Burn The Bitch mafia

[Grendelpuppy]

I am frustrated by how the Loving Wives genre has become dominated by the Burn The Bitch mafia. While there have been some exceptions that focused on intramarital sex, from the inception of Literorica the vast majority of Loving Wives stories have focused on female infidelity. Dveryone understood this.

Now we have this totalitarian clique that prowls Literotica to harshly criticize any story that eroticizes female infidelity and downvote the stories. I can understand rating a story on its literary merits but systematically attacking authors because you do not like the genre is ludicrous. It is comparable to me prowling the Gay Male, Lesbian, Non Consent, Anal or Incest genres to castigate them because I dislike the entire genre.

 

[SimonDoom]

I am frustrated by how the Loving Wives genre has become dominated by the Burn The Bitch mafia. While there have been some exceptions that focused on intramarital sex, from the inception of Literorica the vast majority of Loving Wives stories have focused on female infidelity. Dveryone understood this.

Now we have this totalitarian clique that prowls Literotica to harshly criticize any story that eroticizes female infidelity and downvote the stories. I can understand rating a story on its literary merits but systematically attacking authors because you do not like the genre is ludicrous. It is comparable to me prowling the Gay Male, Lesbian, Non Consent, Anal or Incest genres to castigate them because I dislike the entire genre.

Join the chorus. You and all other sensible people say the same thing. Many proposals have been made to deal with this problem, and I'm not sure any of them will work.

My suggestion, if you want to avoid these creatures, is to publish your story to another category. I have posted "hot wife"-type stories to the Exhibitionist and Voyeur category with some success and have managed to avoid most of the BTB crowd (but not all of them).

The downside is that E&V does not get quite as many viewers as does Loving Wives, which is the second-most viewed category on this site.

 

[KeithD]

It is comparable to me prowling the Gay Male, Lesbian, Non Consent, Anal or Incest genres to castigate them because I dislike the entire genre.

Which is done, so it's not an issue only affecting Loving Wives.

 

[oggbashan]

Which is done, so it's not an issue only affecting Loving Wives.

It affects Fetish as well. I don't like Fetish so I'll leave a derogatory comment and a 1 vote - as Anon of course!

 

[LucilleCF]

I think it adds character to the site.

But seriously, what can we do? It just the nature of that audience. I get as much hate as I do love when I post in loving wives. They seem really divided over there.

I get extra hate because my 'loving wife' is cheating with a woman. The response was a surprise at first, but now it's just funny.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Meh. There are two areas here which are broken, IMHO. LW is one of them and absent some sea-change in how Laurel runs the site, I cannot see any hope for change. (In fairness, it would take a monumental effort to mend LW.) That’s fine by me; there are lots of other places here suitable for my tastes. There are areas of my town I stay out of, too.

 

[ElectricBlue]

LW is what LW is, and isn't going to change. As Simon says, use another category.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Meh. There are two areas here which are broken, IMHO. LW is one of them and absent some sea-change in how Laurel runs the site, I cannot see any hope for change. (In fairness, it would take a monumental effort to mend LW.) That’s fine by me; there are lots of other places here suitable for my tastes. There are areas of my town I stay out of, too.

Just out of curiosity, which other area here do you feel like is broken?

 

[KeithD]

I think a large part of the snarling in Loving Wives is that there are writers dropping stories there with the primary purpose of poking the stick at the snarlers. They do so, and the resultant snarling covers other stories as well that weren't posted there to play the trolls.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Just out of curiosity, which other area here do you feel like is broken?

The General Board. It has all the social dynamics of a nursery school recess. With clubs. Heinlein once postulated that one of the symptoms of dying society is a lack of manners. I hope he wasn't right.

Not my worry, in any case. My write story, my get trolled, my get swept - life's good in my neighborhood. What happens waaay over there is not my problem.

 

[SimonDoom]

Something to keep in mind about Loving Wives is this. Many nasty readers lurk there, willing and eager to bomb your story if it concerns wives having sex out of wedlock and getting away with it. Your score will suffer. At the same time, many LW readers, and probably a majority of LW readers, enjoy those stories. So if you are willing to suffer a little comment abuse and to put up with a score that probably will be lower than it would be if the story were published in another category, you'll probably have more appreciative readers by publishing your hot wife story in LW than elsewhere. It's a good place to publish your story if you have a thick skin.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

The General Board. It has all the social dynamics of a nursery school recess. With clubs. Heinlein once postulated that one of the symptoms of dying society is a lack of manners. I hope he wasn't right.

Not my worry, in any case. My write story, my get trolled, my get swept - life's good in my neighborhood. What happens waaay over there is not my problem.

Ah. I don't think I've looked at the General Board for more than a second or two. I had assumed you were referring to another category of stories.

 

[Inkhorn]

The General Board is scary. I just avoid it.

As for LW? I enjoy the genre as a whole. A number of those folks who comment on such stories, however, seem rather frenzied in their opinions. I’m working on a Loving Wives/Cheating Wife story right now, and I’m a little anxious over how it’s going to be received.

 

[Hypoxia]

LIT authors can readily grok the proclivities of certain categories' audiences. Yes, we know LW attracts damaged, vicious fucktards. But authors have an easy out: post incendiary stuff to LW under an .alt to attract one-bombs whilst we innocently write of cheaters in IR, Incest, BDSM, or SciFi.

Also consider that the LIT site, old warts and all, is as it is because the owner Laurel LIKES it this way. Maybe the BtB mafia amuses her. It's like the old un-PC joke: "Hire the handicapped; they're fun to watch."

