixty years or so.

The GOP has always had "values" during that period. They just shifted every so often...like from Eisenhower "Leave It to Beaver" values, to Nixon "Archie Bunker~All in the Family" values, to Jerry Ford "Brady Bunch~blended families" values, to Saint Ronnie and Bush41 "Dallas & Dynasty" values, to Bush43 "Bevis & Butthead" values, and finally to the present 45* era of "Lucifer" values.

I'm not sure if that's "Art imitating life" or "Life imitating art" but it sure fits in either case.

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[BotanyBoy]

It was the very epitome of "the GOP base" for decades. It only became "irrelevant to Republicans" when it was no longer enough to swing California to their column in presidential elections. And it's emblematic of what awaits Republicans in affluent suburbs everywhere if they continue their rightward drift.

Just because the left made a hard left, doesn't mean the right has gone right even though from a radical lefty perspective it might seem so.

The right is still saying the same shit they always have, socially they've drifted left a bit.

And no it's not emblematic of what awaits Republicans in affluent suburbs, because the opposition is so radically far left those affluent folks just aren't going to hand over all their shit to be made poor by force of the state.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You mean the Orange County district that Rouda yanked out from under 15 term GOP CongressCritter Dana Tyrone Rohrabacher?

You mean the Orange County that has been a virtual GOP stronghold in Presidential elections since 1940 (well until Hillary anyway)?

You mean the Orange County that is one of the wealthiest in both California and the country?

You mean the Orange County that had been flashing so red for so long that it could have been mounted on top of any firetruck built in the last 50 years?

You mean the Orange County that the RNC is already planning on dumping bazillions of dollars into to try to get it back?

THOSE "Orange Counties"?

Thanks for confessing that you didn't even attempt to read the article, BB. Guess you were too busy booking that Egyptian Denial cruise instead.

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It's only relevant to the totally irrelevant and powerless republicans INSIDE California. The rest of the country has written the state off as a hive of socialist degenerates.

BTW the wealthy are FLEEING the dumpster fire that is California....at an accelerated rate.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Really? Well you better get out there and spread the message quick. Trump is single handedly turning deep red into purple and the burbs Democrat. I don't think they know about this socialist take over. Someone's got to tell them!

And no it's not emblematic of what awaits Republicans in affluent suburbs, because the opposition is so radically far left those affluent folks just aren't going to hand over all their shit to be made poor by force of the state.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Really?

Really.

Well you better get out there and spread the message quick.

Don't have to, business and industry leaders are already doing it.

Trump is single handedly turning deep red into purple and the burbs Democrat.

Only in the minds of lefties who think CA/NY are all there is to the USA.

I don't think they know about this socialist take over. Someone's got to tell them!

Again, they do...that's why big money has already come out and told (D)'s if they run one of their socialist Trump will be getting their money.

 

[Adre]

And no it's not emblematic of what awaits Republicans in affluent suburbs, because the opposition is so radically far left those affluent folks just aren't going to hand over all their shit to be made poor by force of the state.

2018 said otherwise, in PA, MI, and WI, which all did an about face from 2016. Rant all you like, facts are facts.

 

[BotanyBoy]

2018 said otherwise, in PA, MI, and WI, which all did an about face from 2016. Rant all you like, facts are facts.

You mean that underwhelming pullback that SHOULD have swept the House and Senate but totally didn't happen?

Yeaaaaa that's a bit short of hard confirmation purple flyover states have embraced the socialism the comrades of (D) are pushing.

But we're going to find out!!!!

But I'm betting purple flyover country doesn't want the god state totally imploding the economy, takeing all their shit and giving it to illegal migrants like you and the (D)'s are dreaming of doing.

 

[JKendallDane]

BotanyBoy... please, please, PLEASE...

...for the sake of all of us in this forum, show some mercy on ALL of us and TURN OFF that wall of bullshit personal attacks your signature line has recently morphed into.

This isn't the damn GB, so at least have the decency to turn it off on posts here in the political forum.

PLEASE!

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[JKendallDane]

It's only relevant to the totally irrelevant and powerless republicans INSIDE California. The rest of the country has written the state off as a hive of socialist degenerates.

If you say so, BB. <shrug>

Of course that "rationale" of yours still doesn't address the fact that the RNC and the NRCC have both already publicly declared they will "break the bank" if they have to with spending to try to claw back even one or two of the congressional district loss spankings they suffered in the California wipe-out of last year.

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[YDB95]

Not to mention California was the vanguard of the New Right back in the '60s and '70s. So it stands to reason that the much more progressive politics that hold sway there now can be expected to spread elsewhere...

 

[JKendallDane]

Not to mention California was the vanguard of the New Right back in the '60s and '70s. So it stands to reason that the much more progressive politics that hold sway there now can be expected to spread elsewhere...

The right is depending on places like SE Ohio and 95% of West Virginia and the backwoods of Kentucky, and Al~lee~YEE HAW~bam~her, etc...basically places where they are still bitching about "That one time they showed a toilet on 'Leave it to Beaver' in 1957 and society started goin' to hell"...to keep 45* in the White House.

Until we somehow drag them kicking and screaming at least into the 1990's, the extra loud ones will keep yelling about how they "outnumber those evil damn socialist lefty libs by bazillions" and blaming everybody BUT the dipsticks they keep voting for, for all their problems.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not to mention California was the vanguard of the New Right back in the '60s and '70s. So it stands to reason that the much more progressive politics that hold sway there now can be expected to spread elsewhere...

All the data says, it's not....most of us don't want poop covered streets and rampant poverty.

The right is depending on places like SE Ohio and 95% of West Virginia and the backwoods of Kentucky, and Al~lee~YEE HAW~bam~her, etc...basically places where they are still bitching about "That one time they showed a toilet on 'Leave it to Beaver' in 1957 and society started goin' to hell"...to keep 45* in the White House.

Until we somehow drag them kicking and screaming at least into the 1990's, the extra loud ones will keep yelling about how they "outnumber those evil damn socialist lefty libs by bazillions" and blaming everybody BUT the dipsticks they keep voting for, for all their problems.

They aren't blaming anyone....they just want you control freak socialist (you're not a liberal of any kind) to fuck off and mind your own bidnizz.

We don't want you taking all our shit and giving it to illegal migrants.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Orange county is not the GOP base and largely irrelevant to Republicans.

^^^^Delusional.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

One thing that you can take to the bank. If Botany Bay Boy thinks that it's raining, expect a drought. And if he says that it's dry, take your umbrella. He lives in his own permanent bizarro world, where everything is exactly opposite of reality.

 

[JKendallDane]

They aren't blaming anyone....they just want you control freak socialist (you're not a liberal of any kind) to fuck off and mind your own bidnizz.

We don't want you taking all our shit and giving it to illegal migrants.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Um, maybe because all that is delusional bullshit?


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And you are STILL making posts with your INSANE sig line CRAP included!!!

Turn it OFF!

Thank you in advance for doing that and showing a minimal modicum of respect for everyone here.

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[YDB95]

And you are STILL making posts with your INSANE sig line CRAP included!!!

Turn it OFF!

Thank you in advance for doing that and showing a minimal modicum of respect for everyone here.

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Surely you see this is only encouraging him?

 

[BotanyBoy]

^^^^Delusional.

How so Rob?

Tell us why RINO county in a state that offers nothing but contempt for anyone to the right of Mao is a critical core base of Trumps support.

As opposed to ya know, counties in one of the purple states that's actually in play.

It's ok, we all know you can't.

Reality check: the OC only matters to Sacramento.

Republicans at the national level should avoid California, land of poop, junkies and homelessness like the fucking plague....because plague...literally.

Um, maybe because all that is delusional bullshit?

So you're saying (D)'s don't want to raise taxes in a hyper progressive manner??

AOC doesn't want 70% tax?

Nobody in the DNC supported her Green New Deal?

They aren't advocating forced collectivism across several proposals??

Maxine Waters didn't express her desire to nationalize the energy market??

Bernie didn't proclaim billionaires shouldn't exist??

They didn't just promise to nationalize the HC industry to provide HC for illegal migrants on national TV??

Have you not listened to anything they've said or looked into their congressional history? Or are you just willfully ignoring it??

 

[magicalmoments]

I could probably Google this but I'd prefer an unbiased educational lecture from dump
How do USA political parties promulgate their approved election policies, especially in respect to national issues? Is such solely the prerogative of the presidential candidate and he hopes his party candidates get a majority in the Houses of Representatives so he can ease the passage of necessary changes through the system. Do the congressional/senate candidates just hope to ride through on the coat tail of the presidential candidates?
I would have thought each party would issue a "manifesto" that details their proposed programme of policies on topics like justice, immigration, tax, military, education, energy, environment, health, labor, etc and the candidates would all sign up to this and the people would vote for the programme that suited them best.
As I say, genuine interest.

 

[JKendallDane]

Surely you see this is only encouraging him?

Yeah, it most likely is, YDB.

I'll just go to Plan B and scroll past them 90% of the time.It's not like he ever presents any real debate or discussion anyway, so what am I gonna miss? <shrug>

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[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, it most likely is, YDB.

I'll just go to Plan B and scroll past them 90% of the time.It's not like he ever presents any real debate or discussion anyway, so what am I gonna miss? <shrug>

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Run run run away.....because you can't refute any of it.