 

[Zeb_Carter]

LW is what LW is, and isn't going to change. As Simon says, use another category.

Tried that with my latest work, Laurel put it in LW when I submitted it to EC. So the rest are going to go in LW as well. It's a multi-part story.

So far I haven't gotten any real nasty comments, but my scores reflect 1-bomb city.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Tried that with my latest work, Laurel put it in LW when I submitted it to EC. So the rest are going to go in LW as well. It's a multi-part story.

So far I haven't gotten any real nasty comments, but my scores reflect 1-bomb city.

Did you quiz her on the category change, or is it really LW content?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Did you quiz her on the category change, or is it really LW content?

No, no quiz. And yes, it has LW content, but I should have put it in Group instead as there are twelve couples involved.

 

[SimonDoom]

The General Board is scary. I just avoid it.

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The worst and stinkiest cesspools are the General Board and the Politics Board. I don't understand people who go to porn sites to talk politics. It's all "You're a fucktard" "No you're a fucktard", but there's no fucking going on.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Tried that with my latest work, Laurel put it in LW when I submitted it to EC. So the rest are going to go in LW as well. It's a multi-part story.

So far I haven't gotten any real nasty comments, but my scores reflect 1-bomb city.

If you're submitting a chaptered story, is it generally expected that all the chapters go in the same category? I understand why you'd want that in order to maximize views and engagement. But what about correctly categorizing the chapter so the reader knows what to expect? Let's say you have a 10 chapter story, and most of it fits EC, but there's one chapter that's all group sex, and another chapter that's (for argument's sake) NonCon. It's it preferrable to put the outlier chapters in their appropriate categories, or better to keep them in the same category? With a content alert at the top, or something?

The worst and stinkiest cesspools are the General Board and the Politics Board. I don't understand people who go to porn sites to talk politics. It's all "You're a fucktard" "No you're a fucktard", but there's no fucking going on.

Srsly. If you want to go argue about politics, there are plenty of cesspool political sites to do that at, and also a fair number of places to have a decent, respectful argument. But maybe it's the same mindset as people who read stories about fetishes they don't like, and then downvote the story because they don't like the fetish.

 

[Inkhorn]

The worst and stinkiest cesspools are the General Board and the Politics Board. I don't understand people who go to porn sites to talk politics. It's all "You're a fucktard" "No you're a fucktard", but there's no fucking going on.

*quietly notes where else not to go*

So far, I’ve pretty much stuck with Authors’ Hangout and Story Feedback (with an occasional dip over into BDSM when I want to depress myself.) The conversations have seemed intelligent and rational. If I get into poetry, I’ll probably delve into those boards, too.

 

[ElectricBlue]

No, no quiz. And yes, it has LW content, but I should have put it in Group instead as there are twelve couples involved.

Lol. I guess it's been up too long to ask for another category change? Group seems... a rather more obvious choice.

 

[ElectricBlue]

...or better to keep them in the same category? With a content alert at the top, or something?

Generally speaking, this. Category cohorts are so very different in their likes and dislikes, that if you chop and change you're more likely to trigger a wider set of dislikes. Whereas if you start a story in one category, and readers start to engage with your characters, you're less likely to trigger an adverse reaction if you introduce a bit of a wander.

Having said that, if you plan a major excursion off into another kink entirely, and you know in advance your starting cohort aren't keen on it, you could do what I intend to do with a Part 3 - put a notice at the end of the previous chapter, saying where you going and why. That way, those who want to keep going and can handle the heebie jeebies can look out for it, and you also target the next kink. This only works, though, if each episode is pretty much self-contained and kink-specific. If you've got an overall story arc, you'll just confuse the kittens.

 

[ElectricBlue]

The worst and stinkiest cesspools are the General Board and the Politics Board. I don't understand people who go to porn sites to talk politics. It's all "You're a fucktard" "No you're a fucktard", but there's no fucking going on.

What continues to astonish me is the number of people who seem to be fairly intelligent here, but go there and reduce their IQ to their shoe size, then come back here expecting bigger shoes. If you're a clown in one circus, aren't you always a clown?

 

[Bebop3]

There is no getting around the fact that LW is a cesspool. It's simply a fact of life that the category is patrolled by the walking wounded. There are a lot of emotionally damaged men out there who find insanely over the top BTB stories to be therapeutic.

A partial solution for writers who are posting cuckold, humiliation or unrepentant cheating stories is to provide a quick blurb at the opening explaining that the story might not appeal to all. Some authors have done that and I appreciate the heads up and move on.

There are a few things missing from this discussion, however. First, the majority of the stories published in LW are just bad. They are poorly thought out and ineptly executed.

Second, some authors use LW when their stories belong elsewhere. For example, if your story is a racist screed with no redeeming qualities, don't post it anywhere, but if you have to, post it in IR.

Third, I firmly believe that the amount of stories posted in LW to 'stir people up' is vastly overestimated. It seems much more likely that the author is saving face after having their story bomb.

 

[Inkhorn]

I have to wonder if LW has become a sort of dumping ground. It looks to be the 4th largest genre here, but the definition of “loving wives” seems a bit broad. There’s a great deal of difference (to me anyway) between willing cuckolds, cheating wives, swinging wives, and humiliation non-con. Yet they’re all just sort of lumped in there.

And where’s the loving/cheating husband (partner) stories at? Or is this predominantly a “male” (with apologies to the non-binary among us) driven sort of genre?